Michael Moore to Dems: Block Gorsuch or face primaries

[Jose Garcia]

Source: The Hill

Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore on Wednesday threatened any Senate Democrats who do not block President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee with primary challenges in their next election.

Trump announced his pick of Neil Gorsuch to succeed the late Justice Antonin Scalia on Tuesday, setting up a fierce confirmation battle between Democrats and Republicans.

Michael Moore ✔ @MMFlint
This Supreme Court pick was Obama's to make and it was stolen by Republicans. Democrats had better block this and demand a nom we approve.
7:01 AM - 1 Feb 2017

Michael Moore ✔ @MMFlint
Senate Dems, let's be very clear: You will filibuster & block this SC nom or we will find a true progressive and primary u in next election.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/317364-michael-moore-to-dems-block-gorsuch-or-else

[orangecrush]

1. Kick

And rec.

[comradebillyboy]

2. Michale Moore overestimates his clout...

Democrats don't need his purity tests to narrow our base.

[starshine00]

6. I don't think dems are the ones that need to worry about congressional elections either

republicans are the ones we should be putting the fear of God into

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. Exactly. MM seems to think that a filibuster will stop this confirmation. All McConnell has to do

is change the rules, which they're already threatening to do. Anything Dems do, at this point, is purely symbolic. I know MM is big into theater, but that's all it would be. We had an election, and unfortunately we lost. Nationally, we're in the minority.

[LenaBaby61]

50. Democrats are ...

And I mean REALLY burnt toast with NO power.

Even more frightening: A tRumputin DOJ further destroying our voting rights leading into the 2018 mid-terms. thuglicans will probably get a 60 seat majority in the Senate and then it's Katy bar the door. How do we KNOW that under a tRumputin DOJ the ruskies won't be "ASKED" to interfere again in our elections--mid-terms and GE? Bad enough voter suppression/voter disenfranchisement, crosschecking, Dem purging from the voting rolls will worsen by 2018. There's too much fake news, no press, tRumputin has hype men and a hype crew that accompanies him to events who clap/cheer for him just like Kim Jong-un.

SMDH.

[jonno99]

69. These are the times that try men's & women's souls...

[RegexReader]

119. and there will be a lot

of souls released before all of this is said and done. This ain't gonna end well I'm afraid. The far right running false flag operations at Berkeley is just stoking the fires.

[OnDoutside]

95. It's not just symbolic, the Democrats have to show the American people that they are not

just talking about fighting for them, they have to be seen to be fighting for them. Seriously, the gloves are off and if the Republicans see that the Democrats are going to cave in on this nutjob, they'll be even more audacious in what they try next. It's time to get off the pot.

[NurseJackie]

51. Thank you.

I can't stand him.

[wordpix]

61. the real issue is HANDING OVER EVERY BRANCH OF GOV to the REPUBLICS

STOP being so nice. If Gorsuch is another Scalia, NO!!!

[putitinD]

126. +1000

[yurbud]

113. if Democratic politicians don't stand up for us, we don't owe them our support in the primaries

That's how democracy is supposed to work.

[Mike Nelson]

3. Agreed

...100%!

[LisaM]

4. Is Michael Moore a Democrat?

I don't believe that he is.

[MosheFeingold]

20. He generally helps

But first and foremost, he's about selling tickets to his movies.

[LanternWaste]

110. We make the unsupported allegations that we need to...

We make the unsupported allegations that we need to to better validate our biases.

[Squinch]

47. But on this he's absolutely right.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

5. People like Michael Moore

have no business being the face of the Democratic Party. He needs to sit down and shut up. It is people like him and his attacks on Hillary Clinton that contributed to us losing both the White House, and the Supreme Court. Nina Turner and Jill Stein need to join him on the bench in the back of the room.

[putitinD]

9. Michael Moore was a big supporter of Hillary! But when everybody was saying the Hillary

couldn't lose. He pointed out that Trump had a much better chance than people thought.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

16. Michael Moore only became

supportive of Hillary Clinton after Bernie Sanders lost the primary. Before that, he was lobbing attacks at her non-stop.

