Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

pnwmom

(109,021 posts)
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:34 PM Dec 2016

BREAKING: Search warrant used to obtain Clinton emails during Weiner probe unsealed

Source: LawNewz

The Department of Justice on Tuesday released portions of search warrant obtained by the Federal Bureau of Investigation after its agents found emails pertinent to the Hillary Clinton investigation during the Bureaus Anthony Weiner probe. We are currently going through the warrant, and have posted a copy below. We will update this article as we find more details out from the warrant.

As LawNewz.com reported on Monday, a federal judge ordered the release of the materials after high-profile, Los Angeles attorney E. Randol Schoenberg filed a Freedom of Information Act the demanded the release of the materials.

At the heart of the case was whether Clinton has a privacy interest considering she was never charged with a crime. On that matter, the judge found, Clinton had little remaining privacy interest in the release of documents identifying her as the subject of the investigation because Director FBI Director James Comey held a public press conference this summer and Clinton herself spoke about the case.



Read more: http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/breaking-search-warrant-unsealed-that-was-used-to-obtain-clinton-emails-during-weiner-probe/



There is a link to the 21 page warrant.

The attorney who filed the lawsuit is named E. Randol Schoenberg. This is his comment on his public Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/randols?frefts

"I see nothing at all in the search warrant application that would give rise to probable cause, nothing that would make anyone suspect that there was anything on the laptop beyond what the FBI had already searched and determined not to be evidence of a crime, nothing to suggest that there would be anything other than routine correspondence between Secretary Clinton and her longtime aide Huma Abedin.

"You will have to ask Judge Fox, or the agent in charge (whose name has been redacted), or Director Comey, why they thought they might find evidence of a crime, why they felt it necessary to inform Congress, and why they even sought this search warrant.

"I am appalled."

_____________________

And this is a piece from the WA Post on October 30 that discusses the legal issues involved.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/10/30/was-it-legal-for-the-fbi-to-expand-the-weiner-email-search-to-target-hillary-clintons-emails/?utm_term.d0e847a5b7eb

A second issue is whether the FBI was permitted to seize the Abedin emails, which were outside the scope of the warrant, and to use them to reopen the investigation into Clintons email server. I think this is the bigger legal issue for the FBI. Most courts have treated this as a matter of the plain view exception. If the government is searching a computer, and it comes across files that are outside its warrant but are clear evidence of second unrelated crime, the usual government practice is to take those files and use them to get a second warrant to search the computer for the second crime. Thats what the FBI appears to be doing here. They are getting a second warrant after discovering Abedins emails because what was likely a first warrant for Weiners emails wouldnt justify the second and broader search. See, e.g., United States v. Carey, 172 F.3d 1268 (10th Cir. 1999).

But if thats true, theres a problem: The plain view exception does not allow evidence to be seized outside a warrant unless it is immediately apparent upon viewing it that it is evidence of another crime. Just looking quickly at the new evidence, there needs to be probable cause that it is evidence of a second crime to justify its seizure, which would presumably be necessary to apply for the second warrant. See Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321 (1987); United States v. Williams, 592 F. 3d 511, 522 (4th Cir. 2010).

______________________________

So, in other words, even though they found nothing prosecutable in the searches that ended in the summer, they asked the judge to let them do another search of another device, just in case. And he said okay.
44 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
BREAKING: Search warrant used to obtain Clinton emails during Weiner probe unsealed (Original Post) pnwmom Dec 2016 OP
Thanks for keeping this story updated. lamp_shade Dec 2016 #1
And what will come of this? progressoid Dec 2016 #2
Comey is dead meat. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #3
Comey is a democracy-hating piece of shit. Ilsa Dec 2016 #14
...By Vlad (the Impaler) lastlib Dec 2016 #42
i wish obama would fire him. who cares about charges of retaliation now? mopinko Dec 2016 #26
I doubt if he is dead met. Since he is partially responsible along with the totodeinhere Dec 2016 #35
It's Christmas and the holidays. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #39
And the warrant is dated October 30, two days after Comey's letter to Congress. deminks Dec 2016 #4
Huma Abedin said they were not served a warrant. ananda Dec 2016 #6
I have always believed... atreides1 Dec 2016 #13
You must be reading my mind. Loki Dec 2016 #27
They wouldn't need to "serve" a warrant if they already had the laptop FBaggins Dec 2016 #24
That Comey letter (falsely) implied evidence appeared that Hillary plainly committed a crime. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #8
So many already mistrusted her that Comey's letter just sealed the deal. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #15
People mistrusted her because of crap like this over 20 years. yardwork Dec 2016 #21
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #37
You're blaming the victim. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #38
I am appalled as well, Mr. Schoenberg. Thank you for exposing this. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #5
makes me want to cry. barbtries Dec 2016 #7
Perhaps someone has leverage on him. Wonder what HIS emails contain. Thor_MN Dec 2016 #11
I think someone should investigate. Can the Clintons sue Ilsa Dec 2016 #16
i really do wonder. barbtries Dec 2016 #32
Clear abuse of power. Miscarriage of justice. littlemissmartypants Dec 2016 #9
The fascist-elect is an abuse of power! RiverStone Dec 2016 #18
We need to find out who the investigating agent is? Historic NY Dec 2016 #10
How would they know there was clear evidence of a second unrelated crime unless they read it? LiberalFighter Dec 2016 #12
Schoenberg wanted to know if there WAS some other evidence -- pnwmom Dec 2016 #17
Crucified OKNancy Dec 2016 #19
Agreed, and the destruction they caused us visited on us all. yardwork Dec 2016 #22
+1 joshcryer Dec 2016 #30
It's true. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2016 #33
What does it matter? briv1016 Dec 2016 #20
The Republicans are cheering him on. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2016 #34
I seriously doubt if Trump's Justice Department will go after the man who won the totodeinhere Dec 2016 #36
Kick lamp_shade Dec 2016 #23
Don't you love how they played this? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #25
It was just a blatant abuse of power on Comey's part as a GOP operative. world wide wally Dec 2016 #28
republicans knew, they could get weiner sexting again. After a few months use him to get to Hillary. Sunlei Dec 2016 #29
"asked the judge to let them do another search of another device, just in case. And he said okay" NWCorona Dec 2016 #31
We the people MyNameGoesHere Dec 2016 #40
I do not want to ever fucking hear that Hillary "lost" because "messaging" and "unlikeable" ehrnst Dec 2016 #41
this should be a lesson to Dems: stop "reaching across the aisle" for important appointments yurbud Dec 2016 #43
It's essentially the same as letting Wall St pick it's own regulators or putting Jeffrey Dahmer in yurbud Dec 2016 #44

