White House leak reveals how staff manipulated Trump to get him to approve failed Yemen raid

[DonViejo]

Source: RawStory



SARAH K. BURRIS
07 FEB 2017 AT 09:40 ET

The one way a White House staffer can get President Donald Trump to do what they want is by telling him that President Barack Obama would never have done it, a new report reveals.

According to the Independent, an anonymous staffer leaked that the way military leaders were able to urge Trump to act on the failed Yemen raid was by telling him Obama didn’t want to do it.

General James “Mad Dog” Mattis, and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joseph Dunford, were reportedly able to persuade Trump to move forward by claiming Obama would never have been so bold to actually go through with it.

The military action was in the works for months prior to Trump taking over but Obama advisors didn’t want to do the raid until it was a moonless night.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/white-house-leak-reveals-how-staff-manipulated-trump-to-get-him-to-approve-failed-yemen-raid/

[Botany]

1. The reason why the Obama administration and the military had rejected the Yeman raid ....

.... was because they thought it was too risky.

[Eyeball_Kid]

2. It had less to do with the "moonless night" and more to do with overall risk assessment.

[Botany]

9. From what I have read was that Trump was in the dinning room w/Bannon, his

...his son in law, and Ivanka when he gave the go ahead for the raid and Trump
was not in the Oval Office, the W.H. Situation Room, or the Pentagon during
the raid.

Washington D.C. is swimming in experts about these kind of actions and it looks
like Trump got little input before giving the go ahead for the raid.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028607068

[heaven05]

14. he, bannon and flynn just wanted to

better Obama....that is all this raid amounted to. All these clowns did was kill one of our warriors, wound many more and took an innocent child's life, she shouldn't have been there but she was still innocent of the al-qaeda-evil and ours.........sad what we have calling themselves our 'leaders'...FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Botany]

17. And somehow al Qaeda was able to know that we were coming ....

.... so they were locked and loaded before our helicopters landed.
And if what I heard on NPR is true we had a chance to abort the
mission because we had lost the element of surprise.

BTW the al Qaeda leader we were going after got away too.

[Motley13]

29. blotus probably tweeted it

[Ligyron]

31. There's so many leaks in this administration

that even the terrorists knew it was coming.

[Botany]

37. The story I heard was that the al Qaeda people picked up our radio traffic ...

.... minutes before the raid so they were ready for a battle. We had a chance
to abort the mission but for some reason went ahead with it.

No doubt if this raid had been a success we would never have heard the
end of it.

[Quackers]

61. I have an issue with believing they just picked up our radio signal.

Just being in an everyday combat unit in Iraq, we still used SINCGARS. military radio frequencies are constantly hopping from one frequency to the next. For every second that goes by, the radio changes frequency over one hundred times. Just to be able to have a conversation with your own people, all the radios are synced with a programming box that keeps them in time with each other. If any radio falls out of time by more than 3 seconds, it will no longer work. It would have to be reprogrammed again.

Being a special forces unit, I would imagine they would have even more advanced radio technology. If the enemy was listening, it wasn't an accident.

[Botany]

62. Thank you for posting and your service too

The one thing we can be sure of is that the al Qaeda was
on alert and ready for the raid. I have seen and/or heard that
we had lost the element of surprise in that raid and we had a
chance to abort the mission but went ahead anyway.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#/media/File:Obama_and_Biden_await_updates_on_bin_Laden.jpg

look @ the picture of the bin Laden raid .... the Air Force General (?) is helping to run the operation .....
Trump gave the order for the mission w/his daughter, son in law, Steve Bannon, and Gen Flynn (he
wanted the mission) there in the dinning room and then he went off to watch TV and to bed.

[LudwigPastorius]

39. Apparently, Trump is still carrying around that hackable phone.

He probably texted Billy Bush. "About to move on Al Quaeda in Yemen like a bitch"

[elehhhhna]

54. Spicer just announced we were never looking for that Al Qaeda leader it was just for data & evidence

Lie lie lie lie lie

[hurple]

22. Not just the raid

It's what the ENTIRE presidency amounts to. This is just trump getting back at Obama for being the butt of his jokes at the White House Correspondents dinner in (was it?) 2011.

[heaven05]

23. given the petty nature of boy-potus

that is a real possibility.

