Calgary seniors shocked at being fingerprinted, mug-shotted by U.S. border officials
Source: Calgary Sun
BY BILL KAUFMANN, CALGARY SUN
FIRST POSTED: TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 21, 2017 10:51 PM MST UPDATED: TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 21, 2017 11:11 PM MST
Calgary seniors Carl and Sandra Hannigan were looking forward to a stress-free flight home after a 10-day visit to Mexico.
But the two said they were stunned when U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials pulled them aside at the Salt Lake City International Airport to fingerprint and photograph them.
The couple were on their way to catch a connecting flight to Calgary on Feb. 13 when what they call the privacy intrusion occurred, a process that took about 10 minutes.
After showing their boarding passes and Canadian passports, "we were told to put our hands on a green scanner, then they took facial photos," said Carl Hannigan, 75, a Calgary veterinarian.
Read more: http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/02/22/calgary-seniors-shocked-at-being-fingerprinted-mug-shotted-by-us-border-officials
No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)SunSeeker
(51,554 posts)I have never seen this done at an airport. Makes me not want to fly.
What possible reason could CBP have for doing this?
msongs
(67,405 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Ever since the Patriot Act, they have ramped up grabbing ID info as often as possible.
I refuse to participate as much as possible.
I most certainly refuse to let some stranger touching my body, and to feeling unsafe from our gov. when I travel.
thus I haven't flown since 9-11.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Is that a real pic or photo-shopped!?
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Though the photo is credited to Splash News.
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DFW
(54,378 posts)Several years ago, some German tour group on the way back to Germany from a vacation in Mexico. The flight back included changing planes in Houston. A German woman in the group, in her mid-sixties, who spoke very little English, was taken aside by CPB, detained, searched, interrogated by English-speaking CBP officials whom she did not understand, missed her plane home, and then released after something like 16 hours. No reason given, no explanation offered. Made the local papers here in the Düsseldorf area. I think Bush was still in office at the time. Quite a few German travelers vowed to never again set foot on United States soil. For some reason, we seem to have several steroid-addled control freaks in CPB who get away with this bullying on a periodic basis.
Even my wife has been detained two times in a row at the Atlanta airport when entering the USA. We usually go through there every December. The first time, it was because she had spent more time (though under the legal limit) in the USA than the CBP official found appropriate, although her "more time than usual" was spent in NYC while our elder daughter was having an operation--not that it was any CBP's business. Her return ticket showed she was not overstaying her visa-free quota. They detained her (us) for an hour anyway. Last December, when we arrived, the jerkoff CBP guy--himself an immigrant--decided he'd pull a power play, and detained her "because her fingerprints didn't match." Now the fingers she presented last December were the same ones she had used the last 100 times she had entered the USA, so the guy was just being nasty. That detention lasted almost an hour, too.
The screening used to hire our CBP officers is obviously sorely deficient.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)meadowlander
(4,395 posts)on a flight coming in from Australia and I was in the US passport holder's line.
I think it's just the newest fancy equipment they need to justify paying for.
I think it was at LAX but may have been SFO.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)They did it to everyone Worst part is the photos are awful...way worse than Nick Nolte mug shots. They stretch and morph you in all directions. You could not identify us from those photos. They gave us a copy. It wasn't a big stressful deal though. Just part of the usual security stuff. It maybe took an xtra 30 to 45 seconds. Not nearly as bad as what you get if you forget to dump your water or your toothpaste tube is too big.
I used to be pulled out and taken to an isolation room. Evidently, someone who's suspect has something major in common with me. This time, I floated right through, so I liked it.
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)It's not like I was looking my best walking off a 26 hour flight anyway, but the photos print out distorted on this cheap paper like a receipt and I looked like I was coming off a seven year meth binge in mine.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Who would have thought that those stupid photos were so, so ridiculously bad that it was discussed in a blog. Like a joke you would expect at a Day of the Dead party.
My thought at the time was, how could they even be useful? Yeah, I had forgotten about the very cheap paper. I don't think I've ever seen paper so thin. You could see through it. It just sort of popped out right in your face.
kimbutgar
(21,148 posts)Terrible picture after a 10 hour flight. Picture and fingerprints. But last year we came in from Frankfurt to Dulles and no picture or fingerprints.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)It's to demonstrate to all of us---and to get us all used to---an authoritarian state.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Border security is for examination. It happens. Our Danish DIL has been detained twice on returning from Europe. My husband and I once had our RV searched on returning from Mexico and another time on entering Canada. But this feels different.