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. Comey is dead meat.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:53 PM
Dec 2016

There ain't a damn thing there indicating any substantive change in the status of the FBI investigation of possible emails and the original conclusion - not for a candidate eleven days out from a national election.

mopinko

(70,295 posts)
26. i wish obama would fire him. who cares about charges of retaliation now?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:55 PM
Dec 2016

fire the sob, install someone in their right minds, and cheeto is stuck w him.
find some honey badger, and put him/her in charge. we will need one.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
35. I doubt if he is dead met. Since he is partially responsible along with the
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:09 PM
Dec 2016

Russians for enabling Trump's Electoral College victory I doubt very seriously that Trump will take any action against him. And Trump's Justice Department won't go after him either.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
39. It's Christmas and the holidays.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:43 PM
Dec 2016

In January, the shit gets serious.

I expect Comey will not survive until the 21st.

Obama will be gone, Lynch will be gone - Comey gets to stay? No way!

deminks

(11,022 posts)
4. And the warrant is dated October 30, two days after Comey's letter to Congress.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:54 PM
Dec 2016

We knew that when it happened, but it has always stuck in the back of my mind, like the warrant was an afterthought. I don't know if that means anything, but it didn't seem right to me.

atreides1

(16,103 posts)
13. I have always believed...
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:39 PM
Dec 2016

...that Robert Hanssan wasn't the only Russian contact in the FBI! If he was that good of an asset, why would the Russians leave him out in the cold...unless they already had other assets within of the FBI?

And now it was time for those senior agents to give something back to Mother Russia...just a theory!

Loki

(3,825 posts)
27. You must be reading my mind.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:58 PM
Dec 2016

Robert Hanssen was the first thing I thought about when Comey did his little GOPutin gift giving just days before the election. People say he has always been so concerned about his reputation. Let's make sure that overtime we post something on any board or twitter, the remind him "he's done".

FBaggins

(26,783 posts)
24. They wouldn't need to "serve" a warrant if they already had the laptop
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:38 PM
Dec 2016

For illustration, imagine that police get a warrant to search your home for illegal gummy bears. If you're home, then you can insist that they show you the warrant... but if you aren't home, they don't need to wait for you. They have the court's permission to search.

SunSeeker

(51,782 posts)
8. That Comey letter (falsely) implied evidence appeared that Hillary plainly committed a crime.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:17 PM
Dec 2016

That is why the Comey letter was so devastating.

As noted in the OP:

A second issue is whether the FBI was permitted to seize the Abedin emails, which were outside the scope of the warrant, and to use them to reopen the investigation into Clinton’s email server. I think this is the bigger legal issue for the FBI. Most courts have treated this as a matter of the “plain view” exception. If the government is searching a computer, and it comes across files that are outside its warrant but are clear evidence of second unrelated crime, the usual government practice is to take those files and use them to get a second warrant to search the computer for the second crime. That’s what the FBI appears to be doing here. They are getting a second warrant after discovering Abedin’s emails because what was likely a first warrant for Weiner’s emails wouldn’t justify the second and broader search. See, e.g., United States v. Carey, 172 F.3d 1268 (10th Cir. 1999).

But if that’s true, there’s a problem: The plain view exception does not allow evidence to be seized outside a warrant unless it is “immediately apparent” upon viewing it that it is evidence of another crime. Just looking quickly at the new evidence, there needs to be probable cause that it is evidence of a second crime to justify its seizure, which would presumably be necessary to apply for the second warrant. See Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321 (1987); United States v. Williams, 592 F. 3d 511, 522 (4th Cir. 2010).


