Witness accused Zimmerman of sexually molesting her

[maddezmom]

Last edited Mon Jul 16, 2012, 12:02 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: Miami Herald

A woman told the Duval County State Attorney’s office that George Zimmerman sexually molested her beginning when she was 6 years old.

“He was bigger, stronger and older,” she said, holding back tears.

The defense attorney for George Zimmerman filed a motion Monday to put a stop to a judge’s ruling that ordered the release of hundreds of his client’s jailhouse phone calls and the statement from the witness.

But the motion apparently did not make it to the State Attorney in time, and the recorded statement was posted shortly after 11 a.m. as scheduled.



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/15/2897557/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html

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Witness 9: George Zimmerman molested me
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Witness-9-George-Zimmerman-molested-me/-/1637132/15528110/-/jniluk/-/index.html

[riverbendviewgal]

1. From the Miami Herald Link jaw dropping

A woman told the Duval County State Attorney’s office that George Zimmerman sexually molested her beginning when she was 6 years old.

“He was bigger, stronger and older,” she said, holding back tears.

[permatex]

2. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

It's easy to make accusations. G. Zimmerman is no angel but I find this just too convenient to believe. Is there any history, past or present, to suggest this is true.
There have been alot of false accusation of this kind of vile crime, like the Wenatchee, WA. sex abuse case which turned out to be overzealous cops and prosecutors, the McMartin family case which, once again, turned out to be the case of an overzealous prosecutor.

So until I see positive proof of this, I will be very skeptical. This kind of allegation is the worst kind and once made, even if proven false, sticks with someone forever.

[progressivebydesign]

4. out of the millions of children molested, people always bring up two high profile cases.

Why is that? reminds me of the angry old men on the news site comments who instantly brand any woman claiming rape, is lying because they heard of false accusations somewhere else.

Not sure about this one, but her details are very very specific, and credible in context with the family gatherings which is something I've heard often happens. I had to call the police on a neighbor a few years ago who had a teen relative staying with them, who I saw from my balcony molesting the 4 and 5 year old in the backyard. Most horrible thing ever to witness. I have friends who were molested by a slightly older male sibling and cousin. It's much more common than the big false cases you mention.

Again, not sure about this one, but it's not something I'd dismiss out of hand like that. Often a victim comes forward after something else is alleged, because they feel safe finally opening up about it.

[permatex]

5. I'm not dismissing it out of hand

but until I see difinitive proof, like more victims coming forward, a history of this vile behaviour, I will remain very skeptical. It just seems to convenient to me.

[LanternWaste]

6. Assaulting a police office and assaulting your wife/girlfriend seems like a pretty solid history of

Assaulting a police office and assaulting your wife/girlfriend seems like a pretty solid history of vile behavior to me... regardless of whether that's convenient or not.

[valerief]

8. Add to that murdering an unarmed teenager and I think the woman's rape story is very credible. nt

[permatex]

14. Wow

When did the trial happen? Did I miss the verdict? What happened to a presumption of innocence in this country? I thought that we believed in the rule of law? Did I not get the memo that that no longer exists in the Party Platform?

I'm not saying G. Z. is innocent, nor am I saying he's guilty. He hasn't even gone to trial yet.

[uppityperson]

16. Are you seriously saying Zimmy didn't kill Trayvon, he is "presumed innocent" even though he confess

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Edited to say I was wrong in presuming you said that. Sorry.

[permatex]

19. Why don't you post a link to where I said that.

I would love to see that. There' no doubt that he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, however the trial hasn't even happened and the verdict hasn't been reached yet.
The trial won't be about whether or not he shot and killed Trayvon, it will be about whether it was murder or self defense.

[uppityperson]

22. Would you agree it was at least, legally, manslaughter? You seem to be talking legal terms, not lay

usage.

[permatex]

24. Manslaughter? No

I think, and this is only my opinion, the prosecutor got it right. In no way was this a case of SYG or self defense, if he had not followed Trayvon, gotten out of his vehicle, and stalked him, and again, this is my opinion only, not confornted Trayvon despite the dispatcher telling him not to, Trayvon would still be alive and we wouldn't be talking about this.