[Raster]

30. Moore had EVERY RIGHT TO SUPPORT HIS PRIMARY CANDIDATE OF CHOICE...

...That's called DEMOCRACY.

[EarthFirst]

36. This. nt

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

41. Big difference between...

supporting your own candidate, and tearing down both Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. My hope...that Democrats have learned our lesson, and CLOSE ALL PRIMARIES to PARTY MEMBERS ONLY...join us, and go strike out on your own.

[Buddyblazon]

104. Hell no...

You completely lost me there.

You're demanding I kowtow to your corporate politicians? What in the Jesus fuck has DU become?

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

112. Independents Are NOT Democrats...

I have advocated for more than two parties for decades...that said, we have two viable parties currently in America. A lot of folks unhappy with this reality have chosen to be registered as Independent, but still want to demand a say in party politics. Why should folks NOT VESTED in the party be allowed to have a say?

People are free to join the party, work from the inside to change the party, to win support for their cause, or their direction for the party, with the majority deciding the path. However, from my perspective throwing stones from outside is unacceptable, and it is my belief that those who have opted to become Independents need to mind their own business, and stay out of Democratic Politics.

If there were a huge influx of members, and that influx saw a change in the direction of the party, I would have two choices...stay and support the party in this new direction, or leave, registering as an Independent. I'd make my decision stay or go based on how I felt on that new direction. If I left the party, I would no longer feel I had the right to be involved in their party politics. Sadly, a lot of Independents feel otherwise, feel they are entitled to push our Democratic Party more toward their group desires though not members...sorry, in my world view that is just stinky thinking. There are privileges of membership in any group, one of them having a say.

[Buddyblazon]

121. Then keep losing unbelievably easy to win races.

You regressive.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

122. So your remark

basically makes my point....you are more than likely not a registered Democrat, but want to come in and tell US how to run things. No one is denying people a say...we are saying if you want a say, JOIN THE PARTY, but don't throw stones from outside the tent in. If that in your fogged mind makes me a regressive, I'll own the tag.

[Buddyblazon]

133. Just like most of your posts...wrong!

Registered Democrat for 26 years. I voted straight dem in every general and midterm and off election since. Never cast a vote for a republican. Not even once. Phone banked, canvassed and volunteered for both Kerry and both of Obamas presidential campaigns.

I'm just smart enough to know when someone is blowing smoke up my ass. Apparently you still haven't grown up enough to realize when you've been hornswoggled. It's okay. I understand it's hard to admit when we've been fooled. Takes a bigger person to recognize and change the pattern of abuse. Perhaps you just have more growing up to do.

[tazkcmo]

127. Good luck with that.

And what does "Join us, and go strike out on your own." mean?

[Rex]

52. Well ya know...

some are not big fans of democracy. Or progressives or liberals. To them, those words are trigger mechanisms. Just look at this thread for great examples.

[TDale313]

73. Absolutely!

[putitinD]

128. +1000

[EarthFirst]

35. Is that not what every HRC supporter wanted?

To fall behind the candidate after the primaries?

So what's the problem here?

[OnDoutside]

96. There is no problem, he couldn't have done much more to support her after the Primaries.

[Buddyblazon]

105. Right?

So we were called names...but ordered to fall into line. So we did. Why? So we could be insulted more? Some petulant children up in this mofo.

[Sunlei]

11. BS, you and 'the hill' have the same agenda. No one tells our side to sit down & shut up.

MM is on our side!

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

14. I am a long time liberal and Democrat...

Michael Moore is not on my side, nor do I see him as on the side of the Democratic Party...as a note, also do not see Bernie Sanders as being on the side of Democrats. I see the both of them as interlopers who want to steal the Democratic Party for their own desires, which is why I also believe the new DNC Chair should close all our primaries. If Independents and others wish to have a say in who our Presidential Candidate is, want a say in our party politics, it is time THEY JOIN OUR PARTY, or go start their own.

