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BumRushDaShow

(128,936 posts)
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 12:31 PM Jul 2017

Road rage suspect turns himself in, faces murder charges

Source: CNN

(CNN) A man accused of shooting and killing an 18-year-old woman in a case of road rage is being held without bail on murder charges after turning himself in Sunday morning, authorities said.

David Desper, 28, faces multiple charges, including first-degree murder and reckless endangerment, Chester County District Attorney Tom Hogan said.

CNN affiliate TV station WPVI tweeted a photo of Desper released by police.

/snip

Police said he shot Bianca Nikol Roberson after he became angry as their vehicles were merging on the same lane of a highway Wednesday evening in West Goshen, Pennsylvania, just west of Philadelphia.





Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/02/us/pa-deadly-road-rage-arrest/index.html



Add'l link - http://www.philly.com/philly/news/police-flooded-with-tips-on-road-rage-killing-of-bianca-roberson-18-20170701.html

This was just senseless.
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Road rage suspect turns himself in, faces murder charges (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 OP
Thanks for posting this. I hope he has a long, long stay in jail. raccoon Jul 2017 #1
Oh I dont mind him getting parole one day like when he is in his 80s that way cstanleytech Jul 2017 #13
Glad he turned himself in... ailsagirl Jul 2017 #2
Texting... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2017 #12
Because he allowed anger to cloud his judgement and because of that he now will be going to prison cstanleytech Jul 2017 #14
This exactly Egnever Jul 2017 #34
Ease up there Eg, most gun owners are clearly not like this guy cstanleytech Jul 2017 #45
Most are not like this guy, until they are like this guy CanonRay Jul 2017 #62
Thats true of people who dont have a license to own a gun and have one on them to though. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #65
That's why they need to make a strong example out of this guy. EL34x4 Jul 2017 #61
Because the loaded gun was right there when he felt anger. sinkingfeeling Jul 2017 #15
Bingo. n/t paleotn Jul 2017 #16
That's it. yardwork Jul 2017 #37
This is the answer. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2017 #46
Gun nut and black girl that he felt was getting in his space JI7 Jul 2017 #52
Hang him high. lark Jul 2017 #3
So you don't believe SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #20
The death penalty is not racist, etc. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #28
That is not a distinction SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #31
Well, this guy is pretty White. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #38
My state has executed white guys SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #51
Thank you for asking. lark Jul 2017 #71
An Eye for an Eye Leaves the Whole World Blind - Your justification is Weak. bitterross Jul 2017 #33
You can take any point to ridiculousness, as you did. lark Jul 2017 #48
So you're using the Trump defense? "I didn't mean what I said?" bitterross Jul 2017 #49
bye lark Jul 2017 #50
No, it was clear what you said. No need to assume. Wow. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #67
Wow, really? All countries like us do not kill their citizens. UK, France, Canada, etc. read more! USALiberal Jul 2017 #66
He's had anger issues his whole life, I bet, and no one Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #4
Legal, permit carrying gun owner. NRA's "good guy with a gun, right up until he wasn't: tblue37 Jul 2017 #5
Terrible. H2O Man Jul 2017 #6
It must bring back terrible memories for you. I'm sorry. nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #8
Yeah. H2O Man Jul 2017 #60
I hope that bastard dies in prison and never gets to hurt anyone else. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #64
. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2017 #47
I can't imagine what her poor family feels. nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #7
His family is also a victim SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #21
You have that mixed up - Bianca's older brother died a few years ago csziggy Jul 2017 #57
Oh- thanks for the correction SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #58
So much pain because guns are easy to have and carry around. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #63
There's a road by my house, two lanes at the stoplight that merge into one... EL34x4 Jul 2017 #9
We have quite of few similar scenarios where I live in Philly except BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #11
It takes very little for some nutters. Texin Jul 2017 #10
i'm really beginning to believe barbtries Jul 2017 #17
But there will be consequences. EL34x4 Jul 2017 #22
exactly. barbtries Jul 2017 #23
Probably not. He will instead spend all those years wishing that #$%&# hadn't FORCED tblue37 Jul 2017 #39
I agree with you. Aristus Jul 2017 #56
He was trying to merge into her lane csziggy Jul 2017 #59
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a hate crime as well. SunSeeker Jul 2017 #18
i thought the same thing barbtries Jul 2017 #24
Absolutely. dalton99a Jul 2017 #55
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #19
Huh? not fooled Jul 2017 #25
Bullshit. RoBear Jul 2017 #26
FYI, DU has a sarcasm smiley (and it's never a bad idea to use it) petronius Jul 2017 #30
Any Doubts ... DoctorJoJo Jul 2017 #27
A cautionary tale. Turbineguy Jul 2017 #29
The "clenched fist of truth" strikes again workinclasszero Jul 2017 #32
I think, considering this ad and other positions of the NRA, mountain grammy Jul 2017 #35
I don't doubt that friend workinclasszero Jul 2017 #36
My son was a victim of road rage mommymarine2003 Jul 2017 #40
Wish you and your family well and congrats to your son on his wedding day BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #42
Thanks mommymarine2003 Jul 2017 #54
This was a hate crime as well and needs to be reported as such. jcmaine72 Jul 2017 #41
I am still suprised they even offered a reward. BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #43
It is astonishing to me that so many... 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #44
+1000000 ailsagirl Jul 2017 #72
And not a 'good guy' xxqqqzme Jul 2017 #53
Very simple, without easy access to a gun this would not have happened! n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #68
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jul 2017 #69
I think you have posted this before. 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #73
We will continue to have senseless killing with guns unless this country wakes up. Sancho Jul 2017 #74
I bring up access to guns at all... 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #75
doing his part to make america great again JI7 Jul 2017 #70

