Angry over U.S. healthcare fail, Trump voters spare him blame

[riversedge]

Source: reuters



http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20170326&t=2&i=1178079361&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=780&pl=468&sq=&r=LYNXMPED2P0AU
Demonstrators send off white doves from the beach as they protest in support of U.S. President Donald Trump during a rally in Huntington Beach, California, U.S., March 25, 2017. REUTERS/Patrick T. Fallon



By Letitia Stein | NEW PORT RICHEY, Fla.

The day after the flaming out of U.S. President Donald Trump's first major legislative initiative, his supporters across America were lashing out - at conservatives, at Democrats, at leaders of his Republican Party in Congress.

Only Trump himself was spared their wrath.

Many voters who elected him appeared largely willing to give him a pass on the collapse of his campaign promise to overhaul the U.S. healthcare system, stressing his short time in office.

"Being a businessman, he'll not take 'no' for an answer," said Tony Nappi, a 71-year-old from Trinity, Florida, one of the many disappointed Republicans on his weekend softball team. "He'll get the job done."
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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obamacare-trump-supporters-idUSKBN16X005

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I am not surprised his hardcore fans do not blame him. not at all

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. Trumps skill is not deal-making with powerful counterparts. It is duping gullible victims.

David Frum tweet:‏   "Regular reminder that Donald Trump’s core competency is not dealmaking with powerful counter-parties. It is duping gullible victims."

[dalton99a]

4. His purpose in life is to lie, cheat, and steal

[Alice11111]

33. Frum's words are incisive. DT said he could shoot someone

On 5th Avenue, and not lose his supporters. Seems to be that it's still holding true. They are loyal, bound by their fear, anger, racism and ignorant trust.

It's a circular argument. He is the big, bold strong man standing up to all of the traditional institutions or leaders; everytime he loses, they blame it on those people, institutions or whomever treated him unfairly. They rise up to support him even more.

[Adrahil]

58. DU Rec. NT

[Kittycow]

2. They can't admit that toot-toot flamed out!

Admitting that would mean they as individuals were wrong about his wondrous abilities.

[C Moon]

3. Changed my mind.

I know see the point to the article.

[NCjack]

5. A true leader would embrace the loss as his alone,

and spare all others the stigma. Instead, #45 distributes to all, as broadly as possible, but none for himself. The next time he needs partners, they will run and hide from him. That's why we have leaders. They accept the praise for winning and the derision for losing. #45 is a fake president and the real loser.

[Orrex]

7. It's the American business model

Socialize failure and capitalize success.

[Fast Walker 52]

22. he's also a narcissistic asshole who can't admit he messed up

he's a terrible leader, and has no idea how to negotiate in politics. He's not going to accomplish anything significant in his hopefully brief presidency.

[Orrex]

6. Cultists don't dare doubt their beloved leader

[progree]

8. I'm sure though that they pegged him down a few notches -- he's no longer totally Mr. Magic

I think a lot of the Trump voters thought he was going to magically solve their problems -- besides fix healthcare, he's going to bring back coal-mining jobs to Appalachia and manufacturing jobs to the rust belt, fix the trade balance, cut all our taxes, bring back 4% economic growth ...

Given his business skills and all that... well, there is no way anyone can think as highly of his deal-making and his "get-it-doneness" after this crash and burn. Especially with having a considerable House majority of the same party.

They may tell reporters and pollsters how great he is, but deep down I'm sure most of them are starting to entertain some grave doubts.
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[Fast Walker 52]

23. there are clips of him saying over and over how he will quickly fix healthcare and make it so much

better and cheaper and so forth. I guess his supporters just don't take any of his bluster seriously.

[NRaleighLiberal]

9. his hard core followers are lost and brain dead.

[geek tragedy]

10. Trump is not on the ballot in 2018. The people the Republicans they're pissed at are. nt

[KewlKat]

11. the Con clearly shot the nation in the face and his rabid base does not care.

Can we please remind him once again, HE DID NOT WIN THE POPULAR VOTE, but A LOT! We did not have a team of ruskies at our aid, nor would we have accepted their help. I pray everyday that this fraud will be removed from office along with all those in his campaign and party that participated in the cyber war against the US and her election via Ru$$ia. Maybe they all come to know the pain they have caused OUR country as it apparently was not theirs.

[Alice11111]

37. Yeah, instead of us looking for places to move, let's drive

Them out. I'm ashamed to be an American under DT.