[Sunlei]

19. President Clinton said to MM, "I'm your biggest fan", Hillary said, "No Bill, I am".

They had him over for dinner. Any friend of Hillary's is a friend of mine. We're stronger together, as Republicans (and 'the hill) both know -divided we fail/fall.

[otohara]

72. On Obama "he's been a huge disappointment"

and then he said ....

A hundred years from now, ‘he was the first black American that got elected president,’ and that’s it.”

I hope the Obama's never invite MM anywhere near their house.

[bathroommonkey76]

76. That story was in Trumpland--nt

[Sunlei]

125. here is Hillary today- "backing" him" Michael Moore @MMFlint, who predicted Trump's victory"

Hillary Clinton ‏@2020VoteHillary · Feb 1
Michael Moore @MMFlint, who predicted Trump's victory, warns @SenateDems: Block Gorsuch or else http://hill.cm/oxa1jsD #SCOTUSnominee pic.twitter.com/nDMBfsDuo1

[putitinD]

26. +1

[henbuck]

13. Centrist DNC Democrats have no business being the face of the party.

Their message has failed. It is time for true progressives to lead.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

15. Sad...

that impatient Millennials and outside interlopers want to come in and steal the Democratic Party. 79 Million Baby Boomers, a great deal of us Liberal Democrats are not going to let that happen without a fight, and a fight is not what we need right now. Time for people to learn to get along for the good of our party, and time for the younger generation to stop telling us old timers to go sit in the back of the bus and let the youngster have a turn at driving the bus.

With all due respect, if those voting for Jill Stein and Johnson, if those who stayed home, all in the name of being the protest vote had bothered to show some party unity Hillary Clinton would be in the White House, and we would not now be watching the Republicans perched on the precipice of taking control of the Supreme Court for another 30-40 years.

Tell me, how did that protest vote work out? NOT VERY GOOD

[Buddyblazon]

106. Well I'm 44...

And I'll fight you. Anywhere anytime. You telling me I have to join you in your fight for regressiveness...AND be happy about it?

No way. No how. Not happening. You could put a gun to my head...and it wouldn't happen. No one...especially someone pining for the old days on a message board is going to tell me I have to get in line with their ways.

You want your own authoritarian party? Then go make it.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

111. We have a party...it is called the Democratic Party.

Since when is it OK for those who are NOT MEMBERS of a party (Democrat or Republican) to try to tell us how to run said party. A lot of folks wanting a say in how the Democratic Party are not members, are Independents, and so should have no say or vote in inner party politics...they are welcome to have both a vote and a say in party politics when THEY JOIN THE PARTY.

If they want a say, but don't want to join our Democratic Party, then it is time they go start their own party, and we have seen how well that has worked out over the decades. The Greens as example have been trying to gain traction for a very long time...I know, as I used to be a member of the Green Party.

Las I looked, other than when the Electoral College steps in and voids the will of the people (2000 and 2016 elections), in a Democracy it is majority rule, and if the Democratic Party for instance opts to have closed primaries outsiders do not have a voice in our party politics, and as much as it may gall you, I don't feel those choosing to be Independents should have any say whatsoever in how we run our party, or who we choose to be the head of the DNC. I am not alone in this feeling either, and a lot of registered Democrats believe the biggest mistake made in this last election was allowinng Independent Socialist Bernie Sanders to run on our ticket.

[Buddyblazon]

120. No the biggest mistake the party made...

was dressing up a corporate politician and trying to tell us they were a democrat.

You're a conservative. You certainly aren't a liberal.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

123. You don't see me attaching labels to you...

Hillary Clinton was not/is not a Conservative, nor am I. Hillary was wrongfully attacked for decades by the Alt Right, and the Millennials believed every word of the Propaganda without ever PROPERLY vetting Bernie and his wife...trust me, more than a few skeletons in that family closet.

I support gay rights, women's rights, marriage equality, $15 minimum wage (think that is still too low), support some kind of immigration reform that provides a pathway to citizenship, have been an environmental activist for decades...I could go on and on, but you choose from your own narrow perspective, as an outside to paint me as a Conservative, claim I am no liberal...why, because I believe in closed primaries, believe you should join a party if you want to change its course?

