Were not going to use Narcan: Sheriff is second Butler County official to question overdose...

[OilemFirchen]

Source: Dayton Daily News

Sheriff Richard K. Jones is the second official in Butler County in a matter of weeks to question whether emergency responders should use Narcan to revive those overdosing on opioids.

"Basically, we're not going to use Narcan," Jones told Ashleigh Banfield on HLNs "Primetime Justice.

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I want to send a message to the world that you dont want to come to Middletown to overdose because someone might not come with Narcan and save your life, Picard said. We need to put a fear about overdosing in Middletown.

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Jones said on the show that first responders are often in danger when they arrive at an overdose call. Officers and medics sometimes encounter violent people who dont want to see police. Responders also run the risk of coming into contact with needles and life-threatening drugs.

Read more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/not-going-use-narcan-sheriff-second-butler-county-official-question-overdose-response/WuMzcTv7R8381GVqDb2RUP/

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This is every variety of fucked up.

BTW, Sheriff Jones, my SO is a tiny woman who works in the trauma unit at an inner-city hospital. She doesn't have the luxury of wearing a belt with every defensive and offensive tool imaginable. She doesn't have a partner nor backup. She's been beaten multiple times, and yet she returns night after night. How does it feel to be more afraid than her, tough guy?

ETA: Yeah, YOU tough guy:

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. Including children and pets. Jones wants to be judge jury & execution. Death penalty for drug users.

Let me guess, Middletown is poorer and has a larger proportion of minorities than surrounding areas?

OD'ing while brown: penalty is death? Whites elsewhere will get kid glove treatment with full mobilization to help them?

[Rural_Progressive]

2. Well not all whites

But the ones who live in nice suburban neighborhoods or gated communities, you betcha.

[OilemFirchen]

3. From the same edition:

Dayton Children’s Hospital is treating two children a week for opiate overdoses

Dayton Children’s Hospital is treating as many as two children a week for opioid overdoses due to accidental exposure since the beginning of 2017.

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The death of 13-month-old Mari’Onna Allen of Dayton in May is one of two deaths of children from drug intoxication confirmed so far in Montgomery County in 2017. There was one death of a child from fentanyl intoxication in the county last year.

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“We’ve had other children on scene, found to be in an OD situation, who responded to Narcan, so it would give impression of opiates,” said Jewell Good, county Children’s Services assistant director.

The county agency has been involved with four cases of children under the age of four so far this year where opioid exposure is speculated based on circumstances, environment and adult practices surrounding the child, Good said.


FTR, Middletown isn't disproportionately minority, but it definitely is poorer, as is much of Butler County. And EXTREMELY conservative.

[OilemFirchen]

30. I just found out that this happened across the street from us.

The neighborhood was abuzz when police and emergency crews were seen there for hours. The "official" story was that grandma accidentally killed the baby by rolling on top of it in her sleep.

Not so, sadly:

Police: Infant dead after overdosing on mixture of fentanyl, carfentanyl

The Montgomery County Coroner’s Office confirmed Friday 13-month-old Mari’onna Allen died at Dayton Children’s Hospital on May 3, 2017 after overdosing on a mixture of fentanyl and carfentanyl..

Police tell 2 NEWS the child was left in the care of a grandmother and her friend while the mother and her boyfriend went out for the evening. Investigators do not know how the baby got the drugs but say a number of people were in the home on East Fifth Street near Henry Street at the time.

3 days after Mari’onna died, the 42-year-old grandmother was found dead in a Riverside motel. Police say a needle was found near her body. Her cause of death remains under investigation.

[rpannier]

6. Butler County

abut 370,000 people. 86% White. 8.5% below poverty line
In Presidential elections voted almost 2:1 Republikkan since 2000

[metroins]

13. Wow, not sure how you tried to tie it to race

It's in general f'd up that they won't save anybody's life when given the chance.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. Simply a guess, because too often this kind of harsh treatment is tied to race.

A kind reader informed us that demographically the area makes it unlikely to be a racist policy but definitely a classist policy, the other half of my guess.

[riversedge]

4. Someone needs to sue that SOB quickly!

[dbackjon]

5. THIS is what a death panel looks like

Fuck you asshole

[mitch96]

11. So this guy is judge, jury and executioner, eh?

Wait till one of the politically connected kids overdose with no narcan around... Things will change.
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[Warren DeMontague]

7. We're gonna use "throwyouinthecan", instead, you dirty hippy!

Yay Drug War!!!

[jmowreader]

8. Y'know, when I plan to overdose on smack...

I always make sure to travel to another city and call their police department ahead of time: "Yeah, look, I plan to OD on heroin in Room 227 of the Overlook Hotel in your fine city at 8 pm on the 31st of April. Do your police carry Narcan to bail me out after I do?" And if they answer in Richard Jones fashion, I always visit another city to OD on smack.

Doesn't everyone?

[perdita9]

9. I understand why people are frustrated

Nothing seems to work with opioid addicts. Jail definitely doesn't work. Counseling isn't usually successful. Methodone--people are on that for years.

I don't know what the answer is, but I understand the frustration on the part of authorities.

