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canetoad

(17,158 posts)
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 03:17 PM Mar 2017

World's oldest fossils found in Canada, say scientists

Source: Guardian

Scientists say they have found the world’s oldest fossils, thought to have formed between 3.77bn and 4.28bn years ago.

Comprised of tiny tubes and filaments made of an iron oxide known as haematite, the microfossils are believed to be the remains of bacteria that once thrived underwater around hydrothermal vents, relying on chemical reactions involving iron for their energy.

If correct, these fossils offer the oldest direct evidence for life on the planet. And that, the study’s authors say, offers insights into the origins of life on Earth.

“If these rocks do indeed turn out to be 4.28 [bn years old] then we are talking about the origins of life developing very soon after the oceans formed 4.4bn years ago,” said Matthew Dodd, the first author of the research from University College, London.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/mar/01/worlds-oldest-fossils-found-canada-say-scientists-quebec-haematite-377bn-428bn-years



This is a BFD, pushing the age of life on earth almost back to the creation of the planet.
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World's oldest fossils found in Canada, say scientists (Original Post) canetoad Mar 2017 OP
Wow bravenak Mar 2017 #1
That is so amazing! ellie Mar 2017 #2
Get thee behind me, Satan! brooklynite Mar 2017 #3
LOL nt canetoad Mar 2017 #4
I can't find any reference to Canada in the Bible, therefore I refuse to believe that Canada exists. tclambert Mar 2017 #18
A joke I was told once while working is Israel, Throckmorton Mar 2017 #19
Oh. bucolic_frolic Mar 2017 #5
I was thinking about something else meow2u3 Mar 2017 #14
Fake News.. pkdu Mar 2017 #6
Waddaya calling Fake News? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2017 #15
really cool discoveries about iron oxide and the powers of rust! Sunlei Mar 2017 #7
That is big! get the red out Mar 2017 #8
Why, 4.4Bn is older than 4,000!!! COLGATE4 Mar 2017 #9
4.4 billion years? That's almost as long as a baseball game! Orrex Mar 2017 #10
Cool, thanks for posting this n/t hibbing Mar 2017 #11
Excellent work. Thanks for sharing! lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #12
OMG! ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #13
I read that the Canadian Shield has some accessible oldest rocks in the world Marthe48 Mar 2017 #16
I heard Austrailia ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #24
Zircon found in rocks in Western Australia canetoad Mar 2017 #26
Probably what I was thinking of ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #29
We'll see a lot more of this, what .... Whiskeytide Mar 2017 #17
What about the Ark? BlueJac Mar 2017 #20
Thanks k&r n/t lordsummerisle Mar 2017 #21
also known as the good ole days grantcart Mar 2017 #22
Wow! I'm gonna follow this story NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #23
A problematic claim. While the bacterial speculation has some basis in prior findings, jetcat Mar 2017 #25
Yeah, that makes sense too canetoad Mar 2017 #27
So extremophiles paleotn Mar 2017 #28
Yes, it's been believed for some time that extremophiles led the way. lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #31
lol! paleotn Mar 2017 #32
What is McCain doing in Canada? whistler162 Mar 2017 #30

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
19. A joke I was told once while working is Israel,
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 04:50 PM
Mar 2017

Moses was actually told to go to Canada, not Canaan, but his hearing aid batteries were dead, so Canaan here we are.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
5. Oh.
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 03:24 PM
Mar 2017

When I saw "world's oldest fossils" I thought they were referring to the
ossified Republican Senators. My bad.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
14. I was thinking about something else
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 04:06 PM
Mar 2017

When I saw "world's oldest fossils", I thought they had Mango Mussolini's cabinet in mind.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
12. Excellent work. Thanks for sharing!
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 03:47 PM
Mar 2017

Life is a natural process that is inevitable whenever the conditions fall within a (very wide) range. Currently we believe you need at least a little liquid water and a little energy. As last week's TRAPPIST exoplanets show, that may be a pretty widely available set of conditions.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
13. OMG!
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 03:49 PM
Mar 2017

Fossils from the Hadean period? I was under the impression that it was difficult just to find rocks that old.

Marthe48

(16,957 posts)
16. I read that the Canadian Shield has some accessible oldest rocks in the world
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 04:30 PM
Mar 2017

But not as old as those fossils. There are some other exposed rocks of the same kind, maybe Brazil and Australia?

canetoad

(17,158 posts)
26. Zircon found in rocks in Western Australia
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 08:50 PM
Mar 2017

By zapping single atoms of lead in a tiny zircon crystal from Australia, researchers have confirmed the crystal is the oldest rock fragment ever found on Earth — 4.375 billion years old, plus or minus 6 million years.
http://www.livescience.com/43584-earth-oldest-rock-jack-hills-zircon.html

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
29. Probably what I was thinking of
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 11:12 PM
Mar 2017

I have a pretty good book about fossils found in different periods/eras. There is nothing in the book pre-Archean. I can imagine micro-fossil hunters see this as the holy grail.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
23. Wow! I'm gonna follow this story
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 05:31 PM
Mar 2017

Amazing news. I don't think scientists thought life formed shortly after the oceans formed. This is huge.

Science!

jetcat

(37 posts)
25. A problematic claim. While the bacterial speculation has some basis in prior findings,
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 08:03 PM
Mar 2017

there's also a pretty good chance these structures are in the family of self-assembling iron oxyhydroxide tubes. See, e.g., http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/472/2195/20160466

canetoad

(17,158 posts)
27. Yeah, that makes sense too
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 08:55 PM
Mar 2017

From your link:

We propose that some of these structures could be formed through self-assembly via an abiotic mechanism involving templated precipitation around a fluid jet, a similar mechanism to that commonly found in so-called chemical gardens.


A couple of scientist expressed skepticism towards the bottom of the original article. Hopefully the research will continue and a definitive answer is found.

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
28. So extremophiles
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 10:06 PM
Mar 2017

could have been the first life forms on earth, instead of evolving later to take advantage of tough neighborhoods. Makes sense, since the early earth wasn't nearly the garden spot it is today. Life may not have needed Darwin's warm little pond. In my mind, that increases the likelihood of extraterrestrial life forms outside the goldilocks zones. Makes you wonder what just might be under the ice of Europa and Enceladus.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
31. Yes, it's been believed for some time that extremophiles led the way.
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:34 AM
Mar 2017

We are the children of extremophiles. Apparently there are still many among us. The Reputin party seems to love extremists - doesn't that make them extremophiles?

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
32. lol!
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 05:34 PM
Mar 2017

Rethugs? That's insulting to extremophiles. Maybe idiotophiles? To not insult any other life form, I think they're a domain unto themselves....Rethugea.

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