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brooklynite

(94,517 posts)
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:13 AM Mar 2017

Sears has 'substantial doubt' that it can survive

Source: CNN

After years of huge losses and store closings, the future is officially in doubt for Sears and Kmart.

Sears Holdings (SHLD), the holding company for the two iconic retail brands, warned investors late Tuesday that it can't promise it will stay in business.

It included the language in its annual report while insisting it might still turn things around.

"Our historical operating results indicate substantial doubt exists related to the company's ability to continue as a going concern," said the statement.

Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/22/news/companies/sears-kmart-future/index.html

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Sears has 'substantial doubt' that it can survive (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2017 OP
Randian philosophy at work bigworld Mar 2017 #1
Good link. Thanks. nt fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #5
Randian philosophy at work : anti-christian nut job Dorn Mar 2017 #9
wow--great link. I had been watching the decline of sears through our two local stores for over niyad Mar 2017 #21
Re: Paul Ryan TexasBushwhacker Mar 2017 #22
I have no idea how either Sears or Kmart reasonably expects to turn things around. PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #2
So true. It's sad but once they got rid of kenmore, I had little use for them. yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #4
I blame Trump eom Friend or Foe Mar 2017 #3
Sears / KMart have been in decline a LONG time bigworld Mar 2017 #8
Nope, just like the repukes did: anything bad that happens while he is in office gopiscrap Mar 2017 #12
I saw it coming in the late 70's..... Bengus81 Mar 2017 #15
Oh, man Cosmocat Mar 2017 #17
Ironically, the Sears card was the first piece of credit a lot of people could get. brooklynite Mar 2017 #24
I was able to get one when I was in graduate school, and it was Tanuki Mar 2017 #38
My first job (besides babysitting) was in 1967 in Sears catalog department duhneece Mar 2017 #6
Very sad, another American institution may be folding. iluvtennis Mar 2017 #7
Not terribly sad; they're an awful store Recursion Mar 2017 #11
They used to be a great store HelenWheels Mar 2017 #19
Loved their catalog in the 50's. As a kid, I used to moonscape Mar 2017 #34
We used to make DIY paper dolls by cutting out the ads! Tanuki Mar 2017 #39
I think a lot of people have very fond memories of sears Mosby Mar 2017 #20
I.do too SouthernIrish Mar 2017 #28
Writing was on the wall when they sold Craftsman in January Recursion Mar 2017 #10
Downtown Minneapolis Macys closed Sunday...the flagship location, at that. Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #13
That was Dayton's Randomthought Mar 2017 #14
Yeah it used to be Dayton's Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #16
The circle of life Cosmocat Mar 2017 #18
Don't care. I have bad recent memories of shopping there. Boomerproud Mar 2017 #23
Delay delay delay... durablend Mar 2017 #25
"Seagull management" to blame? Worktodo Mar 2017 #37
Sears and kmart MFM008 Mar 2017 #26
A new book for sale soon flyingfysh Mar 2017 #27
Thanks Trump... clementine613 Mar 2017 #29
And the wheel turns... WheelWalker Mar 2017 #30
Craftsman Tools bpj62 Mar 2017 #31
Sears used to be the go to place to find quality tools and fixtures and appliances. They were great nikibatts Mar 2017 #32
Sears and Kmart need to set up online operations quickly. democratisphere Mar 2017 #33
It is very sad Danmel Mar 2017 #35
Yes, kids clothes Freddie Mar 2017 #36
They have a generous rewards program-practically giving things away wishstar Mar 2017 #40

Dorn

(523 posts)
9. Randian philosophy at work : anti-christian nut job
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:29 AM
Mar 2017

I think the best story about Sears is that Lampert it up to compete against itself: home goods vs video games vs woman clothing vs hardware etc. One Mother's day, their weekend sales flyer was devoted to video games.

niyad

(113,279 posts)
21. wow--great link. I had been watching the decline of sears through our two local stores for over
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 02:10 PM
Mar 2017

a decade--quite frankly, surprised they have lasted this long.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
22. Re: Paul Ryan
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:28 PM
Mar 2017

"Even Rand acolyte Paul Ryan (R-Wis) is now distancing himself, calling his well-documented enthusiasm an “urban legend.”