[uppityperson]

25. So in your opinion it wasn't manslaughter or self defense but murder. Not what jury rules, but your

opinion. thank you.

Edited because I read what you wrote wrong.

[permatex]

36. Correct

it's my opinion only, which don't mean doodly squat in a court of law.

I just realized that this happened when they were kids, am I wrong? Is there any other incidents reported yet?
I don't understand why this is relevent to the case.

[uppityperson]

42. From what I read, he was 8-18 yrs old. And her parents or sis should be able to back up this

allegation. I'm not sure what relevance it has either except to show more that he isn't all sweetness and light. Like the spousal (or was it ex-girlfriend? I forget) violence thing.

[permatex]

48. I'll await for the parents to weigh in on this.

thanks for the info.

[Hoyt]

28. If Zimmerman did not have a gun and a "suspicion" of black teenagers, this would not have happened.

The only people I see defending Zimmerman are those who are heavily into guns, and right wing bigots (many of whom are also into guns).

Yes, he deserves a trial, but I think most folks know what happened here. Some just can't admit it.

[permatex]

31. Ok Hoyt

here we go again, provide links to those of us "heavily into guns" that are defending Zimmerman.

[uppityperson]

34. that is backwards. Those defending are "heavily into guns". Not those "heavily into guns" are defend

Rather like robins have feathers, but not all with feathers are robins.

[permatex]

41. Just about everyone in the gungeon are most definitly not defending Zimmerman

like Hoyt likes to claim. I know for a fact that I 'm not defending his actions that night.

there fixed it.

[samsingh]

62. agreed

[frylock]

32. wow. ever heard of the court of public opinion?

[permatex]

33. Yeah

thats the problem, the court of public opinion.

[frylock]

57. then perhaps you should sequester yourself

[LanternWaste]

47. Not really "wow" at all.

"What happened to a presumption of innocence in this country?"

As no one here is a direct part of the due process of law in the Z trial, no one here is bound to, and only to, the legal definitions or obligations of the judicial proceedings. Additionally (and more to the point), our prognostications, our opinions and our conclusions have zero bearing on his presumption of innocence-- that is the court's responsibility.

So no... you didn't get the memo, because there wasn't a memo... (unless of course that was merely a rhetorical question designed to cover up a lack of substance of your position)

[permatex]

9. Are you fucking serious?

How do you compare child sexual assault to that? Really? Until I see more victims come forward, and if he did this, there will be more victims, or there is a history of sexual abuse behaviour, then I remain skeptical.
Your just ready to convict him of this aren't you.
G. Zimmerman may be guilty or not, you don't know and neither do I.

[uppityperson]

17. Someone does not ever sexually assault only 1 person? Are you serious?

[valerief]

20. I was talking about credibility and you know it. Bah-bye forever!

[permatex]

21. Ohhhhhhhhhhh

whatever will I do now?
Bye Bye.

[LanternWaste]

49. You stated "a history of vile behavior"

A. You stated "a history of vile behavior". Examples of vile behavior were then provided. You did not, however, state "a history of sexual abuse".

B. I made no comparisons

C. I made no statement regarding his guilt or innocence.





D. If necessary, Scholastic Press has a wonderful series of books called, "Scholastic Success with Reading Comprehension" for, well... troubles with reading comprehension.

[permatex]

52. Your condescending attitude is unwelcome with me

good bye and have a great day.

[LanternWaste]

53. As is your inability (or refusal) to read what is written.

"is unwelcome with me..."

As is your inability (or refusal) to read what is written.

As for your day...

[permatex]

54. My day is beautiful

going to get to only 95 today, getting the boat ready for the weekend at Laughlin, NV. on the Colorado River.
I have no problem reading.

[LanternWaste]

58. I implied no problem in your reading ability. Comprehension on the other hand

I implied no problem in your reading ability. A lack of comprehension though, was indeed implied... and exemplified by your deft command of the language more than once...

[permatex]

60. No problem with my comprehension at all

I comprehended you quite well, I was just messing with you.

[Herlong]

86. "I was just messing with you"

Messing with people concerning child molestation before you go boating. Is this what you call a good use of your time?

[permatex]

87. As a matter of fact,

yeah I do. Why do you care? And I don't mean that in a snarky way.