"I'm not the kind to zip my lip but I didn't dare ask him,"
Shocking to realize how this gentleman probably really needed to be very careful.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Make the Trumpanzees think something is being done, whether it is just show or not.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)DFW
(54,378 posts)But if my wife gets harassed again, she might call it quits. She has been coming to the USA since 1975, and has only been really harassed unjustifiably in the last two years or so. She only takes it because she has seen that I, as an American citizen, have also been harassed by German authorities, though not at the border.
George II
(67,782 posts)....enter Canada from Michigan to drive to Toronto to visit other relatives. When I return home I cross into the US at one of the Niagara Falls crossings. I'm wondering if I'm going to have problems this summer since I'll be crossing the border in two places hundreds of miles apart.
DFW
(54,378 posts)If you CBP officer is competent, it should be no problem. If not, a passport with a visa signed by God in triplicate won't save you from an unnecessary bureaucratic ordeal.
George II
(67,782 posts)...but it has always been entering Canada, not re-entering the United States. I have a US passport, but up until about 20 years ago I never needed it to cross the border. It's a whole new world out there.
DFW
(54,378 posts)I don't get there often. I've been at Canadian embassies and residences probably ten times as often as I've actually bee to Canada. The last time I was there, in 2015, it was no sweat at all for either my wife or for me. We landed at Vanvouver airport, and were just asked what the purpose of our visit to Canada was. We said what it was, and that was that. The time before that was long ago: 1998. We were in a rented car on the ferry from Seattle to Victoria, and in those days, my residence was still Dallas, my wife's was in Düsseldorf. The Canadian border police asked where our kids, traveling on their US passports, lived, and when they heard "Germany," asked them if they were OK with this. Luckily, they said, "of course," in perfect English and spontaneously, so the Canadian border guards didn't give us any further grief.
In 1994, I even temporary naturalized a British subject for three hours. He lost his U.S. citizenship again after dinner, though. We were in Detroit, and someone had recommended a restaurant in Windsor, so we grabbed a taxi. The taxi driver wailed when he heard he had a passenger who was neither American nor Canadian. When we hit the Canadian border booth, the guy just asked "All American citizens?" We said, "yep." And he waved us through. On the way back, the US border guard asked us what we did in Windsor. I said we had just gone for dinner, and were on the way back to our hotel. He didn't even ask where we were from, and I had told my friend from London to keep his bloody trap shut.
George II
(67,782 posts)...as a child we took the train up to Toronto from NYC a couple of times, and I've flown up there a half dozen times for work. All the other times went there by car. It seems that driving has less hiccups than flying.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Seems like a nothingburger.
Demsrule86
(68,567 posts)it is not a nothingburger...this sort of behavior will destroy tourism in this country.
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)Not sure what's so outrageous. I love it. It means I don't have to talk to immigration officials for more than a second.
CabalPowered
(12,690 posts)I was through immigration and customs in less than 5 minutes last week, through Seattle. And it qualifies you for PreCheck.
Fingerprints and headshots for visitors has been SOP for a couple of years now. I'm not sure I understand the outrage here. The upside is that if their record is clean, they're eligible for PreCheck without even applying. Most countries I visit are collecting at least headshots. Fingerprints are becoming more common.
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)will start tit-for-tat because of the USA's stupidity.
George II
(67,782 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)There was a recent report of two elderly Canadian women who wanted to cross over into the U.S. on a shopping trip.
They were questioned for 5 hours, including their opinion of President Trump,
and then denied entry.
They were only told the U.S. has to protect itself from Islamic terrorists.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)Soon that will end, I suppose. My Canadian relatives used to vacation in Stowe. So much for that, too.
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)His family has said they will not visit while the orange idiot is president.
DFW
(54,378 posts)I'm betting high one digit billions, maybe even low two digits.
dembotoz
(16,804 posts)best way to avoid us border police is not to go there....if i were and airline god i would be looking at direct canada to mexico flights