The problem is these RW freaks live in the most conservative country, and the most consevative parts of that country in the free Western world. There is no where else for them to go that is more RW to espouse their values of hate, Racism, and every other deplorable attribute they hold so dear.

[dhill926]

12. fecking idiots....

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. Trump can never fail. He can only be failed. (nt)

[Mc Mike]

14. Release the doves...

[Tatiana]

15. Again, how did these people get so stupid? Especially the older ones.

"Being a businessman, he'll not take 'no' for an answer," said Tony Nappi, a 71-year-old from Trinity, Florida, one of the many disappointed Republicans on his weekend softball team. "He'll get the job done."

"He can't wave a magic wand," said Ramona Bourdo, 70, a retired nurse, eating breakfast at a McDonald's in suburban Little Rock, Arkansas.

82-year-old Jeanette Madison: "I blame the Democrats and Republicans in Congress. They are a bunch of bastards. I'm just fed up," she said, apologizing for colorful language as she walked her dog down a city street.

Apparently, the only person who thinks Trump shares some blame in the fiasco is Joel Martin, a 21-year-old Republican and Trump supporter:

"I think it's partially his fault...I don't think he has enough personal knowledge to do what he needs to do to get a healthcare bill through Congress."

I think we can try to reach out the Joel Martin-type Trump supporters. They are young, not set in their ways, and have some ability to reason and use logic. The other deplorables, sadly, are lost causes. We just have to outnumber them at the polls.

[MarcA]

19. They have no regard for reality, substance or truth.

[Jonny Appleseed]

30. Young Trump supporters will grow out of it

it's pretty much a national frat culture for them. When they get to their senior year they'll be like "enough, time to get serious". The older ones are true lunatics all the way.

[Tatiana]

43. Good point.

Many solid Democrats started off as Republicans in their youth. I have to believe that a solid education along with critical thinking skills and some common sense will lead these young Trumpistas to come around eventually.

The young ones are, in many ways, the group with the most to lose. They're graduating college with a mountain of debt and fewer well-paying job prospects than a generation ago. The American Dream is just that -- a dream, and not reality for non-wealthy youth. Trump will only make that worse, especially rolling back the student loan provisions Obama put in place to give graduates some breathing room.

[Alice11111]

38. Good examplrs of where we need to put our time &resources

[JudyM]

16. "being a businessman, he'll not take no for an answer." What's with the reverence for businessmen?

Are they viewed as having more integrity in their commitments? or more diligence?

[klook]

29. "He must've worked on this for 7 or 8 days!

Give the poor guy a break!"

Then all the doves floundered into the sea and were eaten by sharks.

[JudyM]

32. Prolly not much more than 7-8 hours.

[left-of-center2012]

17. "The buck stops ..."

Somewhere other than Trump's Oval Office desk.

[FakeNoose]

18. It really was Paul Ryan's baby after all

Ryan wrote most of this "healthcare" bill and it was mostly put together even before Trump was the GOP candidate.

So you know, it's easy for Trump to blame the fiasco on Ryan, or somebody else.

What does he care about healthcare for poor people, anyway? The only thing that bothers Trump is the fact that Obama's name is on Obamacare. But hell, the Republicans were the ones who came up with that name.

[KittyWampus]

20. His hardcore fans have FOX News, Rush and Breitbart going 24/7 to keep the illusion going.

They are truly mindfucked.

[Alice11111]

39. Sad, but I agree 100pc

[Oneironaut]

24. Our dear leader said it, so it must be true!

By the way, what kind of leader passes the blame onto his followers? Coward move! No regret, or promise to try harder - just blame and sour grapes!

I'll bet Trump did this to his employees too. Being able to artfully throw people under the bus so that you come out looking good is a talent, but that doesn't mean it's a good talent.

[ck4829]

25. I thought they would

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8854424

[samnsara]

26. im sure the less rabid supporters are slowly peeling away...

.....soon he will be left with the rotten core. Then we can just toss that into the garbage

[riverbendviewgal]

27. My brother in NJ is one of them, I am sure

He also told he thought Sean Hannity should run for president.

I no longer communicate with my Trump loving RW brother.

[Alice11111]

40. I have one too. We communicate by sending photos of

Our kids. If we get beyond that, it explodes. I nick named him Iago when I was a kid.
It still fits him perfectly.
We live in different states, by design, and I was going to his upper crust home for a family memorial. He texted me and told me not to park my Lexus near his house, as it had a big OBAMANOS sticker. He said, I'm serious, we don't want to be embarrassed in front of our neighbors.
I ignored him.

