Trump calls for ban on transgender individuals in military

[jpak]

Source: The Hill

President Trump on Wednesday called for a ban on transgender people serving in the U.S. military.

Trump said in a series of tweets the military needs to be focused on "decisive and overwhelming" victory.

"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow...Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military," Trump tweeted.

"Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming...victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343847-trump-calls-for-ban-on-transgender-individuals-in-military

[Moostache]

1. They are NOT "your" generals you fuck face twat.

There is nothing right about ANYTHING this disgrace says or does...please universe, strike him down with lightning, today.

[flibbitygiblets]

3. ++++ He thinks DOJ is his too. And all Repubs are required to vote as he pleases.

He's under the impression this is a dick-tatership.

Robert Mueller, our nation turns it lonely, sad, scared eyes to you.

[riversedge]

4. My Bp always boils when I see him say that "my generals"

[Girard442]

11. "My generals" -- Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer.

[Honeycombe8]

2. He's taking a safely conservative position on that, to be popular.

The military recently announced that the transgender thing in the military isn't working, and most particularly, the transgenders are at risk, and the military's costs associated with it...etc., etc.

So Trump is just piggybacking on what he perceives as already a popular position to take. He wants more adoration and "Hail to the Chief," as usual.

[riversedge]

6. Agree, He wants to make divisive, distracting news from russiagate.

[regnaD kciN]

33. "the transgenders"?

Very cute. Reminds me of the old days, when whites piously wondered just what "the coloreds" wanted.

[Honeycombe8]

51. Oh, excuse me. Please send me your list of phraseology that is acceptable to you.

I will try to adhere to it.



BTW, I remember the signs "whites only" and such. The term used at that time was "colored people" mainly.

Your likening the word "transgender" to "colored" is totally wrong, of course. Transgender IS the correct name. Colored is not (though it used to be).

We're not writing thesis papers here. This is a forum, and so we use casual writing. If it were a news article or college paper we would say "transgender people" and not take the shortcut. But this is a forum.

Please save your outrage for real discrimination.

[gilbert sullivan]

65. Actually 'transgender', like 'homosexual' is an adjecive.

So proper grammar precludes referring to a person as "a" transgender or homosexual. I know it's commonly misused, but that,
like the improper implementation of "begs the question" is still technically wrong.

[barbtries]

5. words cannot express

how much i hate this back assward pig.

[flibbitygiblets]

8. actually that was pretty good...

[barbtries]

10. and yet a mere shadow, just a hint,

of the emotion he stirs within me.

[hamsterjill]

20. Oh you and me both.

I hate that man, and I do not take hate lightly.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Replace toxic hate with stone cold loathing. Much healthier and more effective. Take care. . . nt

[barbtries]

32. i'll try.

one of the reasons i hate them so much is because they make me hate them. thanks

[flibbitygiblets]

7. Wonder if that shitbag KKKaitlin Jenner still supports him now?

[joeybee12]

13. Yeah, wonder if she's stupid enough to still be a Repuke

Rhetorical question. Of course she is

[m-lekktor]

14. First thought I had upon hearing of this as well. nt

[RKP5637]

17. I was thinking the same. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

21. Money "trumps" everything w/Jenner. Tax cuts. Multi-millionaire. nt

[Blue_Tires]

48. Sure... She's filthy stinking rich and has no plans to enlist...

[Crash2Parties]

70. "Caitlyn Jenner Bemoans Trumps Broken Promise"

[link:http://www.joemygod.com/2017/07/26/caitlyn-jenner-bemoans-trumps-broken-promise/|

There are 15,000 patriotic transgender Americans in the US military fighting for all of us. What happened to your promise to fight for them? https://t.co/WzjypVC8Sr

— Caitlyn Jenner (@Caitlyn_Jenner) July 26, 2017

[mdbl]

73. Well there goes Caitlyn's military career plans

down the @realdonaldtrump Twitter toilet

[George II]

9. He's barring people that are willing to do what he wasn't willing to do.

[kysrsoze]

31. Excellent observation of that fucking coward. Thank you.

[stevil]

35. +1

Coward, he is.

[n2doc]

12. Was't Ivanka supposed to 'moderate' him?

Guess that crap was a diversion as well.

[jmowreader]

46. Oh man...

...if Ivanka is moderating Bozo the Fuehrer, imagine what he's like in his natural state.