[Herlong]

88. Wow

just wow.

[permatex]

89. Sorry about that.

you asked a legitimate question, I was getting frustrated by being piled on for expressing my opinion and I kind of got out of control.
I've since calmed down some.

[Herlong]

91. I'll hold my opinion until there is some verification of the veracity of these allegations as well.

On the other hand, being a victim of child abuse, I know, if true, how difficult these admissions must be to this person. If what this cousin says is false, this has to be one messed up family!

[permatex]

92. Thats all I was saying and I got piled on

If you read my earlier post, you can understand why I posted what I did, and I got frustrated for all the negative reaction I got and posted some pretty smartass remarks, including one to you for which I truly do apologize.

I really fell like a now.

[samsingh]

63. i think this allegation fits the zimmerman pattern.

in my opinion he should also be charged for assaulting this young girl.

[crim son]

69. If I were to speculate,

and that's what I'm about to do, I would say that Zimmerman seems to enjoy exerting what he considers his power or control over people who cannot defend themselves. Child molestation could be considered that sort of behavior, in the same way that adult rape is often characterized as an act of aggression rather than sexual desire. Do you disagree?

[permatex]

70. No I don't disagree.

I'm not saying he didn't do it, I'm saying that in my mind, I need to see more proof.
This is personal for me, I had a relate that was accused of child molestation, he was eventually cleared when the girl finally admitted she lied, but by then it didn't matter, his reputation was ruined, he lost his family and he finally drank himself to death.
So excuse me for my skepticism w/o more proof.

[uppityperson]

7. You don't believe only 1 victim?She says, in the article, she told her sister who told her parents.

You don't believe abuse happened if only 1 victim, if this is the only history? Did you read the articles? There is a lot of specifics, including she told her sister who told their parents who tried to have a meeting with Zimmy. It seems they would be able to back this up.

[permatex]

11. There were a lot of specifics in the Wenatchee and McMartin cases.

How well did those turn out? So your ready to believe this without corroborating proof?
I remain skeptical, however my mind can be changed with more proof.

[Kingofalldems]

23. Oh I get it. From the gungeon.

[permatex]

27. And that has what to do with it?

Is that supposed to be the evil word to discredit anyone who posts there?

[Kingofalldems]

35. For some reason a lot of his DU supporters also post there.

Hard to explain.

[permatex]

43. You made the claim

provide the links to those of us in the gungeon supporting Zimmerman.

[uppityperson]

45. Here....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014167574#post41

[permatex]

46. Whoops

I meant to say not defending.

[fascisthunter]

67. coockoo birds

[permatex]

73. That was such a brilliant reply.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

65. Yep, member since June 27, 2012

703 posts the majority of them in DU's freeper game preserve(gungeon).

If it walks like a duck.

[uppityperson]

72. So? 37 a day may not be that much. Some post a lot, some a little. Want to take a jab at me?

Since I've a lot of posts, want to snark at me? FFS Really?

[permatex]

75. Thank you

you are a decent person and if I got nasty, I apologize. If you read my earlier post, you will see why I am so passionate about this. If it proves to be true about G.Z., I will condemn him to hell for all eternity.
I'm retired so I have time on my hands, although in the infamous words of the great Ozzie Osbourn, "Retirement Sucks".

[uppityperson]

78. You are welcome and I read your other post explaining why. And reread the murder vs manslaughter,etc

that you wrote also. Ah, the internets communication thing isn't always so clear and sometimes takes a while to figure out what someone means. If I got nasty and too snarky, my apologies also.

[uppityperson]

104. No, it isn't. And you do realize this is a forum where people jump in all over, answer each other?

How many others do you have on ignore for disagreeing with you, "dear"?

[permatex]

74. Your making the claims

why don't you prove it.
I get it, you don't like what I have to say so I must be freeper.
Why do you care where I post?

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

80. You said it,

and now I'll say it.... You're a fucking freeper. Enjoy your hopefully brief stay.

[permatex]

82. Whatever dude

you believe what you want to believe, don't mean nutin.

[uppityperson]

93. Why do this? Why insult rather than discuss issues? Why insult rather than look for clarification?

Why be bigoted towards someone simply because they post in 1 of the DU groups?