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/10/30/was-it-legal-for-the-fbi-to-expand-the-weiner-email-search-to-target-hillary-clintons-emails/?utm_term.d0e847a5b7eb

That unsealed search warrant shows the FBI had no such "clear evidence of a second unrelated crime." In fact, they had nothing at all, let alone "clear evidence." In doing the search pursuant to their first (Weiner laptop) search warrant, it is now obvious the FBI did not come across any evidence of a "second, unrelated crime" by Hillary or anyone else. The fact that the FBI was nonetheless issued that second search warrant based on no evidence of a crime is truly stunning.

TonyPDX

(962 posts)
15. So many already mistrusted her that Comey's letter just sealed the deal.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:44 PM
Dec 2016

Sorry. I worked my ass off for her.

yardwork

(61,748 posts)
21. People mistrusted her because of crap like this over 20 years.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:13 PM
Dec 2016

Any person who gave credence to these vague accusations and innuendo helped Trump buy the White House. It's as simple as that. Anybody who repeated rumors and innuendo about the Clintons helped destroy our nation. Period.

SunSeeker

(51,782 posts)
38. You're blaming the victim.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:24 PM
Dec 2016

Hillary was a victim of 40 years of baseless smears. The people who mistrusted were suckered by anti-Clinton propaganda.

barbtries

(28,817 posts)
7. makes me want to cry.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:06 PM
Dec 2016

it seems i recall that once upon a time Comey's morality seemed unimpeachable. what happened to him?

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
11. Perhaps someone has leverage on him. Wonder what HIS emails contain.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:25 PM
Dec 2016

He would be a target of Russian hackers just by nature of his position.

barbtries

(28,817 posts)
32. i really do wonder.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 06:49 PM
Dec 2016

because his reputation is shot clean through as far as i'm concerned.
i feel like there may have been a mutiny of sorts within the FBI but will probably never know the true or whole story.

littlemissmartypants

(22,850 posts)
9. Clear abuse of power. Miscarriage of justice.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:18 PM
Dec 2016

I'll wait while they try to bury the "fetal remains" of their contemptible idiocy.

RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
18. The fascist-elect is an abuse of power!
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:04 PM
Dec 2016

And there is NO justice!

This would be hard enough if we felt the election loss was fair, though now we gotta live with knowing a number of factors (Comey included) unfairly affected the outcome... with potentially catastrophic results.

Historic NY

(37,457 posts)
10. We need to find out who the investigating agent is?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:22 PM
Dec 2016

Why is it such a secret on a publicly filed document with the court signed and sworn too. There must be another copy out there.

http://schoenberg.com/Clinton/search%20warrant.pdf

LiberalFighter

(51,263 posts)
12. How would they know there was clear evidence of a second unrelated crime unless they read it?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:39 PM
Dec 2016

And if there wasn't anything to indicate a second unrelated crime in the email where was the clear evidence?

pnwmom

(109,021 posts)
17. Schoenberg wanted to know if there WAS some other evidence --
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:48 PM
Dec 2016

like an affadavit or something.

There wasn't.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
19. Crucified
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:06 PM
Dec 2016

That's the word that comes to mind. Second definition -
2. to treat with gross injustice; persecute; torment; torture.

She was crucified by the media, the FBI, the GOP ( including Congress) and some on the left.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,874 posts)
33. It's true.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:08 PM
Dec 2016

She was treated horribly and it was all done to her on purpose.

I have lost all faith on our system. It is rigged and in a most terrible way.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
20. What does it matter?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:10 PM
Dec 2016

On the off chance that Comney or anyone else is charged for this, they'll disappear. Can't risk them cutting a deal or going public.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
36. I seriously doubt if Trump's Justice Department will go after the man who won the
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:11 PM
Dec 2016

election for Trump.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. Don't you love how they played this?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:54 PM
Dec 2016

The RW media demands a public response and when she makes one the RW courts claim she surrendered her right to privacy.

world wide wally

(21,758 posts)
28. It was just a blatant abuse of power on Comey's part as a GOP operative.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:24 PM
Dec 2016

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with any FBI investigation

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
29. republicans knew, they could get weiner sexting again. After a few months use him to get to Hillary.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:33 PM
Dec 2016

Republicans probably had access to his laptop for years.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
31. "asked the judge to let them do another search of another device, just in case. And he said okay"
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 06:27 PM
Dec 2016

Then released a letter to Congress in the 11th hr knowing full well what that would do.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
40. We the people
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:15 PM
Dec 2016

Need to March into Fri headquarters, arrest Comey, from March him to the national mall, try him conspiracy to overthrow the electoral process, sentence to be carried out immediately.

However the chains of the electoral vote keeps us rabble in check. Por ahora.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
44. It's essentially the same as letting Wall St pick it's own regulators or putting Jeffrey Dahmer in
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 01:05 PM
Dec 2016

charge of the Serial Killer task force.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»BREAKING: Search warrant ...