[elehhhhna]

55. BLOTUS

Fify

[lark]

32. Stupid ass.

He just made Obama look smarter and him and Bannon and Mattis were shown to be trigger happy fools who don't bother to get sufficient intelligence before they comit American military to harmful sitatuions. They have shown total disrespect and huge lack of caring to our military men and women, throwing away an American life just to try and make themselves look manly. Wonder if they all have erectile issues, lol.

[wordpix]

46. reports are indeed he approved raid over dinner, then retired at 6:30 pm

Bannon, Jared and Flynn were present at dinner. If Ivanka was there, that makes 3/4 non-military, zero experience ppl present along with one RW nutjob military expert.

[Botany]

49. And does Flynn have any real experience in Navy Seal/Army Ranger/Marine Re-con raids?

No doubt Trey Gowdy, Chaffetz, and Lindsey Graham are going to demand
an ivestigation into what went wrong.

[Cha]

58. Surprise, just the kind of shit we knew would happen with

trump rigged in.

I'm so sorry for those who had to die because "President Obama wouldn't have done it"..

[SDJay]

3. Once Again...

Tiny Penis Syndrome. That's all this is.

[Liberal In Red State]

34. Absolutely!

[inwiththenew]

4. So much for Mattis being the voice of reason

Glad he breezed right through confirmation.

[grantcart]

35. And he is the brightest one of the bunch

We are in shit soup

[leftyladyfrommo]

5. I would be wary of this leak.

From what I read Obama's people stated that Obama hadn't ever had anything to do with this plan. That he never even saw it.

I would be more likely to believe that it was determined that this operation was just too risky so it was abandoned.

This whole thing just sounds wrong to me.

[cstanleytech]

8. No one is claiming that Obama saw it other than the people who allegedly are telling Trump he did.

Do I find it believable that they could be manipulating the oaf that easily? Yes, but thats based on my opinion formed around his own actions with twitter which he cannot seem to stay off of.

[cstanleytech]

6. I hope no one tries to tell him Barak wasnt brave enough to swim in the water off the

Farallon Islands as Pence might become President then.

[Ligyron]

33. Hey, sharks have to eat too ya know.

[3catwoman3]

7. Would not basic prudence...

...deter a new CIC from from launching a military operation of ANY kind just 2 weeks into his time in office, no matter how much planning and discussion had gone on in the previous administration?

Rhetorical question not requiring an answer.

[Raster]

10. Oh puh-leeeze...if the result had been more "positive" for the US...

...El Cheetolini would be falling all over his orange self to take credit for it...

"It was the BIGGEST AND BEST PLANNED raid EVER! This was even bigger than that snipe hunt to get Osama Bin Whatever!"

"...an anonymous staffer leaked... General James “Mad Dog” Mattis, and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joseph Dunford, were reportedly able to persuade Trump to move forward by claiming Obama would never have been so bold to actually go through with it."

Weren't we sold a bill of goods that ol "Mad Dog" was actually one of the sane ones installed in tRump*'s Cabinet? Which is it: rational and sane, OR egging Cheetolini on to prove tRump's was bigger than Obama's?

[Xipe Totec]

11. Tell him Obama would never Q-tip his ears with the barrel of a loaded .22 nt

[Dave Starsky]

19. Obama was too cowardly to light his scrotum on fire.

There's no end to the fun they could have with this chump.

[elehhhhna]

56. Obama would also never play the choking game

[titaniumsalute]

12. Sounds more like the WH is trying to blame the Joint Chief and Mattis

What now? They fire them both?? They fire the Navy Seals for failure?

[flamingdem]

30. This

[grantcart]

36. Doesn't matter what happened, the only thing that matters is that they are all against each other

[wordpix]

47. agree, take this report with a grain of salt - Mattis & Joint Chiefs not at the dinner

when Trump approved raid

[Cha]

59. Good.. they're all gorging on each other.

[Vogon_Glory]

13. What was it that the Rethugs said when they took over from the Big Dog?

Oh, yeah. "The adults are in charge."

[DinahMoeHum]

15. Like I've said before, Trump is being played for a CHUMP. . .

. . .on various fronts. So fucking easy to do.

[safeinOhio]

16. According to early reports,

they were waiting for them and knew it was going to happen.
Who leaked it?

[Tanuki]

18. "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust

with nuclear weapons." Hillary warned anyone with brains enough to listen.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/7/28/12319846/hillary-clinton-dnc-speech-trump-nukes?client=ms-android-att-us

"So just ask yourself: Do you really think Donald Trump have the temperament to be Commander-in-Chief?