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
1. Thanks for posting this. I hope he has a long, long stay in jail.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 12:32 PM
Jul 2017

Like life without parole. This is a mad dog.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
13. Oh I dont mind him getting parole one day like when he is in his 80s that way
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:29 PM
Jul 2017

he can experience and see some of what he could have been doing had he not wasted all those years in jail due to his own actions.

ailsagirl

(22,896 posts)
2. Glad he turned himself in...
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 12:34 PM
Jul 2017

but WHY did he kill that woman?? There's no excuse I can fathom for taking another's life. None.

Life has become very cheap here

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
14. Because he allowed anger to cloud his judgement and because of that he now will be going to prison
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:32 PM
Jul 2017

and he can spend the time in there trying to come to grips with the fact that had he never bought the gun in the first place that he wouldnt have had it to shoot her and he wouldnt be in prison now for murder.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
34. This exactly
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:47 PM
Jul 2017

They are all responsible gun owners till they aren't. Till life throws them that curve ball that hits the right buttons and they kill someone.

Without the gun that young lady would be continuing down her very promising path, and this clown would have been over being mad with no one the worse for wear.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
45. Ease up there Eg, most gun owners are clearly not like this guy
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 03:49 PM
Jul 2017

if they were we would have a hell of alot more murders in this country.

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
62. Most are not like this guy, until they are like this guy
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 07:36 PM
Jul 2017

they had a bad day, somebody pisses them off, and there's the gun, nice and handy. Doubt this guy ever shot at anyone before in his life, so he wasn't like "this guy" either.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
65. Thats true of people who dont have a license to own a gun and have one on them to though.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 09:26 PM
Jul 2017

Now my personal opinion on handguns is that unless you are a member of law enforcement or have a real need for a handgun (such as a spouse dealing with a physically abusive ex thats been stalking you) that you have no business carrying a loaded handgun on you in a vehicle but again thats only my personal opinion.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
61. That's why they need to make a strong example out of this guy.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 07:30 PM
Jul 2017

If they are going to hand out concealed carry permits to everyone who asks for them, they need to make it very clear that if you're going to be a hot-head and exercise your Second Amendment rights by shooting motorists who won't let you merge, the sentence you receive will be without mercy.