Seriously? He gave a speech to the Atlas Society that's taped and available on YouTube. He said he made all of his staff and interns read Atlas Shrugged and other Rand gems.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. I have no idea how either Sears or Kmart reasonably expects to turn things around.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:20 AM
Mar 2017

There seem to be much better shopping options.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
4. So true. It's sad but once they got rid of kenmore, I had little use for them.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:23 AM
Mar 2017

Now my appliances are From another store.

bigworld

(1,807 posts)
8. Sears / KMart have been in decline a LONG time
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:12 AM
Mar 2017

This is one thing I can't blame on Trump. It's general mismanagement by the company.Anyone who has been in their stores in the past 10 years could see this coming.

gopiscrap

(23,758 posts)
12. Nope, just like the repukes did: anything bad that happens while he is in office
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:54 AM
Mar 2017

is the republicans fault. They bought the farm, they own it!

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
15. I saw it coming in the late 70's.....
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 11:34 AM
Mar 2017

Tried to buy a chainsaw using a regular credit card. NOPE...had to be a SEARS card or no dice. Screw em....drove a few miles out of my way and bought elsewhere WITH my CC. Then the silly crap of putting the SEARS name embolden on electronics such as VCR's,receivers etc. Sorry Sears,guys don't want YOUR name staring at them,they want the manufacturers name. Five minutes worth of marketing research would have told you that.

Pfffttt.........Sears is just another huge Corporation who just knew they had the US and the World by the nuts and you'd always come crawling back to them if you got PO'd. Seriously,I can't believe they are still operating.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
17. Oh, man
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 01:12 PM
Mar 2017

I TRY to support our Sears, but I have never dealt with a retail outlet that made it painfully hard to PAY them.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
38. I was able to get one when I was in graduate school, and it was
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 06:58 AM
Mar 2017

also good for Budget rent-a-car in those days.

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
6. My first job (besides babysitting) was in 1967 in Sears catalog department
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:44 AM
Mar 2017

I worked in El Paso Texas when I was 16, attended high school and was in the DECA program. Funny, peculiar, nostalgic, sad feelings at this news.

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
19. They used to be a great store
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 01:25 PM
Mar 2017

In the 1950's to the 1970's I shopped there often. I purchased appliances, lawn mowers, paint, clothes among other items.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
34. Loved their catalog in the 50's. As a kid, I used to
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:09 PM
Mar 2017

dog-ear it - toys, clothes. I still remember a (I think) battery-operated card shuffler that I wanted in the worst way!

Mosby

(16,306 posts)
20. I think a lot of people have very fond memories of sears
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 01:46 PM
Mar 2017

When I was a kid it was one of my favorite stores, there really was nothing like it in Phoenix due to it's expansive product offerings, the park central store even had a diner inside.

SouthernIrish

(512 posts)
28. I.do too
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:52 PM
Mar 2017

I remember as a child in the 60's and 70's, pouring over the huge Christmas Wish Book every year. We would have it in tatters in just a few days.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. Writing was on the wall when they sold Craftsman in January
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:31 AM
Mar 2017

You don't sell your flagship line unless you're in dire straits.

Kimchijeon

(1,606 posts)
13. Downtown Minneapolis Macys closed Sunday...the flagship location, at that.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 11:20 AM
Mar 2017

So this is a reminder, end of an era.

Kind of does make me a little sad and nostalgic.

Kimchijeon

(1,606 posts)
16. Yeah it used to be Dayton's
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 01:09 PM
Mar 2017

And it's right next to the flagship Target downtown. Guess I was under the impression the Target/Macy's downtown Mpls were the flagship stores. End of an era for sure.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
18. The circle of life
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 01:15 PM
Mar 2017

My hometown, the country seat had a classic bustling downtown with all the individually owned stores, I have those little vague memories of my very young years going downtown with family to buy things.

THEN, a mall came in on one side of town and really put a hit on downtown, then one came in on the other side and killed it, dead.