[Rustyeye77]

15. Words fail me how many ways I hate this

no-nothing useless fake bastard.

[RKP5637]

16. I would like to see a ban on Trump. He is a disease! n/t

[Dave Starsky]

42. Gonorrhea just called.

It would like an apology from you for saying that.

[RKP5637]

43. ...

[Matthew28]

56. A freaking disgrace on this nation

[RKP5637]

59. And many internationally are judging Americans and our democracy for having let this creature

be president, working the system to his advantage. And the Electoral College was a failure, it was the last stop and those individuals failed the American democracy.

[colsohlibgal]

18. Of Course He Did

Not the same thing exactly but I recall Barry Goldwater saying a soldier didn't need to be straight the soldier just has to shoot straight.

But it is clear Orange Creep and his like minded minions have issues with everyone who is not a straight white male.

[Ford_Prefect]

19. Sounds very much like Bannon's work. Still following the Goebbels/Himmler playbook he is.

[JDC]

53. I was thinking Pence's work

[Ford_Prefect]

66. I'm sure Pence lives there too but Bannon is the Reichsminister for Propaganda.

He sees himself in the role of shaping Trumpian Dogma and Optics along with policy.

[JDC]

69. This certainly would support the Bannin spearhead

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141830419

[Ford_Prefect]

74. The comment and the policy change it references were clearly composed by Bannon.

Joshua Green explains in his new book that Bannon has very specific plans to demonize LGBTQ people and is quite deliberately mimicking the very effective propaganda and methodology used by Goebbels/Himmler et al.

I have no doubt that it reflects the views of Twitler and his inner circle whereas Pence has previously been outspoken in his views of LGBTQ people and their right breathe.

It is my view, and I am not alone in this, that they intend to reconvene the Inquisition and reboot the Final Solution, Mueller's efforts notwithstanding.

[JDC]

75. Well that is some dark shit. And to be honest it makes swnse

[hamsterjill]

22. Seriously / can he just "dictate" this?

Do I not live in a country with a constitution any more? I am sick of this bastard being allowed to be a dictator.

[uppityperson]

23. What the fuck

[SpankMe]

25. Bigotry - the mark of the Asshole. n/t

[Eugene]

26. Which generals? Gen. Mattis' last known position was to proceed slowly.

Generals talk in terms of readiness, not "decisive and overwhelming" victory. This is ideological meddling with a disturbing echo of a certain deranged leader, whom I will not name.

[riversedge]

27. msnbc saying about 7,000 people have inquired about their service if enter the military. Some

already in the service.

[riversedge]

28. Milatary saying they were blindsighted by Trumps tweets about transgender issue today. msnbc

[Freethinker65]

29. If this ass starts a war, I expect lots of googling of "transgender"

By "conservative" parents and their military age children

[Chipper Chat]

30. One these days that fuckwad is going to step in some shit

that rises up and strangles him. Can't be soon enough for this stupid, obnoxious, and evil prick.

[Paladin]

34. I have no sympathy for those in the LGBT community who supported trump.

He was never going to follow through on those campaign promises of support.

[pepperbear]

36. Paging Jenner.

[JDC]

54. No kidding

[JenniferJuniper]

55. She'll excuse it. Doesn't impact her.

[jalan48]

37. He's appealing to his base on one of their prejudices.

This is really about taking the focus off of Trump and his family and putting it onto another marginalized group. Divide and conquer.

[cp]

38. Massive ignorance

as well as malice.

[SCVDem]

39. This can't be overstated

Fuck Trump!

Cowardly draft dodger!

[Matthew28]

57. Yep, these transgender people have 1,000,000 times more honor

[lark]

40. Such stark pandering is totally disgusting and vile.

He doesn't personally give a shit if people are gay, transgender or whatever. This is just a move to shore up his somewhat sagging support from the real haters, his true base.

[Glimmer of Hope]

41. What an ugly week. And it is only Wednesday.

[Oneironaut]

44. Gays, Lesbians, etc. are next. Guaranteed.

I wouldn't doubt there will be a blanket ban of all LGBT individuals.

[Matthew28]

58. Then comes women in the military

Trump won't stop until the Military is a male institution.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. what does he mean by tremendous

Medical costs?