Shaking head....

[Buddyblazon]

134. "You don't see me attaching labels to you.".

Wrong again:

"that impatient Millennials and outside interlopers want to come in and steal the Democratic Party."

I'm am neither a Millennial nor an "outside interloper". So you attached a label to me at the start of this subthread.

Don't be "that guy".

[Buddyblazon]

135. And henbuck is right...

3rd way, DNC/DLC "Democrats" like yourself need to get over yourselves. Your politics are pro corporation. That's as right wing as it gets.

We want liberals. Not conservatives like yourself trying to take over our party.

It's actually time YOU get the f@&$ out! Enough of your bullshit status quo candidates. We liberals are taking back our party. If you can't get on board, get off the tracks. Because the Pain Train is coming.

PS...stop calling yourself a liberal. Because you aren't. You can call yourself a democrat. But you are NO liberal.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

17. FYI....

FACT...the biggest reason we lost the election is White Male voters.

It was the young progressives who thought they could deliver the White House without them. You do not win elections ignoring a group of people (White Males) that make up 35 percent of eligible voters.

FACT...another big reason we lost the election, the White House, Senate and Supreme Court was because a whole lot of PROGRESSIVES decided to use a Protest Vote for Stein or Johnson to send a message to the party.

That protest vote in every Toss Up State was more than enough votes to have given Hillary Clinton the win in the November Election. In short, Progressives, Millennials have a WHOLE LOT OF BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS, and need to sit back and reflect a little bit. That protest vote did not work out so well for America, did it?

[henbuck]

25. The biggest reason was

Yes white male voters especially blue collar voters. Both parties having been ignoring them for decades, they got fed up. Sad because union workers used to be the back bone of the party. Hillary did little to win their support, she might have tried some but her message certainly did not get through. Bernie would have done much better with them as would have Biden. I voted for Hillary but almost noting she proposed was exciting. Progressive positions would benefit the working man a lot more than middle of the road ones. If you look at FDRs 1944 state of union message and what he was proposing it was not much different than Bernie's positions. Over 70 years and we still have not gotten there. I am not a young progressive I am 63.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

31. Like you

I am no longer a young whipper-snapper, turn 61 this month. I have been fighting for liberal, progressive issues my whole life, and it saddens me that Millennials seem to believe it's their turn even if we don't like, that their agenda their needs, wants and desires should supersede ours. Sad thing, as you so eloquently point out, is that on most issue Boomers and Millennials see eye to eye, want many of the same things. I also wish that Millennials would do some homework on Social Security...Baby Boomers did not expect Millennials to pay our way in our old age...we paid into the system, there should be plenty of money there...problem is, Congress came in, borrowed our money moving it into the General Fund, leaving us worthless IOU's that they now say the government cannot afford to pay back.

[Buzz cook]

131. Not worthless IOUs

T-bills that the republicans will refuse to pay off.

[bettyellen]

24. Compare the womens march and airport protests with the healthcare protests....

I'm sorry Sanders failed to gather enough steam but seriously, he needs to help the Dems unify against a common enemy as do his supporters. This divisive shit was sowed by fucking Wikileaks acting on behalf of Russia. BOBers were fooled. Never again.

[Buddyblazon]

107. Stop reliving the primary.

Y'all told us over and over again how much you hated our guts for supporting Bernie and to get the hell in line.

So despite you guys telling me how horrible I was for being a Bernie fan for months and months, I fell in line.

Now Hillary lost and you're still going to bash me?

It's over. We did what you asked. And we lost. Stop reliving it and take some responsibility.

[Buddyblazon]

108. And btw...

I see Bernie everyday fighting Trump.

I haven't heard a single word from Hillary.

[moda253]

109. Fucking-A-Right-On!!!!

This is about as succinct as you can state it.

Boom!

[putitinD]

28. +1

[Rex]

54. Don't worry we will.

They had their chance - all this kicking and screaming is just business as usual on DU.

[QC]

45. He is an enemy of the people.

We must purge the kulaks and counterrevolutionaries.