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

94. After reading this board as long as I have you tend to notice patterns...

If I had a dollar for every gungeon regular who managed to rack up several hundreds/thousands of posts in one forum and go on to consistently post nothing but right-wing/contrarian viewpoints under the guise of "just asking questions", or "I'm just sayin'" I would have a few hundred dollars at least. Why would YOU choose to be so naive?

[uppityperson]

95. Maybe because I took the time to actually talk with this poster & clarify what he was saying.

I guess you chose to not do that but to simply assume and jump to conclusions. It may simplify things for you but it sure adds to the "du sucks" attitude.

Just because someone posts in the gungeon does not make them a freeper and calling them such SHOULD be against the rules, except now we have juries that let such things ride sometimes. Yes, there are gungeon dwellers who are, but there are plenty who are not. It is a shame you have chosen to be so prejudiced against them.

Show me the "nothing but right-wing/contrarian viewpoints under the guise of "just asking questions", or "I'm just sayin'"" this one is doing. Or, alternatively, read the whole thread, read what else they wrote and try and think rather than react.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

96. You could probably count the number of non-freeper gungeon regulars on one hand.

Members of various online gun forums openly brag about disrupting DU on their forums.

[slackmaster]

98. So, which of the various online gun forums do you read regularly, Moses2SandyKoufax?

[uppityperson]

101. You seem awful familiar with the gungeon members and other gun forums. Hmmm.

How much time do you spend in the gungeon, since you say youare so knowledgeable about the regulars there? And what does that say about you?


Again, this sounds like typical prejudice. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some gungeon regulars who brag on other forums. But to then extrapolate that to "almost all gungeon regulars are freepers" is really poor logic.

[Nostradammit]

10. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

"I'm not dismissing it out of hand."


Yes you are.

[permatex]

12. No, I'm not.

[hlthe2b]

51. So are you looking for the accuser to produce videotape? What kind of proof would be "definitive"?

Of course this may not be true. No one is unlikely to acknowledge that possibility, but your "skepticism" seems more akin to automatically discounting the possibility?

Seriously, what would be definitive proof in your mind?

[permatex]

81. I'm not discounting the possibility

If you read my earlier post you'll know why I'm a bit skeptical, but if this turns out to be true, I will condemn him to the deepest pit in hell to roast for eternity.

[razorman]

13. I'm with you on this. I am not going to jump on the bandwagon

with this charge, simply because I do not like the guy, and believe he committed another crime. This charge is extremely serious. I am not going to say, "She couldn't possibly be lying in order to become famous." She may well be telling the truth, but I would need to see strong proof.

[permatex]

15. Thats all I'm saying

I'm not saying he didn't do it, I'm saying until I see more evidence of this vile behaviour, I remain skeptical, but if more evidence emerges, I will condemn him to hell.
You saw how fast I got jumped on just for asking for more proof.

[uppityperson]

18. I'm jumping on you for saying a person won't sexually assault only 1 other person.

[samsingh]

64. at the very minimum zimmerman was a piece of shit to corner a young man

zimmerman was armed and knew he was armed, so the young black man posed no threat from a distance.

So zimmerman, like the piece of shit he is, forced a confrontation and the young black man was killed.

This makes me seriously look at every allegation that is brought out against zimmerman. The young ladies description has a lot of merit: 1. she was scared to speak out before - clearly fits the zimmerman pattern; 2. zimmerman was a rascist - certainly something that the shooting would lend credibility to.

Recall zimmerman's lying to the judge when posting the first bail. i don't think zimmerman has much credibility left.

However, these are observations and my opinions. No one on this site is sending zimmerman to jail. that's for the jury to decide. but we can still have our opinions based on what we have heard.

[Herlong]

90. agreed

n/t

[razorman]

79. Absolutely. Unfortunately, many folk see any skepticism as complete disagreement.

But, since I wasn't there (either at this alleged assault or the Trayvon Martin incident), I need very strong proof before I would condemn a man to life in prison, or something similar.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. Nice post, Sandusky

[Maraya1969]

105. So far we pretty well know he is a liar and a murderer

to jump to sexual aggressor is not that high in my mind.