[riverbendviewgal]

41. Good for you.

My brother is very scary. He has the jersey mob mentality.,

[Alice11111]

44. Mine is in Tx, and carries an open carry gun in his briefcase

He wears a red band on his hand. I thought it was a sports thing. I asked him about it. He said it means we're one...sounded like we won, through my perception. I said, you won?? What did you win. He says, I am one with Jesus. I'm not anti religion, just anti neon sign religion, or misusing it, whatever religion it is.
He just gave my 86 year old mom an expensive gun, which I'm sure she paid for, as she made him a signatory on her credit card, and gave him a card.
He's a true blood trumpster, who gets paid a lot for fitting into that rigid mindset. He will retire in 1pc. Yet, he has a likable side, and can be funny. There is always underlying tension between us, because we really hate each others values.

I can't believe we were born of the same parents. Maybe there was a hospital mistake.

Why is your brother like he is and why are you very different?

[riverbendviewgal]

46. Our differences may be because

I am deaf in one ear and have just 40% hearing in the other since I had meningitis when I was a baby. I never got a hearing aid until 30. (Cost too much when I was a child. ) I spent most of my time reading in the library and home. It is lonely being deaf but I traveled the world when I read Look, Time, Life and National Geographic. Our family never read anything but sports pages and sales ads. I was the weird one. My mother said I was weird because I would go in my room and read. I loved History, English, and Geography in school. I was profoundly affected by the movie ON THE BEACH and the trial of Adolph Eichemann in Israel. Then came the civil rights riots and protests. And then came Viet Nam and the assassinations of JFK, Bobby Kennedy and MLK. I remember the day of the Cuban crises and a neighbor running over to our house so upset. My mother was on her way out to go shopping. She was unaware of what was happening and did not care. Our poor neighbor was crying her eyes out.

I left America for Canada August 15th, 1969, my brother's birthday and Woodstock was happening. I never returned to live. I was accepted with my husbsnd as a refugee by Canada.
My brother and I were close still, but when Obama became president he changed. He watched FOX cable all the time and became a RW nut. I saw him uncoverd and a big racist like those he listened to. He hates minorities and refugees. He believes in guns for everyone. Probably has one.

Maybe if things get worse, Canada may be accepting Americans as refugees. For those interested see what kind of occupations are needed and learn french.

I love Canada. I finally fit in.

[Alice11111]

50. Lucky you, Living in Canada. I Wish I could ne a refuge!

I can work as a tracher or lawyer. Med and science is in demand though. I only speak Spanish and Emglish

I learn fast though.
Healthcare would of course be the problem. Ours has strict limitations out of the country

We actually have similar bavkgrounds. I was grounded much of my childhood and i retreated into books, mainly history and fiction. Harriott Beechet Stow. I Remember the same events well, JFK, MLK, RFK, Selma.
My father told me to stay home from school and watch our tiny black and white tv.
He said this is a time you will remember. History has changed.. You can catch up on your schoolwork later..Forever grateful.

My daughter was hearing impaired. Meningitis
A doctor now. Very difficult struggles when she was young and in college, but she controls he own ebvironment now.

[riverbendviewgal]

51. We do have similar childhood.

Your father sounds wonderful. Wish my parents had been like that.

Very awed that your daughter had hearing loss like me due to meningitis. I wanted to be a nurse but realized i did not like science. I figured my hearing losses would not be safe for patients. I had meningitis 3 times. 10 months, 2 years and 7 years old.. Did not get a hearing aid till I was 30. It is helpful but does not give me great hearing . I can't hear whispers. Could not hear my son and husband when they spoke to me as they were dying. I speech read.
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You must have family to keep you in the USA. I have 3 Trump brothers and cousins in the USA. My husband and younger son dead. Older son has manic depression in England. He will not communicate.

Life goes on.

[Alice11111]

52. Wow. My daughter had meningitis at just under 2. We were

Lucky we lived very near Scott and White Hospital at the time, a residential training facility. It is very rare, but she was diagnosed immediately, even over the phone. They told me to rush her in. As I walked into the ER, literally as the doors were opening, I was met by seven Drs and nurses, who took her immediately from my arms, without my even going through Registration. They kept her for several hours, and then she spent weeks in the hospital.
(Her father, who fortunately was away for the evening speaking, came later to the hospital, irate, that I had taken her into the hospital, without consulting him, and said he could have handled it, without getting a medical bill. We were lawyers.)