[Rex]

55. LOL!

[wordpix]

88. get a grip, he's a voice of the Dems but not "the face"

the face is Schumer in the Senate, Pelosi in the House. Same old same ol and that's a problem.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

99. I fully agree on

Schumer and Pelosi...both of them have been around since the extinction of the dinosaur.

[Scruffy1]

97. Spoken like a true authoritian.

He was one of the few that saw the train wreck coming. So kill the messenger. he is more in touch with the voters than many at the DNC or elected officials. I am still very disgusted by the way the way the whole primary was run. A whole lot of us were told to sit down and shut up and go with the losing ticket. Of course being a Democrat I don't sit down and shut up. It's not so bad for the affluent, but for the poor it will be a needles disaster. Your "experience" is worthless if you can't get elected.

[The_Voice_of_Reason]

100. Sure we disagree...

But look at all the protest votes thrown on the garbage heap of history given to Stein and Johnson, and there is the White House, Senate and Supreme court we lost because people wanted to make a point more than they wanted to win.

[bucolic_frolic]

7. The filibuster will be dead as soon as McConnell doesn't have the votes to stop it

It's a shame, any reading of original intent and the Federalist Papers
pays strict attention to the rights and views of the minority because
these guys knew what tyranny felt like and wanted the minority to be
heard.

We are living in fascist times. GOP with Trump as their front man, crafted
for 25 years, thought no one would RESIST if they rammed their entire
agenda and cabinet through fast.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

[putitinD]

8. Michael Moore is right! If our Dems fold like an accoridan every time, we will never re-gain

power. Aren't we getting tired of being the party with the big "KICK-ME" sign on our back?

[otohara]

82. Was He Right

When he said this?

A hundred years from now, ‘he was the first black American that got elected president,’ and that’s it.”

[Sunlei]

10. I tweet @potus and @white house, I demand Merrick Garland have his vote first!

[Augiedog]

12. Resist, rebel, revolt

[rzemanfl]

34. +1 n/t

[Friend or Foe]

18. As a white male lifelong Democrat over the age of 55

I find it appalling that my fellow Dems disapprove of what Michael Moore is preaching.

"Elections have consequences."

The plain fact is that the Democrats failed in getting out the vote. Period.
The silver lining though is "redemption". The fact that so many of us are now expressing our displeasure with the result and demonstrating in many different forms, forums and mediums, will likely send a message to current representatives.

Both Republican and, especially Democrats, should be made aware that it is no longer "business as usual". Democratic reps need to understand that their strategies of appeasement will not work anymore.

If you want to follow the appeasement route (Heidi Heitkamp) in order to protect your seat, then you'll have two elections (hopefully) to participate in. And it's likely, that the primary may be the harder of the two.

The other side has made it clear that they WILL NOT COMPROMISE. So, if we give in, that's not a compromise, that's appeasement. The term "appeasement" means to yield or concede to belligerent demands in a conciliatory effort, sometimes at the expense of justice or other principles.

Now is the time to draw the line in the sand and not cross it. Yes. There will be short term pain and discomfort. But the reward at the end of the struggle is worth it!

[putitinD]

29. +1000

[rzemanfl]

32. This white male over 65 lifelong Democrat agrees. n/t

[Alpeduez21]

53. RESIST

+1000. I have watched appeasement from Dems fail since Reagan. I have seen attack no compromise rhetoric work for Republicans since Reagan. I have learned if a Repuke says it then it's bad for America. No compromise no quarter. My country has been stolen and I fucking want it back.

[wordpix]

64. Keep this in mind, Dems: R's will have control of EVERY BRANCH

if Gorsuch is approved.

[MosheFeingold]

22. This is not the hill to die on.

Sometimes there is a place to make a last stand.

But blocking judges and department heads gives the Repugs an easy argument to remove the filibuster for good.

Better to make a stand on ObamaCare or something that is more understandable to the people.

There is only so much political capital to spend and making a last stand early kills what little reserves we have.

Goresucks is a Scalia replacement. The status quo does not change. It sucks but is not the end of the world.