Donald Trump can't even handle the rough-and-tumble of a presidential campaign.

He loses his cool at the slightest provocation. When he's gotten a tough question from a reporter. When he's challenged in a debate. When he sees a protestor at a rally.

Imagine, if you dare, imagine — imagine him in the Oval Office facing a real crisis. A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons.

I can't put it any better than Jackie Kennedy did after the Cuban Missile Crisis. She said that what worried President Kennedy during that very dangerous time was that a war might be started – not by big men with self-control and restraint, but by little men – the ones moved by fear and pride."

[Cha]

60. "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with..

nuclear weapons." Hillary warned anyone with brains enough to listen."

Hillary warned us all.. but, no.. the bad perception of emails was more important to the damn brainwashed the reality of what Would Happen and DID

Thank you for that reminder, Tanuki

[BumRushDaShow]

20. They are still insisting on doing the "opposite"

of Obama.

[Grins]

21. Three words.

"...able to persuade Trump to move forward by claiming Obama would never have been so bold to actually go through with it."

Three words: Osama. bin. Laden.

Too many unknowns about this story to trust it.

[ananda]

25. OK

I know I've fallen for some of the fake news being thrown
at liberals since the election.

I guess this could be one too.

Anyway, Trump is clearly arrogant and stupid enough to
do this on his own without being manipulated, but he is
also the kind of person who would fall for something like
that.

But that's how fake news works, isn't it? It's just plausible
enough ....

[JI7]

24. why is it called manipulation ? maybe it's being honest

And a regular person would have been more cautious and maybe even talked to the previous pres about it first.

[NewJeffCT]

26. somehow, I think the opposite happened

I think Mattis and the Chairmen advised against it, and it was Bannon & Flynn that said Obama wouldn't have done it. I think they're trying to blame Mattis and the Chairman as justification for them being demoted.

[Javaman]

27. the question now is: who doesn't manipulate trump? the play-doh president.

from gannon, the alex jones, to all his staff members.

it's becoming readily apparent that trump has not a fucking clue as to what the hell he is doing.

[3catwoman3]

50. I'm going to guess that you would agree...

...that this has actually been apparent for quite some time. It's now an unavoidable state of affairs.

[Fritz Walter]

28. Not to worry! Congress will get to the truth!

Oh, wait...

All this is probably very comforting to the family of the Navy Seal who was KIA.

[grantcart]

38. Sounds like Bannon and Flynn are trying to dump on mattis and Dunford

[hibbing]

40. "So bold" n/t

[Motley13]

41. Where is the investigation?

Benghazi anyone?

[Beartracks]

42. Mr. Trump, Obama wasn't bold enough to do Single Payer!

Hey, it's worth a shot.



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[dchill]

52. Absolutely!

[wordpix]

43. so did Trump team wait for a moonless night?

Article doesn't say, but I doubt it. Itchy little trigger fingers thinks he knows all.

[elehhhhna]

57. Yes. Just checked moon phases yemen 1/28.

This is apparently the only honest thing they have said about this raid

[Hayabusa]

44. They wanted their own "Bin-Laden Moment"

and rushed into it, getting an American soldier killed and countless civilians. Damn them all to hell.

[Sunlei]

45. Repubs. played to trumps want for a "victory in press" better than Obama.baby killer his first week!

Trump and Republican 'babysitters' are responsible for all the deaths and wounded. 10 woman and children! 7 seal 6! entire small community destroyed.

[3catwoman3]

48. Just what we need -

- a playground bully SCROTUS who repsonds to "I double dog dare you" taunts.

[ffr]

51. Impossible! This is the guy who knows more about ISIS than the generals do.

He manipulates ISIS, that's how good he is.

The TOTAL DISASTER that was the Yemen raid, the death of a Navy Seal, an 8 y.o. girl, and 30 - 60 others, the loss of a $72 million aircraft, that may or may not have resulted in the collection of al-qaeda hard drives and information, couldn't have been Mr. Omniscient 7 bankruptcy tRump's fault, because he's incapable of failure, except for his life history of one failure after another.

INCOMPETENT!

[calimary]

53. Only sniveling chickenshits always look to blame somebody else.

Either that, or five-year-olds who got caught beating each other up on the playground. "HE started it!" "It was HIS fault!" Ordinarily one would not expect such behavior from true and legitimate grown-ups.