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groundloop

(11,519 posts)
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 01:47 PM Mar 2017

Budget Includes ATC Privatization

Source: AvWeb

President Donald Trump’s new budget includes privatization of air traffic control. The document tabled Thursday in Washington contains an outright endorsement of privatization as a move that “would benefit the flying public and taxpayers overall.” The airline industry has been lobbying non stop since Trump’s election for the formation of a non-profit corporation to run the national airspace system controlled by a board of directors dominated by airline representatives. Most general aviation groups have vigorously opposed privatization, saying it would amount to handing the nation’s airspace over to the airlines, something the airlines themselves have suggested is accurate.

The budget calls for a “multi-year reauthorization proposal to shift the air traffic control function of the Federal Aviation Administration [FAA] to an independent, non-governmental organization, making the system more efficient and innovative while maintaining safety.” It drew immediate support from long-time privatization supporter Rep. Bill Shuster (R-PA), the chairman of Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. The committee proposed similar legislation last year but it was stalled by Senate opposition. “The inclusion of this good government infrastructure proposal shows that the president is truly focused on changing the way Washington works,” said Shuster, who has close ties to Aviation 4 America, the national group representing U.S. airlines.

The committee proposal met intense opposition from most aviation groups although AOPA, the largest of them, said it was open to discussing the move as long as it didn't result in user fees, something it has frequently stated that it flatly opposes. The Trump administration is apparently ready to go through the due diligence part of implementing the program. Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao is apparently planning to travel to Ottawa, Canada to meet with leaders of NavCanada, the non-profit corporation that has run the airspace north of the border and over the North Atlantic for 20 years. NavCanada charges most light aircraft operators in Canada a flat fee of $68 a year for access to all but the country’s 10 busiest airports. Commercial operators pay for access on a fee-for-service basis and are billed for air traffic control services.

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Privatizing our Air Traffic Control system has been big airlines wet dream for years. It would reduce costs for the airlines, increase costs for everyone else (business aviation, private pilots, etc.), and increase the use of non-government contractors in air-traffic control towers. In my experience these contract controllers are not as proficient as those employed by the FAA.
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Budget Includes ATC Privatization (Original Post) groundloop Mar 2017 OP
What could go wrong? nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #1
Privatizing prisons has worked out so well, right? Phoenix61 Mar 2017 #3
Yep, I'm thinking that this is being done not just for the usual make the rich richer reasons. lark Mar 2017 #17
That's the day I stop flying. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #2
My thoughts exactly. DK504 Mar 2017 #13
Socialize the costs, privatize the profits n/t hibbing Mar 2017 #4
Greedy Republicans want to privatize every service provided by the gov that isn't nailed down. vlyons Mar 2017 #5
Yes Yes! jazzcat23 Mar 2017 #24
read the book COLLISION COURSE for a great history of the Reagan/PATCO event and history of TeamPooka Mar 2017 #6
Dumbass Ronnie rolled the dice and got lucky that time. mobeau69 Mar 2017 #9
Reagan fired them and everyone said that's when he "became President" TeamPooka Mar 2017 #11
The day Reagan fired the controllers......... mrmpa Mar 2017 #14
That's a GREAT thing for Amtrak!! n/t TygrBright Mar 2017 #7
Except its budget is being cut too. mwooldri Mar 2017 #19
They want to eliminate long distance train travel. xxqqqzme Mar 2017 #23
The proposal is full of the usual repug buzzwords that mean nothing. louis-t Mar 2017 #8
Plane crashes will shoot up. muntrv Mar 2017 #10
great.. WE DEFINITELY want cost-cutting annabanana Mar 2017 #12
Privatize leads to profitize. kimbutgar Mar 2017 #15
Board meeting of Air Traffic Control Enterprises, LLC.: Aristus Mar 2017 #16
Will offer my take, a current ATC bluevoter4life Mar 2017 #18
great way to stop people flying. JHan Mar 2017 #20
The first thing I thought of was the Uberlingen crash jmowreader Mar 2017 #21
Who head the FAA now? xxqqqzme Mar 2017 #22

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
3. Privatizing prisons has worked out so well, right?
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 01:56 PM
Mar 2017

My forehead is going to be flat by the time 45 leaves office.

lark

(23,099 posts)
17. Yep, I'm thinking that this is being done not just for the usual make the rich richer reasons.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 05:32 PM
Mar 2017

Of course, I'm sure that's part of it, but not all, I bet. Wonder if he's trying to make it easier to infiltrate Russian agents into America? Next thought, OMG, what if this is the prelude to a terrorism attack? You know that's all orange assface needs to declare martial law,and shred the constitution by declaring us now Trumpland, since America was destroyed by terrorists. Let's see, a Russian agent who was born in Iran or even better yet Syria could certainly cause devastation, especially at pour insecure nuclear plants.

mnhtnbb

(31,388 posts)
2. That's the day I stop flying.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 01:55 PM
Mar 2017

I don't want ATC run to maximize the bottom line. To see how little they can pay controllers and how many hours they can make them work.