Justice Ginsburg is old and sick. She probably won't make it through Trump's term. Certainly not his second, if that happens.

Now THAT is a hill to die on.

[rzemanfl]

33. Keeping our powder dry doesn't work.

RESIST NOW! No compromise, no quarter.

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. Sloganeering doesn't work either. "RESIST NOW"? I'm all for resistance, but only if it makes sense.

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by provoking the Senate leadership to change the filibuster rules. If you want Dems to be completely powerless, then your "no compromise, no quarter" absolutism might make sense. But since we don't control any of the levers of power, don't you know that there will have to be "compromise"?

[rzemanfl]

44. This is a coup. Nothing about the current situation is susceptible to compromise.

Trump, Bannon and Putin are after absolute power.

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. Be that as it may. The numbers just simply don't add up. Everything else is theater. n/t

[rzemanfl]

48. Trying to stop fascists with democratic processes seems like theater to me.

The anger and fear in this country is palpable. Trump is nothing but a useful idiot for Putin. Something will blow somewhere and it will be soon. The thought of this band of Nazis and morons in charge of this country is terrifying. This will not end well.

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. Everything you said is true, but you don't think the majority is going to let the minority make....

the rules do you? We wouldn't allow that if we were in the majority, and we already took the step of eliminating the filibuster for cabinet positions, and rest assured the GOP will blow up the filibuster for everything else, including USSC appointments. I feel your pain, and am right there with you, but Michael Moore calling for Democrats to "resist" or else, is just an open invitation for those handful of red state Dems to switch parties. We have to walk a very fine line here. Not every decision can be based on emotion.

[rzemanfl]

62. Here's the way I see it. Either a few Republicans with tiny shreds of conscience and patriotism

are going to see the light or there will be a civil war and/or police state in this country. Worrying about the next election is like looking for the fabric swatches for the new curtains while the house is burning.

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. Tell that to Michael Moore. He's the one threatening to primary anyone who doesn't toe his line.

[rzemanfl]

66. I kind of drifted from the thread, didn't I? Drumpf's irrationality is affecting my

thought processes and sleep patterns. We are living a nightmare.

[Tarheel_Dem]

71. Agreed. n/t

[wordpix]

87. has any other pres done late night appts like his? The chaos

appears palpable.

[wordpix]

86. there's only one choice

dump Drumpf now, not later.

[wordpix]

85. it will end better the sooner

Trump is gone. We do not want him to consolidate total power with R's in charge of every branch of gov! Think forward.

[wordpix]

84. how about this number? HRC +2.9 million in popular vote

get Donald out NOW.

[Tarheel_Dem]

93. The electors have cast their votes, and the election is settled. Resist. Take to the streets.

Shake your fist at the sky. Whatever makes you feel better, but demanding that vulnerable Democrats follow Michael Moore over a cliff is not something I'm willing to do.

[JHan]

56. I hope they remove the Filibuster, it's a silly obstructionist tool and it was used ...

....far too effectively against Obama.

As a matter of strategy , let the Republicans remove it.. Democrats then need to work real hard on capturing 2018 and 2020 elections . With republicans in the minority then ( hopefully) they will have no tools on hand to obstruct a Democratic President.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

60. I agree with you.

This is not the hill to die on, especially since there were other presidents who also did not get their SC nominee through during the year before an election. Unfortunately, that wasn't unprecedented, even if it's WRONG.

[onecaliberal]

78. This is exactly the hill to die on, are you kidding me. They stole the appointment from Obama.

Maybe you don't care if women lose the right to choose, or we go to war tomorrow. We have to stand up to EVERYTHING now. There is no time to waste.

[harun]

80. Damn right it is. They have nothing left to lose. Court is functioning in our favor right now.

[Squinch]

102. THIS! Nothing left to lose.

[wordpix]

90. Wait a year for Dems to even consider Gorsuch, just like Merrick Garland

was treated.

[onecaliberal]

91. He's a fascist. Consider that POS never

[Squinch]

101. Right! RESIST! EVENTUALLY!

No. Now and forever.

