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[PoindexterOglethorpe]

1. Republicans, or Democrats, or Green Party members,

are not members of protected groups.

So yep, the restaurant can refuse to serve them.

[cstanleytech]

7. True but unless someone proclaims they voted for Trump or has pro Trump sticker on their vehicle I

see it being a difficult policy for the business to enforce.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

12. Right, but that's probably not the point.

He's making it clear who he stands with. And whose business he wants.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Love it... I stand with him!

[brush]

13. I despise trump but this a public place and the owner cannot deny service.

Just as we would be in an uproar over "no blacks allowed" signs, we can't bring back Jim Crow against trump voters.

[adigal]

17. Once again, Democrats cower in the corner, making absurd comparisons

Do you ever get tired of being kicked in the teeth and begging for more??

Here is the false equivalence. Refusing service because someone is black is based on something one has no control over, and one's color is not an act in any way. It is also not a bad thing. Voting for Trump is a voluntary act and a very bad thing. These two things you just compared have nothing to do with each other.

See?

[brush]

20. Missing the point entirely. Hate trump all you want but denying servicd to a trump voter . . .

in a public is a civil rights violation.

And how is someone supposed to tell that anyway?

[FairWinds]

33. No, it is NOT a "civil right violation"

Please do a bit of reading before you spout off . .

especially on "protected classes"

http://www.attorneys.com/discrimination/what-are-protected-classes

that restaurant is totally free to discriminate against Trump voters.

[susanna]

38. Political affiliation is not a protected class under the CRA. Try again. n/t

[adigal]

47. That is absurd..... what protected class are they? Assholes? Nt

[Igel]

42. Replace "black" with "Muslim."

And then try to argue that religious affiliation is something a person has no control over.

(For some, however, "black" is a choice. The NAACP chapter president in WA state, was it last year?, seems to serve as an example. Not for the overwhelming majority African-Americans, to be sure, but for some Latinos, all of which are, per the census, either black or white or Native American, and mostly the first two.)


The correct "moral" answer for some is an appeal to authority: This is legal, therefore it's moral; political affiliation is not a protected class. (That appeal to authority holds legally but not morally, and while law properly reflects morality the law is a poor substitute for morality--otherwise MLK and a host of other civil rights advocates wouldn't have been able to muster the argument that what was legal, barring blacks from certain places, was nonetheless immoral.)


The problem I have with it is simple. The only way somebody would know Vladimir L. voted for Trump is if he said in the establishment that he did or espoused political views that he did. It's using a public accommodation to ban speech. Notice that word, "public accommodation." It's like banning headscarves, and then saying, "Well, it's not just Musim headscarves." It serves to erode the little communication that might happen in order to create one of those safe spaces jocularly referred to as "echo chambers" to enable more of that critical faculty called "group think."

[Merlot]

18. "We reserve the right to refuse service" is a sign that used to be

in a lot of restaurants - usually applied to "long haired hippies" back in their day. Also "no shirt, no shoes, no service."

So yes, owners can deny service. They just can't deny service based on race or gender.

[brush]

19. Pretty sure this instance is a civil rights violation

[susanna]

39. Political affiliation is not a protected class under CRA, as far as I know. n/t

[sarah FAILIN]

48. No it is not

Being a republican is not a protected class of people.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

23. Since when did Trump supporters become a protected group, like

African Americans or Asians?

They aren't. Public places only need to not discriminate against rather specific categories, and at the risk of sounding like a broken record, Trump supporters don't fit any of those categories.

Oh, yes, and those signs "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" are still in place and are still valid.

[brush]

24. I hate trump but his supporters are part of the public. How is anyone supposed to tell who is a . .

a trump supporter or not? By the "T" stamped on their forehead maybe?

Not a smart idea.

I highly doubt the owner will win after getting sued by saying someone looked like a trump supporter.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

31. Again, that's not important.

If anyone, after reading that sign, is dumb enough to loudly proclaim support of Trump, they won't be served. And they're on notice for that.

Yes, in a way it's a bit silly because yes, you can't recognize them on sight, like you can lots of things like gender, race, approximate age, but not always. The gender thing no longer being as obvious to the casual observer is what has some people so worked up over public restroom use. But nonetheless, this man is absolutely within his rights to say he won't serve Trump supporters.

[Igel]

43. I think I'd wait until I was most of the way through my meal.

Then smile at the owner and say, "I voted for the T-man."

Just to see what the hell he'd do. Would he stick to his guns and throw me out or swallow his dignity until I finished and paid.

If I'm booted prior to finishing the meal, how exactly would the bill for services be viewed? "I'm sorry, officer, but he refused to let me finish the meal, which wasn't take-out; so he never actually completed his part of the implicit contractual services due before payment has to be tendered"?

[LanternWaste]

46. You're such a rebel.

You're such a rebel.

[susanna]

40. Sigh.

I doubt that the owner is actually going to refuse anyone; he is just using free speech, and hoping that those he calls out self-select and don't patronize his business.