Fu*k that idea.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
5. Greedy Republicans want to privatize every service provided by the gov that isn't nailed down.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 01:57 PM
Mar 2017

Can the interstate highway system be far behind? We the people are simply profit centers for them to exploit.

jazzcat23

(176 posts)
24. Yes Yes!
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:49 PM
Mar 2017

As a matter of fact, I recently heard Elaine Chao wanting to make a ton of privatized roads, so they turn into toll roads. That. my friends, is the infrastructure they are planning. No matter how they try to make it look good, we all end up paying twice as much for everything.

TeamPooka

(24,226 posts)
6. read the book COLLISION COURSE for a great history of the Reagan/PATCO event and history of
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:03 PM
Mar 2017

PATCO, the union he broke after they endorsed him for President.
by Joe McCartin

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
14. The day Reagan fired the controllers.........
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:26 PM
Mar 2017

is the first time I heard my Dad say "fuck" as in "fuck him" referring to Reagan

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
19. Except its budget is being cut too.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:10 PM
Mar 2017

My sarcasm detection system is on the blink... While a private air traffic control system might marginally help rail's image, the anti-christian, anti-working class Trump budget isn't helping Amtrak any.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
23. They want to eliminate long distance train travel.
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:32 AM
Mar 2017

Which effectively means I get to stay put. Too many injuries from a auto accident make air travel impossible for me.

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
8. The proposal is full of the usual repug buzzwords that mean nothing.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:09 PM
Mar 2017

"Efficient and innovative"? And of course, "safety". Like fracking. Add "choices and flexibility" and it is the perfect bullshit proposal we always get from them.

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
15. Privatize leads to profitize.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:32 PM
Mar 2017

I guess he has someone who will give his sons a contract to make this so. How friggin stupid to turn over this to a private company. Employees can be bribed to turn a blind eye and hire substandard workers at lower costs.

Aristus

(66,361 posts)
16. Board meeting of Air Traffic Control Enterprises, LLC.:
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:58 PM
Mar 2017

"Gentlemen,

Our profits have been surging, and this is good. However, our shareholders tell us that profits are not surging fast enough to make them happy. So I would like to propose the following operational changes:

1. Elimination of paid rest breaks. If our air traffic controllers want to rest, they should do it on their own time.

2. No mandatory down time or shift turnaround time. They're sitting down and staring at a screen all day. By God, my grandson does that, and we don't pay him.

3. Reduce pay for all ATC's to minimum wage. Sitting down and staring at a screen is something anyone can do, even my grandson. Why pay competitive wages for that?

4. Fire all full-time ATC's, and re-hire them at part-time status, no matter how many hours they work. In this company, 'benefits' means: you have a job and a paycheck. You benefit from that.

5. Eliminate the weekend. What? People don't fly on the weekends? Get those ATC's in their chairs on Saturday and Sunday, and tell them to stop crying like a bunch of sissy-la-la's.

6. Lock all ATC's on-shift in the control tower until their shift ends. You can't trust them to be working to maximum efficiency if they can come and go as they please.

7. Eliminate all office-sponsored holiday parties, Christmas, New Year, July 4th, etc. We're not Party Universe. We're a real business. Let them party on their own time. Here, they work.

8. We are already in the process of eliminating health coverage. It's a tremendous waste of potential profit. If they get sick, they should die quickly so we can fill their slot with a new hire. Don't forget: We are the job creators.

I think this is a good start. Any additional ideas on boosting profits will be appreciated.

Meeting adjourned.

Hail Ayn!

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
21. The first thing I thought of was the Uberlingen crash
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:22 PM
Mar 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Überlingen_mid-air_collision

A Russian passenger plane and a DHL cargo plane flying intersecting routes were put on the same altitude by a privatized air traffic controller. When the TCAS in both planes (a little black box on your airplane that's supposed to keep you from flying into other people) told one plane to climb and the other to descend, the privatized ATC told the plane ordered to climb to descend instead. A crash that killed everyone aboard both planes followed.
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