[permatex]

106. Well, yeah, there is that.

[slackmaster]

3. Eight years old and already a hardened criminal.

[LisaL]

26. What is the purpose of releasing these allegations to the public?

I don't see how any of it can be either proven or disproven. Zimmerman was all of 8 years old when this alleged abuse supposedly start taking place. It has no connection to the case Zimmerman is charged with. I don't see how any of it would be allowed in court.

[uppityperson]

29. And he was 18 when it allegedly stopped. It will be interesting to see if 9's parents/sister confirm

this. Reading the article now, it looks like she came forward shortly after the killing to say he was racist, which would have bearing on the issue. Then later she added info about the sexual abuse.

[permatex]

30. It won't be allowed in court, it's irrelevent to the case.

It does highly inflame the public and makes it harder to get a fair trial. Can you think of a more vile crime?

[progressivebydesign]

40. what crime is vile? Molestation? murder? exposing sexual abuse? not understanding your comment. n/t

[permatex]

44. Sorry

Child molestation.

[progressivebydesign]

38. It happens a lot, someone finally feels free to tell people what kind of person they are..

You know... where someone has done something bad to you, and you suddenly feel vindicated or free to step up because they got caught doing something else? That's very very common. It's how most molesters are charged with multiple crimes after the fact.

Often victims come forward when someone is charged with another crime, because they feel safe or they want to give a character reference about that person. And, many times other victims come forward once the story is out.

A young girl does not have a voice. An old friend was molested by her other brother during her whole childhood, but she was afraid to tell on him.. and eventually he was caught by the parents. But nothing happened. He stopped. You want to bet if he is charged with something later in life she will contact them and say "this is the kind of person he is." Whether this is germaine to the case, I can see where she would feel safe putting this out there now.

I don't think she's trying to get famous, I think that if she's been through that kind of abuse, that she's feeling vindicated and wants to tell people what kind of person he really is. Chances are, if it's true, others will step forward feeling empowered by her statements.

[valerief]

76. We wouldn't want to detract from his stalking and fatally shooting an unarmed teenager

who was only trying to stand his ground from this monster.

[HockeyMom]

37. History of violence?

There was the woman in the bar he threw against the wall, and the restraining order from ex-girlfriend. That is public record. Not relevant either? These were enough to keep him out of the police academy.

[progressivebydesign]

39. Forgot about those! Sheesh.. what a loser. n/t

[HockeyMom]

50. Assault on a police officer and resisting arrest also

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002478618

Maybe they can claim he isn't a racist, but all this can show a pattern of violence.

[turtlerescue1]

55. Didn't Zimmerman apply to get in the Police Academy?

Be a good place to get background checks through.

[LisaL]

56. These allegations wouldn't have shown up in any background check, because none of it was

ever reported to the police.

[fascisthunter]

66. not surprised to read this

[underpants]

71. Zimmerman, "Dad I need you to punch me in the face again"

Dad, "Why?"
Zimmerman, "Because it is my only legal defense for everything and it keeps the money coming in from the gun nuts"

[Canuckistanian]

77. WTF?

How did this story ever get connected to the trial now in process?

Is there a separate lawsuit in the works here?

[slackmaster]

83. I think the prosecution was looking for someone who could tar Zimmerman as a racist

Which the FBI failed to do in its investigation.

I assume that the prosecution would leverage evidence of Zimmerman harboring negative feelings toward African-Americans as the basis for a motive to murder Trayvon Martin.

The molestation allegations are coincidental IMO.

[LisaL]

97. Yet she was not able to give any examples of how Zimmerman personally

exhibited any sort of racist behavior.

[slackmaster]

99. They say the sensible blind squirrel looks for acorns not far from the oak tree twice a day

Or something like that.

[mzmolly]

84. It's not connected to the trial.

It's considered "evidence" because the witness gave her account to investigators. Whether or not this evidence is considered permissible in a court of law, is another matter.

Zimmerman's trial hasn't started yet.

[tawadi]

85. Just this morning I was wondering how long it was going to take

before more dirt would be dug up about Zimmerman. They'll be more, too, I bet.

[slackmaster]

100. That's a very safe bet

There will be LOTS more dirt dug up and published.

[Odin2005]

102. I knew it, Zimmerman is a fucking psychopath.