[dembotoz]

114. thats the problem it never seems to be the right damn hill

as usual mm is correct

[MosheFeingold]

116. Ginsburg is the hill

He can't be worse than Scalia. So it's no change.

Ginsburg is obviously very ill. That is, by far, the more important hill and the one one to dig in and make a stand.

[Jake Stern]

130. You don't think they'll go nuclear in a fight over Ginsburg's seat?

That brings the very desirable (to them) prospect of a 2/3 supermajority on SCOTUS.

[MosheFeingold]

132. They might

But McConnell is weak and easily swayed by public opinion.

He will only do it at the start of this term, long before the election. He'd be too afraid to do it later.

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. I want Democratic leaders to know that I, in no way, intend to follow the likes of Michael Moore....

down the rabbit hole. I am sick to death of these self appointed assholes making proclamations in my name. Michael Moore does not speak for me.

[otohara]

37. Nor Me

Too many lefty surrogates told vulnerable people to "stay the fuck home" like this quote from Killer Mike and they did.

Moore and his rhetoric is never helpful as we've learned through the years.

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. Who's to say we didn't lose votes because people don't like the thought of MM putting himself...

forward as the face of the Democratic party? I can't stand him. He's in hog heaven right now. He gets to trash the GOP controlled WH, the GOP controlled Congress, and the GOP controlled USSC, and still trash Democrats in the process. He'll make some more crappy movies and increase his own wealth, while the rest of us suffer under the most regressive regime in my lifetime.

[otohara]

68. The Trump Years Should Be Very Lucrative For MM

and not a damn thing will change.

Just like nothing changed during the Bush years when many of us marched, protested were completely ignored by Bush/Cheney.

I'm calling and writing emails this time around but no fucking way will I torture myself listening to these fools who time after time do nothing but turn more people off on the only party that tries to do the right thing.

He said this on Obama “he's been a huge disappointment” A hundred years from now, ‘he was the first black American that got elected president,’ and that’s it.”

Fuck MM.

[Tarheel_Dem]

70. That quote about Obama still has me fuming. He & Sanders were very dismissive of the POTUS'...

achievements. They worked overtime to minimize anything he did. "Doesn't go far enough". I don't think of MM as an ally since the 2000 election debacle where he & Nader claimed there was no difference between the parties. Fuck him, and whatever his next money making venture turns out to be.

[wordpix]

89. MM has made some great educational films

He's an influential filmmaker, he's not a politician and he's not speaking for his constituents in a district. Give him some slack. I disagree with you

[JI7]

92. fuck him

[harun]

103. What point do you disagree with?

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[berksdem]

27. so....

based on some of these posts it was MM for the reason that we lost the election. I think we are creating a list longer than Trumps impeachable moves here...

[hadEnuf]

38. Lots here wanting to shoot the messenger, but Moore is right.

We need to start making stands on every wrong thing Trump does and not waiver.

People vote on principal, not on how you pick and chose your battles.

[Crepuscular]

39. Moore is offering poor counsel

The fact is that Gorsuch will be confirmed regardless of any attempts to thwart his confirmation by the Democrats.

There are 10 Democratic Senators in states that were won by Trump, that are up for re-election in the 2018 mid-terms. Is Moore seriously suggesting that it would be a good thing to primary those Democrats, making it even tougher for them to hang on to their seats, as a misguided gesture that will accomplish nothing in terms of preventing Trumps nominee from being confirmed?

Sorry, can't buy that logic. It sounds like a perfect recipe for handing the Turtle a 60 seat majority in the Senate and then God help us as to what the Republicans might do.

[Blue_Tires]

42. Why even threaten primaries?

The REAL statement should read, "Block Gorsuch or the USA as we know it is DEAD!"

[Squinch]

49. Because threatening primaries is what they care about.

[JI7]

83. yup, same shit all the time

[MFM008]

57. We dont need anyone telling us

RESIST EVERYTHING.
EV E R Y T H I N G.

[Alpeduez21]

63. Filibuster NOW!

The long term thinking won't work. For example, not being strong on this guy means dems can be strong on another one. The Repukes will just engage the nuclear option then. Mark my words the Repukes will engage the nuclear option.