This way, there might be guys out there who stop and think, "Maybe I shouldn't keep a gun in my car. I'm kinda hot-tempered on the road and I'd probably shoot someone just like that dumbass did."

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
46. This is the answer.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 04:01 PM
Jul 2017

😪 a dude with anger issues, a gun conveniently nearby, and because of that a young women who had the makings of someone remarkable is dead.

I'm sick of guns and I'm sick of dudes with no training in testosterone management.

lark

(23,099 posts)
3. Hang him high.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jul 2017

I am a believer in the death penalty for people like this who are a menace to general society.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
20. So you don't believe
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:58 PM
Jul 2017

that the death penalty is racist, arbitrary, discriminates against the poor and is ineffective?
Or is it just that you should be able to decide who is killed and who isn't?

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
31. That is not a distinction
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jul 2017

The death penalty in the United States is much, much more likely to execute those who are outside of the white, middle class structure. It always has and it will continue to do so.
I consider opposition to the death penalty one of the major civil rights questions of our time.

lark

(23,099 posts)
71. Thank you for asking.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jul 2017

Yes, I do believe all those things and for those reasons do think that the death penalty ought to be rare. I am also against incarcerating anyone who didn't actually harm some other person - so stupid that so many people get put in jail for the crime of being poor and unable to pay traffic fines, as a great example. So, no, I don't believe that the criminal system in this country is good and in many cases is corrupt and just wrong. I do believe that in a better world we should be able to isolate killers, people who deliberately kill someone else, and give them the ultimate penalty. Oh, and I am also strongly, strongly, against "stand your ground" and hate that it's in place in my state.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
33. An Eye for an Eye Leaves the Whole World Blind - Your justification is Weak.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jul 2017

Last edited Sun Jul 2, 2017, 03:46 PM - Edit history (1)

State sanctioned murder is still murder and the taking of a life. No matter how you justify it to yourself to make yourself feel okay about it. The justification you provide in you post is particularly weak and prone to abuse:

"...for people like this who are a menace to general society."

That justification has been used to jail, torture, and murder millions of people. Who is to say that all of us here on DU aren't a menace to general society. I would imagine that the GOP would classify us that way. Certainly Trump classifies the media as a menace to society. He has repeatedly labeled them as enemies of the people.

lark

(23,099 posts)
48. You can take any point to ridiculousness, as you did.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 04:13 PM
Jul 2017

You don't know anything at all about me, you just made assumptions based on a very brief post. Wouldn't it be better to ask questions than to just make gross assumptions? Guess that's not your style though. Yes, I could have made a more in-depth argument that people who kill on purpose deserve this action, but still, your post takes the counter argument to extremes. Of course, there has been political persecutions throughout history and duh, I'm not in favor of that.

lark

(23,099 posts)
50. bye
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 04:20 PM
Jul 2017

Life is way too short to deal with people that twist the truth - like you

Bye forever. I'd wish you good luck but you would just twist that into something nasty. Have to deal with that when I turn on tv, not getting into it on the safe place for people that loathe drumpf and what he's doing to our country. Doubt that fits you, but can't say for sure just based on 2 posts.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
66. Wow, really? All countries like us do not kill their citizens. UK, France, Canada, etc. read more!
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 10:11 PM
Jul 2017

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
4. He's had anger issues his whole life, I bet, and no one
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jul 2017

insisted he get treated for that, starting with his family. And now look at what's happened because of his anger issues. Stupid. Horrible that he killed someone. Tragic that he ruined his own life. His life is over. He will now be a sardine in a can for the rest of his life (I hope).

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
5. Legal, permit carrying gun owner. NRA's "good guy with a gun, right up until he wasn't:
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jul 2017

"Police found the gun in Desper's bedroom. He had bought in legally in November 2015 and had a permit for it, Hogan said."

