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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:24 AM Feb 2017

Obama lawyers form 'worst-case scenario' group to tackle Trump

Source: Politico



Fearful the new administration will abuse its power, the former president’s lawyers are uniting to fight back.

By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 02/23/17 05:14 AM EST


Top lawyers who helped the Obama White House craft and hold to rules of conduct believe President Donald Trump and his staff will break ethics norms meant to guard against politicization of the government — and they’ve formed a new group to prepare, and fight.

United to Protect Democracy, which draws its name from a line in President Barack Obama’s farewell address that urged his supporters to pick up where he was leaving off, has already raised a $1.5 million operating budget, hired five staffers and has plans to double that in the coming months. They’ve incorporated as both a 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(4), allowing them to operate as a nonprofit but participate in some forms of political advocacy as well.

While other Trump opponents focus on taking the president to court over the travel ban and deportations, the new group plans to drill into issues that aren’t already hitting the headlines, like potential intervention in and intimidation of regulatory agencies by West Wing staff.

“When people hear concerns about democracies declining into authoritarianism, they expect that moment to come in a singular thunderclap where everyone can see that this is the time,” said Ian Bassin, who’s leading the new group. “In reality, often times, democracies decline over a period of years that happen through a series of much smaller steps.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/obama-trump-lawyers-worst-case-235280

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Obama lawyers form 'worst-case scenario' group to tackle Trump (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2017 OP
Glad to hear it, but this moment IS the "singular thunderclap" so their mission is URGENT lagomorph777 Feb 2017 #1
This makes me feel ... lillypaddle Feb 2017 #2
Best news I've heard in 2017 lindysalsagal Feb 2017 #3
"democracies decline over a period of years that happen through a series of much smaller steps" PSPS Feb 2017 #4
Like frogs on slow boil. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #11
I have witness a the creep since the early 90s Cosmocat Feb 2017 #13
It's a worthy effort. Scruffy1 Feb 2017 #5
I have a post on Inverted Fascism... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #12
This country is split in thirds Cosmocat Feb 2017 #14
My post was in response to my OP (which itself was a response to another post on Quora) Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #15
I knew he wouldn't leave us to fend for ourselves. These are his people. Hekate Feb 2017 #6
Arizona had taken one step LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #7
I love these lawyers! Cha Feb 2017 #8
Thanks Obama sheshe2 Feb 2017 #9
My profession has been stepping up and I am proud Gothmog Feb 2017 #10

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
1. Glad to hear it, but this moment IS the "singular thunderclap" so their mission is URGENT
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:40 AM
Feb 2017

I should scrape up a few bucks to send them.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
2. This makes me feel ...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:42 AM
Feb 2017

safer - nice to know there are those who have our backs. Wonder if Pres. Obama will be actively involved, or will be behind the scenes. Or neither.

PSPS

(13,594 posts)
4. "democracies decline over a period of years that happen through a series of much smaller steps"
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 11:35 AM
Feb 2017
“When people hear concerns about democracies declining into authoritarianism, they expect that moment to come in a singular thunderclap where everyone can see that this is the time,” said Ian Bassin, who’s leading the new group. “In reality, often times, democracies decline over a period of years that happen through a series of much smaller steps.”


It's called incrementalism.

If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

From They Thought They Were Free - The Germans, 1933-45
http://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
13. I have witness a the creep since the early 90s
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:09 PM
Feb 2017

the profiteers who drove AM radio and all other forms of media within the right wing bubble have sucked the soul out of this country over the course of the last quarter century.

It has boiled my blood, I have know it was just wrong, did all that I could and came out of it with the sad realization that I could not even lead the horse to the water, much less make it drink.

This is the last stand - the republican party has devolved into a full on fascist organization, and they willingly brought in their authoritarian head.

They will NOT walk it back, they will only get worse.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
5. It's a worthy effort.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:20 PM
Feb 2017

Perhaps, in his own way, Trump might do more to revive representative government than any President since Lincoln. From what I've seen since the election, the people are waking up. The standard way of screwing the voters is to propose something truly dreadful and then back off a little and get them to accept something not quite as bad. It seems Scrotus is mentally unbalanced and has no strategy. The scary part is that he still gets 40% or better approval. I lay this to the media, and especially the false dichotomies they have programmed into American minds. I was thinking of a recent post about teachers having to take down diversity posters and the Principle said that you have to show "both" sides. I'm thinking,"How many sides does a sphere have?"
I'm sure all the pundits would argue it has two. I'm guessing if you post a truth the you have to put up a lie to balance it. Studies have shown that public opinion has no effect on national legislation for many years (see Givens et al) before Citizens United so getting rid of that isn't going to fix it. I have come to believe that Wolin is right and what we have is inverted fascism. They don't need force they have they media, endless spectacles of sports and nonsense. Maybe, it's just and old man's looking back to youth, but I think people were much less walled into an ideology when I was young and far more able to tackle problems with an open minded approach. Anyway, if Trump can't bring the public back from the walking dead then we are finished as a worthy nation and will join the long ranks of unstable third world countries run by the latest cabal for their amusement and benefit.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
12. I have a post on Inverted Fascism...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:50 PM
Feb 2017

...on phone, but will look for it, and reply. Would like to hear your take on it.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
14. This country is split in thirds
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:15 PM
Feb 2017

Trump has lit up our third - the people that operate in reality and have a sense of decency and a belief in democracy.