[Ilsa]

27. We think our niece finally got cleaned up

Off opiods after 2-3 years. Nearly losing her pregnancy, and then preemie, still didn't clean her up. She nearly died from the drugs wrecking her heart and liver, I guess, but those who have seenn her think she's only doing booze now. Thankfully, the kids are with the daddy, safe from her.

[christx30]

33. My childhood friend lost his sister about a year ago

to a drug overdose. Something more needs to happen to the dealers of this poison.

[truthisfreedom]

10. People overdose on pills they think are prescription

But they're fentenyl or something worse.

This guy is an uneducated misinformed buffoon who needs to be removed from office.

[GeoWilliam750]

12. Interesting little city, Middletown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middletown,_Ohio

For a city of only 50,000, there is a surprising number of highly accomplished athletes, entertainers, and politicians who have lived there.

[FarPoint]

14. Officers are not medics....

Call 911...there ya go.

[OilemFirchen]

17. They'll always send out PD with a medic for an OD.

It's the vague 911 calls (unresponsive, altered mental status) that put medics at risk. Here in Dayton, now reputed to be the overdose capital of the U.S., cops are starting to respond to these calls as well.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

24. Hmm. When my brother had a heart attack the first guy in the door was a cop with a defibrillator.

[NickB79]

28. Police are trained on basic first aid practices

Hell, they're often given basic training on how to deliver a baby on the side of the road!

From what I've been told, Narcan is similar to an Epi-Pen: you just jab it in and you're done.

[airmid]

15. Middletown is my hometown. It was once named an "All American" city in the 70's

Home AK Steel. Manufacturing has been dead for years. Beohner's former district...it is Trumptardland here. Yesterday there were 6 od's. one of those od's took ten doses of narcan to be revived. It's pretty awful...

[brooklynite]

16. I'm really surprised that NYC is advocating that members of the public...

...carry Naloxone and be prepared to apply it -- even to neighbors -- without any training or certification.

[OilemFirchen]

18. I think that's becoming pretty common nationwide.

It doesn't work when everyone in the house has overdosed. And yes, that's becoming pretty common as well.

[Krytan11c]

20. I'm a paramedic

I get called to an OD I'm asking the police officer one question: Is the scene safe?
That's all I need to know from them.
Some cop tells me I can't use Narcan on a patient I will use it anyway. If an officer tries to physically prevent me from using Narcan I will chart the shit out of it with their badge number, name, etc. Also, file an assault complaint.

[Dustlawyer]

21. It is your freakin job! If you cannot handle it go into some other line of work!

Their motto is no longer "Protect and Serve," it's "Look out for #1!"

[OldRedneck]

22. I wonder . . .

I'm an EMT with a volunteer rescue squad in rural Virginia. We carry Narcan (naloxone HCl) in three forms: (1)pre-loaded auto-injector nasal spray; (2) pre-loaded auto-injector syringes; and, (3) kit containing 10cc vial and three syringes -- load the syringe and inject into a muscle.

I wonder how much effect this sheriff's order really will have? In Virginia, sheriffs don't tell EMS units how to operate. We operate in accordance with protocols established by our local EMS region (eleven regions in Virginia). If our local sheriff were to issue such an order, we would ignore him.

Of course, he can control what his deputies carry but I doubt he can order his EMS to drop Narcan. I'd like to hear what his county EMS director says.

He is correct that it is common -- almost normal -- for anyone who has OD'ed and who receives Narcan to wake up suddenly and start throwing punches, kicking, spitting, and fighting like a madman. For this reason, we load an OD patient on the stretcher, tie him/her down with the stretcher's safety straps PLUS tying down legs, arms, and head with restraints. On our ambulances, two people apply the restraints while the EMT prepares and administers the Narcan. Since we started this process, we have had no problems with combative patients -- they can scream, spit, curse all the want -- the restraints hold them down (and piss them off even more!!!).

My favorite trick is to use a piece of duct tape: Wrap one end around the stretcher frame, run the duct tape over the patient's throat, then tie the other end to the other side of the stretcher. That way, when the asshole wakes up and raises his/her head, the duct tape chokes him. If he wants to breathe, he must lie down. They really get pissed off, but, if they want to breathe . . .

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. Well this post trailed off and went downhill at the end...

[christx30]

34. It's better than getting bit by a drug user

that has no control over himself. If it were my life on the line, I'd probably do the same thing. After the guy is not under any danger of dying or harming anyone else, let him go. Probably to jail for possession.

[crim son]

23. Maine's governor has expressed the same views.

He is just as morally repugnant as Jones.

[inwiththenew]

25. I live in Ohio and I'm not surprised by this

I hear more and more people around here and on social media in the area saying the same thing. I feel we are reaching a tipping point here where people are throwing their hands up in the air because it seems like nothing works to stop opioid addiction. It's sad but something that you would only hear grumbles about a few years ago are being openly expressed by more and more people.

[Blue Idaho]

29. we are going to let you DIE

Is that supposed to scare 'em straight Sheriff? This sort of puritanical Old Testament bullshit has no place in 21st century America...

[SharonClark]

31. My deplorable neighbor would approve.

[Skittles]

32. a big percentage of the victims ARE deplorables