His worst case scenario is every Trumpette in the world boycotts him after seeing his sign. Since the business is in Honolulu, I doubt that's gonna hurt him much, unless a lot of Hawaiians feel some sort of connection with The Donald and start to feel bad for his supporters.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Precisely!

[heaven05]

41. the trumpfuhrer and his base brought back racism and echoes

of the jim crowism I grew up with, which has been "normalized" again. I am waiting for the 'colored' restrooms and drinking fountains to appear again. Most people are going to be able, if they choose, to hide in plain sight, just like these trumpfuhrer voters, yet MANY millions CANNOT HIDE. What about us....you going to stand up when one one the ignorant deplorables calls me a n**** in public?????? So keep on despising....

[mainer]

2. Since vast majority of HI voters are Dems, won't hurt business any.

But it's kind of obnoxious. Better to say:

"I didn't vote for Trump. If you disapprove, you may wish to dine elsewhere."

[FBaggins]

5. Yes and no

Hawaii was still 30% Trump. That's a blowout politically... but few restaurants can afford to lose 30% of their clientele.

[OldYallow]

25. Next Time I Go To Hawail

I will eat there, and ask to shake the owner's hand.

I mean it.

I just spent $56 on 2 pizzas and a beer for the wife.

[SlimJimmy]

37. Excellent point. And it will save a lawsuit or two in the process.

Not saying that they would win, but the owner would still have to spend money to defend them.

[aggiesal]

3. Nationality is one thing ...

Voting for an idiot is not a protected class.
If the owner doesn't want to serve McCheetoHead voters, that's their option.

[Feeling the Bern]

4. Willes Lee. . .fuck you! Seriously, fuck you. Where in the first amendment does it say that

private businesses have to serve your nazi ass? "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

You nazi racists did it to blacks, Irish, Jews, Mexican, Homosexuals, Native Americans, Catholic, unwed mothers and anyone else you wanted to for a long time.

Racists screaming racism! Fuck you!

[sheshe2]

6. K&R!

Ya'll tell gays you will not make a wedding cake or serve them in your establishments.

Ef Off...feel the discrimination.

You are racist bigoted misogynist homophobic assholes. We do not want you.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

8. Not a good idea. Better:

Place a sign in the front window saying that ten percent of the profits will be donated to Planned Parenthood or the ACLU.

Or donate the money quietly, without bothering to put up a sign.

Turning away half your customers never pays off.

[7962]

10. Finally, someone with a GOOD idea. nt

[mahatmakanejeeves]

11. Thanks, mahatmakanejeeves, for the great idea. Before: SAD!, no hope. Now: things are looking up! NT

[AgadorSparticus]

14. The assumption is half. I think that is a mighty generous number.

[JI7]

21. the percentage of customers who are trump voters is likely very low. and whatever he loses

is probably more than made up by people who agree with him giving him more of their business.

[OldYallow]

26. Like Me Next Time I Fly To Honolulu

On my way to Maui....

[OldYallow]

27. Hope They Have Blackened Ahi

There...

[Feeling the Bern]

28. I doubt half of Hawai'i is neanderthal Trumper. They consistently vote 65-80% Democratic

in ever election. At most, he's pissing away 20-30% of the clientel. Fuck those people to begin with.

[7962]

9. Just another publicity seeker. And just as ridiculous.

Yay our team! Lets be just as arrogant and obnoxious as the other guys!

[adigal]

15. That guy is arguing a false equivalence...barring people because of race or sexual pref is illegal

Barring them because of their own acts is perfectly fine, and NOT discrimination.

[Feeling the Bern]

29. "We don't serve sex offenders." You use the same sound logic. IT's nice to see that

I agree with you completely.

Republican, conservative, nativist, bigot, Nazi and asshole are not protected classes.

[The Wielding Truth]

16. Fox News? This may not have even happened. Before a reaction verify any story on FOX NEWS.

[okasha]

22. I wonder if the restaurant has had a run in

with an abusive or violent Trump supporter.

[MarinCoUSA]

30. No shoes, No shirt, No Brown Shirts. NO SERVICE

Serving up 1st Amendment response to 2nd Amendment solutions.

[Midnight Writer]

32. There are a few businesses in my area that will not serve Democrats, leftists or liberals

And they advertise that on radio and newspapers.

One is a gun shop, another an outdoors supply, one a gun club that offers gun training for concealed carry permits.

From the manner they advertise a vehement hatred of "lefties", I imagine these policies attract more customers than they repel.

[orleans]

34. lol n/t

[SpankMe]

44. This is stupid and wrong

It behooves every business owner to keep politics completely separate from their business. They should serve anyone who comes in and desires their services (within reason).

A few years ago when that Florida doctor put a sign on his door that he wouldn't treat anyone who voted for Obama or who supported Obamacare, we here at DU came unhinged (myself included).

America's a diverse place. We in the liberal milieu need to keep our butthurt in check - even if we do agree with the restaurant owner on an emotional level!

And, I can't say it enough: Fuck Trump. Just fuck him.

[left-of-center2012]

45. They probably don't want the stench of sulpher. n/t