She has other hearing complications also, unrelated to her meningitis. Vestibular Aqueduct Syndrome and other things. She had a very difficult childhood for that and other reasons...divorce, single parent, much more. I tried to compensate, but it was very hard for her. In college, she had note takers, but they often did not show. She reads lips well, but many professors had foreign accents. All of school was very stressful, from very young, bullying, even into grad school. She had a special phone to call her patients, and another student stole it for spite.

I was stunned when I read your post. You have had some tragic experiences. I am very sorry those things happened in your life. You are obviously brave and resilent.

My daughter feared she could never hear her children speak. Having a cat and dog helped her, as the cat would perk up when she needed to be alerted to something. She has aids, but as you know, hearing aids are not like having glasses for sight problems. With her conditions, they do little anyway, but even a little can be a lot. She is now married with a one and a three year old daughter, and.a loving husband. The kids both speak and sign.

I would leave my trumpster relatives for Canada with no problem. Fortunately, we live in different states and long distances away. My daughter lives notth and I am south, so I might even be closer to her. Mainly, I no longer like what our country stands for, in terms of values and decency. I am with the resistance. We should give the Statue of Liberty to Canada.

[riverbendviewgal]

54. I was told the doctor gave an hour to live the first time.

I am sure there were big medical bills for me. I can relate very much to the bullying your daughter had. I am in awe she became a doctor. That was a challenge.
Whe when my son was a newborn i was so afraid of not hearing . One time I put a mirror under his nose and mouth so I could see his breathe.
It was intuitive feelings that woke me in the night when they woke up..

I am happy your daughter is happily married with two kids.

Glad you are in the resistance. I am too up here. I speak up for our refugees. Some Canadians dont want any. Thank goodness there are more kind Canadians then those. Most of my friends love Obama and the democrats. I just hope trump and his repugs don't destroy the USA.

[Alice11111]

55. Thank you for sharing your story with me.

"She persisted."

[riverbendviewgal]

56. Your welcome

I like that "she resisted".

[Alice11111]

57. I was taking about you, she persisted! That is what the

Women's Day t-shirts said. My daughter's husband gave her one.

Maybe we need one w
She Resited
She Persisted

[mdbl]

28. Tony Nappi from FloriDuh

figures.

[BlueStater]

36. I'm from Florida and I'm afraid I can't disagree with your statement.

This state has consistently disappointed throughout this entire decade. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me remotely if Governor Voldemort became our next senator.

[mdbl]

42. I apologize that it looked like I am lumping everyone in the same category

I know there are good people in that state, my siblings included. I just can't believe the majority there votes like a bunch of people in the audience of the Jim Bakker show that just left a revival led by Sean Hannity. Don't they have brains?

[llmart]

31. Christ on a cracker...

how the f*** does someone get to be 71 years old and be so damned brain dead?

[RobinA]

45. Well, First Of All

a 71 year old has no dog in the Obamacare hunt, so he can afford to exercise his hatred for it with no direct effect on himself. He might have to think a little more if he were set to lose his insurance.

[llmart]

48. That's not entirely true...

from what I understand this abomination of a law they proposed was going to require seniors to pay more. I don't know all the details. AARP came out against it, and from past experience, you don't mess with AARP if you're in congress.

I still stand by the fact that once you're that old, you've seen plenty in your lifetime and as a man of his age, the actuarial charts only give him a few more years of life span if he's lucky, so why so much negativity? Let's face it. It's not the law they hate, it's the person with his name on it, so grandly given to the law by the party that has opposed it for years.

Wait until Ryan or Trump get their greedy little hands (and I do mean "little" when it comes to trump) on Medicare.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

34. Barnum was right! n/m

[BlueStater]

35. Fuck you, brain-dead cultists.

I've seen a lot of ridiculous things in my life, but this hero worship from these bumpkins of this bloated rich boy has to be the most absurd of them all.

[Alice11111]

53. It does have a cult like feel. Any facts that contradict

his lies are seen as proof of a conspiracy by the non believers
It is mpossible to break through that circular thinking mentality.

[Alpeduez21]

47. Morons

The same crowd saying give Trump time because he is inexperienced hated Obama due to his perceived inexperience.

[ailsagirl]

49. Delusional imbeciles