So the Dems opt for someone we don't want now just to get someone else we don't want later? How does that make any sense?

[BlueWI]

74. Amen to this.

Show up and fight - for the optics, to dominate the news cycle, to energize your base, to see if there are a couple of Republicans that cross over on this vote based on the principle that a sitting president had his pick completely disallowed.

Is run and hide a better option? Or to let the confirmation proceed quicker by not providing opposition? Are actual Democrats on this thread seriously advocating the vote, run, and cover your butt strategy??

[singed.dude]

75. Yes!!!

Filibuster every Supreme Court nominee!!! They stole one from Obama; one good turn deserves another.

[harun]

81. Mark my words they will NEVER use the nuclear option.

Conservatives prime directive is keep everything the same and the key tool they have for that is the filibuster. If anything they will make it stronger. Wait and see.

[BigDemVoter]

77. FUCK yeah!

[milestogo]

79. If our elections are fixed it doesn't matter if they are primaried.

We're going to lose the seats anyway.

[TomCADem]

94. Meh, What Is The End Game?

...except to get Republicans to nuke the filibuster over a candidate who is actually qualified unlike many of Trump's other nominees. I get going to the mat on Tom Price, Betsy Devos, Scott Pruitt, Rick Perry, Mnuchin, and Rex Tillerson. But, Gorsuch is actually a widely respected judge.

Yes, Republicans stole the seat, but then we need to vote out Republicans, rather than act like idiots and blow up the filibuster over a qualified judge.

Finally, this is what bugs me about Michael Moore. It seems like what he is best at doing is attacking Democrats from the "left." It is not like the Democrats nominated Gorsuch. Republicans stalled out Garland's nomination. Trump nominated Gorsuch, and Republicans will vote for him.

And who does Michael Moore blame? The Democrats.

[Jose Garcia]

98. Moore actually has a financial incentive for Democrats to lose

His biggest hits have been when Republicans have been in the White House.

[harun]

115. Totally missing the point of nearly everything

1. Gorsuch is not to be respected.

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/supreme-court-nominee-gorsuch-in-his-youth-fascism-forever_partner/

2. This is Obama's pick. There needs to be repercussions for stealing it or it will happen worse next time.

3. Court is operating just fine with 8. Why put Scalia lite on there?

4. Moore isn't blaming Dem's he is trying to get them to resist so the American people know they have backbone.

5. The filibuster is the most anti-change anti-progressive tool in the government. Our side benefits much more from a weakened filibuster than their side. In turn this means they will never weaken it.

[MosheFeingold]

117. Correct

The guy has impeccable credentials and is clearly very smart. His opinions (which I've read) are well reasoned with a surprising libertarian bend to them. (He's surprisingly pro-criminal defendant and had a really interesting opinion on a felon who did not know he was a felon due to bad court instructions.)

He's more of a Constitutionalist than a conservative, although they can and do overlap.

In short, the argument against him is basically he won't rule the way we'd want.

And that will be a losing fight.

I'd rather keep the filibuster in place for The ACA and Ginsburgs replacement.

[rockfordfile]

118. I agree with Moore

[Sunlei]

124. Now Hillary Clinton backs up Michael Moore! Thank you Hillary & MM !!

Hillary Clinton ‏@2020VoteHillary · Feb 1

Michael Moore @MMFlint, who predicted Trump's victory, warns @SenateDems: Block Gorsuch or else http://hill.cm/oxa1jsD #SCOTUSnominee pic.twitter.com/nDMBfsDuo1

[Pachamama]

129. Not just Dems...Republicans too...

But we will make sure we have voter registration and awareness drives and destroy all of them in the primaries...


And meanwhile we should be doing it to any member of congress that just voted to repeal the laws Obama put in place to prevent mentally ill people from Acquiring firearms.



They support a ban on babies and old people needing medical care in US simply because they are on Trumps list, but are ok with mentally ill people like the so many homegrown shooters that kill our citizens?

WTF!!!!!