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
60. Yeah.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 06:38 PM
Jul 2017

Odd timing -- I read that as we were preparing for the extended family to arrive for a picnic.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
64. I hope that bastard dies in prison and never gets to hurt anyone else.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 09:07 PM
Jul 2017

I'm sorry it took what it did to put him where he belongs.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
21. His family is also a victim
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:00 PM
Jul 2017

I read that they buried an adult son who died of heart disease 4 years ago, and now they will see this miserable asshole go to jail for life.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
57. You have that mixed up - Bianca's older brother died a few years ago
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:56 PM
Jul 2017

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Robersons have experienced a loss in their family before. Bianca's older brother died of heart disease when he was 22 years old in 2013.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pennsylvania-hs-graduate-shot-head-road-rage-incident-article-1.3290266
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From the OP: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029271762


 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
63. So much pain because guns are easy to have and carry around.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 09:06 PM
Jul 2017

I support the 2nd amendment. But I also know that it's just too damn easy to do violence with a gun.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
9. There's a road by my house, two lanes at the stoplight that merge into one...
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:12 PM
Jul 2017

...about a quarter mile down the road.

I see this crap all the time. Light turns green and both vehicles floor it, trying to make the other driver slow down and merge behind them.

It's like a damn pissing contest. Neither driver wants to "lose" and be the one that has to slow down.

I shake my head. It's only a matter of time before something like this happens.

BumRushDaShow

(128,936 posts)
11. We have quite of few similar scenarios where I live in Philly except
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jul 2017

they are mostly 2 lane streets where the left lane becomes "Left Turn Only", so the jockeying happens to get over to the right lane before the cars reach the intersection. And what happens is that some drivers will use that left lane to shoot ahead to the front of the right lane's cars because inevitably, the right lane will have a longer line of cars (as most are planning to straight and not turn).

Texin

(2,596 posts)
10. It takes very little for some nutters.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:16 PM
Jul 2017

I live in Texas and we hear examples like this more often than anyone could rationally believe. About a decade ago, I was merging onto an interstate and the guy driving the truck in that lane coming up to the merge ramp must have perceived I had tried to cut him off. That wasn't the case, but it didn't make any difference. He went leadfoot and raced up behind me, tailgating. When I slowed down, he changed lanes, raced in front of me then started pumping his brakes and trying to force me off the road. This continued for about a mile or two. I was able to change lanes and put some distance between us, but he charged over behind me in the same lane and proceeded to repeat his actions. I actually entered the service lane/median and saw a police car stopped ahead of me. I drove up behind the police car and stopped. The pickup guy moved on from there, but it left me shaken. This truck had a gun rack in the cab's back window and I've no doubt he was probably carrying a handgun or more as well, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have hesitated to unload it. I'm grateful that the police officers were there. I got out of my car and (non-threateningly) approached the police officers. I explained to them what had just happened and, unfortunately, they weren't able to call anything in, as they didn't see it happening (think they had pulled another vehicle over for speeding just previously and were getting ready to get back onto the road from the service road) when I pulled in behind them. I got back on the road and took my time, because I didn't want to meet up with the lunatic on down the interstate. Thankfully, I didn't, but I don't want to even contemplate what could have happened if that police car wasn't there at the time.

barbtries

(28,793 posts)
17. i'm really beginning to believe
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:47 PM
Jul 2017

that many americans want a gun so if someone pisses them off they can shoot them, and damn the consequences. thank you NRA.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
22. But there will be consequences.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jul 2017

This guy will spend the next many, man-years wishing he had a do-over. Wishing he had let her merge ahead of him. Wishing he didn't keep a gun in his car.

barbtries

(28,793 posts)
23. exactly.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:07 PM
Jul 2017

at least i hope so. they should all face consequences, but wouldn't it be better if they considered it before leaving the house with a loaded gun

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
39. Probably not. He will instead spend all those years wishing that #$%&# hadn't FORCED
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jul 2017

him to shoot her, thus ruining his life because she was such a #$%.

IOW, he will spend his time thinking about (and complaining to anyone who will listen) how SHE was to blame, because people like him don't take responsibility for the choices they make that mess up their lives.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
59. He was trying to merge into her lane
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 06:05 PM
Jul 2017

From the link in the OP:
"Shortly before Bianca approached the merge, police said her vehicle and the pickup truck began jockeying for position. PennDot images show that the truck was in the left lane, Roberson in the right. Signs on the side of the highway warn drivers that the left lane ends."