The third that deals in an alternative reality is just fine with him.

The problem is the other third - the people who are apolitical or "independents." They either are tuned out, mildly agitated, but not near enough to get into the game, or those people who won't call themselves republicans, but have one or more belief that the right speaks to and because of it believe in the evil liberal boogyman.

I am skeptical that they will break right.

We can maybe muck things up to stall out some of the damage 45 and the party of trump WANTS to do, but the proof will come in November, starting this year, we need to see real gains at the municipal level. But, if we don't see a major blood letting November of 2018, as you note, it is probably game over.

IF we make it that far.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
15. My post was in response to my OP (which itself was a response to another post on Quora)
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 03:46 PM
Feb 2017
Response to my OP

I'm sorry for the late reply, but you're spot on. The goal is complete merger of corporate and government interests into one huge bureaucracy.

Classical fascism, Italian and German, though different from each other (Germany was all over the place), always results in absolute government power with business interests serving the government, but benefiting business.

Neo-fascism is the reverse. Using government to gain absolute corporate power.

Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin (Lenin initiated) all failed in their quest. Even though they had different structures and methods, the tools were the same; oppression of minorities and resistance movements, and government sponsored terror (Black Shirts, Gestapo, KGB). The authoritarian reactionaries realized that an easier way to power was to spread tentacles via business associations with governmental institutions, showing the masses all the pretty things to look at; reality tv, become famous, live the luxurious life, the Huxley method, while underneath, destroying minorities, sowing fear and terror, crushing opposition movements, and controlling media with their message, the Orwell method. The goal is complete and absolute corporate control.

And we still want to play nice?


My OP which was in response to another post on Quora:

It’s impossible to not be biased when offering a political opinion, so with due respect, please indulge me as I try to remain impartial.

I’m having difficulty accepting your premise, which seems to indicate that both sides exists as absolutes, and more importantly, that both sides are on equal footing when it comes to objective facts and reality.

First, there may be a great political divide in this country - I do not contest that, however, the divide may not be as clear as you imply. I think it may be pretty hard to discern as you approach the middle of the continuum. However, that being said, empirically, it appears that the Left side of the continuum seems to accept facts and reality more than the Right side. It seems to me, again through observation, that the Right seems to have an aversion to events and information. Whether or not the Left has acceptable or agreeable policies and solutions to the objective facts they are dealing with is not the issue here (of course, I believe they do, but it is immaterial to this conversation). It is my opinion, from observation, that the Right tends more towards deception, or outright denial of the facts and information provided. Sometimes, they will invent facts out of thin air. They seem to not care about the objective universe around them, because it doesn’t fit with their ideology or policy prescriptions. They are more comfortable, when an issue is at odds with their views, just simply to dismiss them and offer “alternative facts,” which of course, to any reasonable and objective person, is an oxymoron. The term “alternative facts” is self-contradictory. You can not have a fact and alternative fact. That may exists in Quantum Theory, but it does not exist as a phenomenon in the macro world.

It just doesn’t appear to me that the Right is more accepting of a science-based ideology. The more that they have to justify their policies and actions by deception, or even just inventing things out of whole-cloth (the Bowling Green Massacre that never existed is a great example), the more they appear to be dogmatic. I’m not saying that the Left is incapable of being dogmatic, but I think the Right is definitely susceptible to it simply because their foundation exists on deception and alternative facts.

It is simply amazing to me that when discussing the political divide in this country, that it’s automatically assumed, even axiomatic, that the two sides’ political and social foundations are on equal footing in terms of reality. By observation, that is just not true. The Left, at least policy-wise, tends to conform to the objective information given to them. The Right tends to stick with ideology when it comes to policy and decision making, which may or may not align with the facts given to them. They’re not interested in modifying their policies to align with the objective reality around them, but are ready to modify reality to conform to their policy, which is rigidly tied to their overall ideology.

If we’re going to find solutions to the problems this country faces, and if we are going to progress in a world filled with nations who are more grounded in science-based solutions, then we are going to have to deal with the elephant in the room. The Right is not interested in progress or solutions. It’s raison d'être is simply to gain power and maintain power for an exclusive group of people, science and empirical facts be damned. The Religious Right, the far-right (white supremacists), and the rural working class (all three categories can overlap), will not get what they paid for, unless they fall within that aforementioned exclusive group. Any policies that happen to be enacted that are agreeable to them, is not by design, but simply an unintentional byproduct of the overall agenda to gain and maintain power.

I have tried to provide as impartial a response as I could - believe me, I could have been far less kind regarding my opinion of the Right, but the degree of my opinion is not pertinent to my argument.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
6. I knew he wouldn't leave us to fend for ourselves. These are his people.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:26 PM
Feb 2017

I feel so thankful to read this. Try to remind the handwringers that Obama doesn't need to hold rallies to get the job done.

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