Ryan On Millions Losing Care: 'Never Going To Win A Coverage Beauty Contest'

[DonViejo]

Source: Talking Points Memo



By MATT SHUHAM Published MARCH 10, 2017, 10:10 AM EDT

House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) admitted Friday that the Congressional Budget Office will likely estimate that millions of people would lose health insurance under the GOP's proposed health care bill. But he said that the the bill wasn’t meant to address the “beauty contest” of increasing coverage.

“We always know, you’re never going to win a coverage beauty contest when it’s free market versus government mandates,” Ryan told radio host Hugh Hewitt, after Hewitt floated the possibility that the CBO would estimate 15 million people will lose health insurance because of the American Health Care Act.

He was referring in part to the Obamacare's mandate that individuals purchase insurance, and the tax penalties it imposes on those who don't. But the law also provides more government assistance to buy care than the Republicans' alternative, which provides tax credits based mostly on age.

“If the government says, ‘Thou shall buy our health insurance,’ the government estimates are going to say people will comply and it will happen. And when you replace that with, ‘We’re going to have a free market and you buy what you want to buy,’ they’re going to say not nearly as many people are going to do that,” Ryan continued. “That’s just going to happen. And so you’ll have those coverage estimates. We assume that’s going to happen. That’s not our goal. Our goal is not to show a pretty piece of paper that says, ‘We’re mandating great things for Americans.’

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[Fast Walker 52]

1. WTF!!!!! What a freaking psychopath!!!!

The Dems HAVE to make this into a commercial and take back the house over this obscene crap.

[Cosmocat]

14. That was some bizarre free association type babbling

Just their way of talking to their pods to keep them entranced.

To anyone with any reason ...

WTF?

[Renew Deal]

2. Does Ryan support drunk driving laws?

Or any laws for that matter?

[dalton99a]

7. He supports the law that gives him taxpayer-funded medical care

[jodymarie aimee]

12. we have folks in Wisconsin

on their 8 DUI, so no!!

[Fast Walker 52]

3. oh, link is missing

[christx30]

13. Oh, I agree completely.

Ryan is the missing link. He's barely human.

[Fast Walker 52]

26. hah! There are many more in his species, sadly

[Blue Idaho]

4. The truth is Ryan has never really cared

If millions lose access to health care. It's all part of their heartless world view.

[Javaman]

18. sociopaths are like that. nt

[bdamomma]

20. but it's really

something that He has health care doesn't it??? this is the same guy who didn't show up for this constituents Town Halls.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Oh no, he cares, and cares deeply.

He has dedicated his public service life to TAKING what we have from us.

He cares deeply about that. And his supporters are about to find that out. They wont learn though until they are fucking dead, and Ryan will make sure some of them are very soon.

MADNESS

[not fooled]

32. Will someone from his district

please enlighten us as to WHY the voters in Janesville and environs keep re-electing this sociopath???

WTF is the matter with them??

Don't they know what he wants to do to Social Security and Medicare?

Or are they just dumb? And consequently buy into his BS?

[vlyons]

29. Ryan and the whole damn republican party see humans

as either profit centers to extract money, or profit losses to limit profits. He's an Ayn Rander. Ya know, "The virtue of Selfisness" and all that.

[Blue Idaho]

34. It's a shame their ideology

Blinds them to the utter failure of that world view. By now there has been plenty of time to watch these ideas catastrophically fail in the world of human experience - yet they insist on blindly following a woman who's own life was a complete disaster.

[dalton99a]

5. Nice linkage of medical care to beauty contest

Disgusting POS.

[secondwind]

6. Let's yank healthcare coverage for him and his family... see how he likes it!

[hollowdweller]

8. And after going on and on about how ACA has failed consumers

Important for our side to show this is more about ideology than coverage or affordability.

[TBA]

11. It "fails" because it mandates.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

9. He's a true disciple of Ayn Rand. nt

[TBA]

10. Free Market Health Care!

Ideally, they would like to get the Government out of health care all together.

But why stop there? Free market education (in the works)! Free market law enforcement! Free market prisons (also a favorite)! Free market food inspections (or better yet, none at all)! Free market infrastructure (tolls tolls tolls)! etc. etc. etc.

[3catwoman3]

15. For bad callouses on your feet, you can see...

...a podiatrist.

Who can Paul Ryan and all his buddies go to about the callouses on their hearts/souls.

What a shitty thing to say

[stopbush]

16. Since when did the government start selling health insurance?

[hibbing]

25. I noticed that too..."our health insurance"

The money and the subsidies go to private, for profit insurance companies. This is such bullshit.


Peace

[Javaman]

17. he is one sick fucking prick. nt

[FreeStateDemocrat]

19. My sentiments exactly, his mommy must be proud!

[karynnj]

21. I think the way we have to fight it is to get an estimate of the % of people losing insurance, who

are angry they are losing the ability to get it.

What Ryan, in his best Ayn Rand inspired voice, is saying is that the number will go down because people will be freed from having to buy healt insurance. To his base, this actually makes sense.

You could say that some people are motivated to get health insurance ONLY because they are required to do so. Now, we could go back to the 2008 debate on mandates. The alternative, which was never fleshed out, was that if you did not buy the insurance in the window when it started and had no other insurance, the cost to buy in - when you needed it - would have to be high enough to discourage people from gaming the system. Without one of these two things, insurance would not work.

From some estimates, 15 million people will lose health insurance. I am willing to bet that a large % of those people will not be happy that they no longer have to buy insurance. It also will mean that the costs for uninsured medical care - much of which the government ultimately pays - will increase as these people become ill.

[Mc Mike]

22. Looks like schizo Ryan's Ayn Rand persona is coming to the fore, again.

He'll call up the 'devout catholic' personality tomorrow, when he moves some anti-choice legislation forward through Congress.

He's a bircher.

[BeyondGeography]

23. But Trump said everyone will be beautifully covered

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

Republican leaders have said that they will not strand people who gained insurance under the ACA without coverage. But it remains unclear from either Trump’s comments in the interview or recent remarks by GOP leaders on Capitol Hill how they intend to accomplish that.

For conservative Republicans dubious about his pledge to ensure coverage for millions, Trump pointed to several interviews he gave during the campaign in which he promised to “not have people dying on the street.”

“It’s not going to be their plan,” he said of people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he said Saturday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trump-interview-822pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.c287e6208b67

I'm sure Hugh Hewitt fired this right back at him. Would have made for one helluva follow-up question. Right? Right?

[meadowlander]

24. Then maybe you should STFU about the ACA and let government do what government is there to do...

ensure the basic needs and rights of its citizens.

[spiderpig]

28. Mr. "I benefited from Social Security but now want to deny it to others"?

I can't stand looking at his stupid Muppet face. (No offense to actual Muppets).

[Turbineguy]

30. 'Never Going To Win A Coverage Beauty Contest'

Code for "Fuck 'em!"

[TexasBushwhacker]

31. Does he support laws mandating that drivers carry liability insurance? n/t

[Kablooie]

33. He's made it clear it's all about cutting expenses and giving the savings to the rich.

It has nothing to do with creating healthcare for more people.