NOW, Box stores and online shopping has killed the first mall and is choking out the second one.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
23. Don't care. I have bad recent memories of shopping there.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:48 PM
Mar 2017

NO customer service whatsoever. They cut their out throat. Buh Bye.

durablend

(7,460 posts)
25. Delay delay delay...
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:38 PM
Mar 2017

*My* personal opinion, most of us know that Fast Eddie had no plan to reorganize the company and this is just a protracted liquidation of the chain. I get the feeling they pushed it as long as possible until the right political climate was in place where he ends up getting off scot-free (and makes a ton of money in the process) once the chain goes under. You really think Drumpf is going to go after him for anything?

Worktodo

(288 posts)
37. "Seagull management" to blame?
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:34 PM
Mar 2017

I'm partial to your view, but what a roundabout way of extracting value. Maybe the REIT turns over a good profit at some point. How long will that take? The mistakes here may just be mismanagement-- an inability to confront key issues and focus on a coherent path forward.

The first key problem for Sears IMHO has been an identity crisis-- is it an appliance store, clothing store, hardware and home improvement? Electronics? Outdoors? Shopping club? High end, discount, or "value"? What's the online component?

The second key problem is execution. What's the in store experience? Where are the registers?

The last time I was in a sears I might have bought something but I was in a hurry, couldn't find the registers, and the Sears "Shop Your Way" signage made that sound like a trudge. I shopped my way to a different store.



flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
27. A new book for sale soon
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:50 PM
Mar 2017

"The Decline and Fall of Sears"

I haven't yet heard of anyone writing such a book, but it's only a matter of time.

bpj62

(999 posts)
31. Craftsman Tools
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:29 PM
Mar 2017

I have a friend who goes to estate sales and he looks for old Craftsman Tools that were made is the U.S. The quality of thier tools went downhill when they started making them in China. The mall downbthe road from my house has a Sears as one of the original anchor stores. They recently closed the top floor and moved everything down to the lower floor with the exception of the Auto Department which they closed. It is amazing that a little over a hundred years ago Sears was selling complete homes to people and now they can't sell a wrench to anyone. They just never adjusted thier business model. I have a snow thrower that I bought from Sesrs 14 years ago and it still works great.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
32. Sears used to be the go to place to find quality tools and fixtures and appliances. They were great
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:47 PM
Mar 2017

with their service, return policies, and customer help. Sad to see them go.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
33. Sears and Kmart need to set up online operations quickly.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:48 PM
Mar 2017

Many Americans prefer to shop online from their home, so if they won't go to the store, bring the store to them. Walmart did it, Sears and Kmart can do it too!

Danmel

(4,913 posts)
35. It is very sad
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:23 PM
Mar 2017

I used to shop there when my kids were young. They had a "kidvantage" program that gave you discounts, which was very helpful when they were growing out of their clothes every few months.
I also used to get their portraits done at the Sears studios.

Sears was the first store to give me a credit card too. I was in graduate school in Boston and Jordan Marsh turned me down, but Sears gave me a credit card. Sad that Sears looks like it's going to join Jordan Marsh.

I feel for their employees. They are the ones who will be hurt the most.

Freddie

(9,265 posts)
36. Yes, kids clothes
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:34 PM
Mar 2017

When my kids were little in the 90's used to get all their clothes at Sears. Great sales (I remember Kidvantage) and nice quality. Used to get most of DH and my clothes there too. Furniture, appliances and of course tools. Even back then word was never use the auto dept as they'd talk you into repairs you don't need.

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
40. They have a generous rewards program-practically giving things away
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 07:36 AM
Mar 2017

I don't see how they make any profit off customers like me who make the most of their free points. I often get emails with offers such as $10 off a $10 purchase (their offers expire quickly though). When I get a less generous offer, if I wait a week or so, they send another email offering more points with a lower or no required purchase price. I hope they hang on a few more years for customers like me and for their employees.

We have shopped so much at Sears and Kmart over past 2 years to restock all our household bedding, towels and clothing and small kitchen appliances either free or for an incredibly low price. Their store brand clothes are good quality and we have even found some well made and durable Kmart shoes as good as what other stores sell for 4 times as much (Sears has name brands). Online shipping is always free if picked up at a Sears or Kmart. If it takes them more than 5 minutes to find your online ordered merchandise, you get a $5 coupon. My Sears recently re-arranged checkouts to be more convenient.

This announcement seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy because it discourages customers from buying larger Kenmore and Sears appliances if they think their service and warranty programs will disappear.

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