The photo the police released of the two vehicles show the red truck in the left lane slightly ahead of Bianca's green Malibu:
https://www.facebook.com/WestGoshenTownshipPoliceDepartment/photos/pcb.784452925053646/784719371693668/?type=3&theater

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
18. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a hate crime as well.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:52 PM
Jul 2017

I'm guessing he wouldn't have shot her dead if she was a young white girl.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

petronius

(26,602 posts)
30. FYI, DU has a sarcasm smiley (and it's never a bad idea to use it)
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jul 2017

You'll find it by pushing the "smilies" button while posting, or just type : sarcasm : without the spaces.

Welcome to DU!

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
29. A cautionary tale.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jul 2017

It's easy to get angry at other drivers. Some are better able to control it than others. If you curse at others or call them names, that's one thing. But it's also a sign you probably should not keep a loaded weapon nearby.

I joke that untold numbers of people will die in their beds because I listen to classical music while I drive.

Whatever it takes to sublimate.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
32. The "clenched fist of truth" strikes again
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:28 PM
Jul 2017


The enraged nutter saw a black female and his gun hand couldn't resist. I believe this killer was licensed and trained in CC, you know, a "good guy with a gun".

Until he wasn't.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
35. I think, considering this ad and other positions of the NRA,
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:48 PM
Jul 2017

that, because this white man murdered a black female, he would still be the NRA's ideal as a "good guy with a gun."

mommymarine2003

(261 posts)
40. My son was a victim of road rage
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 03:32 PM
Jul 2017

A couple months ago, my son was hit from behind by a young man in a car. My son was on his way to work on his motorcycle, and this man started throwing things out the window to try to hit him. My son passed him to get away. It appears the young man became angry and was going about 100 mph down the road according to witnesses. My son was exiting the freeway, and he hit my son from behind going about 60 mph. My son flew from his motorcycle and traveled about 100 yards (the length of a football field) face down. The driver fled the scene, but a witness followed him and got his license plate. It was a miracle my son survived although his hand was broken in 3 places and he lost some skin. He said the freeway was full to cars, but they all swerved and missed him. The man's trial is next month, and I know he faces a felony and several gross misdemeanors. His life is forever changed. My son is getting married next month. We are so very lucky that we are looking forward to his wedding and not a funeral. My son had two deployments to Iraq, and it has taken several years for him to get back on is feet. We came close to losing him then, but it is dangerous here, too. How lives can change in an instant.

BumRushDaShow

(128,936 posts)
42. Wish you and your family well and congrats to your son on his wedding day
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 03:42 PM
Jul 2017

Thanking him too for his service!

mommymarine2003

(261 posts)
54. Thanks
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:31 PM
Jul 2017

I hate motorcycles almost as much as I hated him going to war. We are proud of his service to our country, too. Happy 4th!

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
41. This was a hate crime as well and needs to be reported as such.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 03:33 PM
Jul 2017

I simply can't believe, given this country's history of racism and genocide, that this coward didn't look into the face of this African American child and simply see her as an animal before he shot her. Then again, I'm not surprised that the podunk police department in lilly white West Goshen isn't investigating this as a hate crime.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
69. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 10:28 PM
Jul 2017

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
74. We will continue to have senseless killing with guns unless this country wakes up.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jul 2017

Frankly, too many people are apathetic (not DUers), and so they allow dangerous people to wander around with guns. It's truly a tragedy and history will wonder, "What were they thinking?"

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
75. I bring up access to guns at all...
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 03:23 PM
Jul 2017

...well child visits as part of my home safety discussion. I also advise parents to make sure they discuss this with the parents of their kids' playmates. Some have already done so. A common response, however, is, "Oh my God, I never thought about THAT!"

The NRA would like to prohibit health care providers from even bringing up this topic. Screw 'em!

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