[Crash2Parties]

71. A: 1/10 what they spend on viagra. No, not kidding.

A 2016 study by the Rand Corporation found the maximum annual medical costs for transgender services would be around $8.4 million. By comparison, the military spent $84 million on erectile dysfunction medications Viagra and Cialis in 2014, the Military Times reported.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-transgender-medical-comparison-2017-7
(contrary to the title it's 10x not 5x, check my math?)

[Politicub]

47. My blood is boiling

Fuck him. Fuck his administration. And fuck the GOP.

America, this is the modern Republican Party.

[SCVDem]

49. How many translators did we we lose after 9/11?

Just because of gender issues.

[tavernier]

50. But if he starts a crazy republican war,

every person of military age could claim to be a transgender.

[Cryptoad]

52. mathis no answer

[truthisfreedom]

60. Pentagon is unaware of any such order.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pentagon-not-aware-trump-transgender-decision

[mvd]

61. It's a very vile, bigoted administration

[Shoonra]

62. Before I get all upset about this issue .....

Would someone please tell me how many Transgenders there are in the US armed forces? And, if there is any way to subdivide them into categories, that would be nice too.

I am under the impression that Transgenders are a very very small minority, requiring a lot of medical attention. Maybe I am wrong. But I must admit that I had hardly heard of this particular gender before Bruce Jenner only a few years ago.

It may be helpful to know how many people we are getting upset about.

[OldHippieChick]

67. Depends on which source you research. It could be anywhere from 2,000 - 15,000

Inasmuch as the transgender portion of our population is supposed to be around .03% I doubt the 15,000 figure, but it may be the military is a good place to learn how to fit in.

As for the medical costs - we spend at least 100 times more on Viagra for the military. Yes, we do. Please be upset about that.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

63. Trump announces ban on transgender people in U.S. military

Trump announces ban on transgender people in U.S. military

By Abby Phillip, Thomas Gibbons-Neff and Dan Lamothe July 26 at 10:57 AM

....
Richard Socarides, a longtime gay rights advocate who advised Bill Clinton on gay men and lesbians serving in uniform, called Trump's decision “a tragic betrayal of all LGBT Americans and a shameful effort to win over social conservatives at the expense of the vulnerable.”

“But, what Trump will now learn: Don't mess with us,” Socarides said. “This gets him a fight he will not win.”
....

Abby Phillip is a national political reporter covering the White House for The Washington Post. She can be reached at [e-mail]. Follow @abbydphillip

Thomas Gibbons-Neff is a staff writer and a former Marine infantryman. Follow @Tmgneff

Dan Lamothe covers national security for The Washington Post and anchors its military blog, Checkpoint. Follow @danlamothe

Trump’s LGBT supporters defend him after surprise military transgender ban

By David Weigel July 26 at 10:53 AM

As a candidate for president, one of Donald Trump most notable breaks from conservative orthodoxy was his on-the-record support for LGBT rights. At the Republican National Convention, Trump said he’d “do everything in my power to protect our LGBT citizens.” That was after Peter Thiel became the first openly gay Republican to speak at the party’s convention, and after Trump told “the LGBT community” that he’d “fight” for them.

Wednesday’s announcement that Trump would bar transgender people from the armed forces was the latest contradiction of that pledge. It couldn’t have been clearer — after casting himself as a pro-gay rights candidate, Trump’s administration had already rescinded protections for trans students in public schools. After declaring himself a noncombatant in one of the culture wars, President Trump, with strong support from religious conservatives, has joined the battle with aplomb.

So far, that hasn’t lost Trump any support from gay conservatives who argued that he was the gay rights candidate. Milo Yiannopoulos, the former Breitbart editor who co-hosted a “Gays for Trump” party at the RNC, said he was “delighted” that the president had made a smart and compassionate decision.

“You don’t help mentally ill trans people by sticking them on the front lines,” Yiannopoulos said. “You help them with therapy and drugs — though not, I have to stress, transition surgery. I only wish he’d gone further and banned women from combat units too, since the evidence clearly shows their presence is disastrous for both morale and performance. Baby steps?”
....

David Weigel is a national political correspondent covering Congress and grassroots political movements. He's the author of "The Show That Never Ends," a history of progressive rock music. Follow @daveweigel

[LittleGirl]

64. I think I get it now

The hatred for Obama.

Because the hatred I feel for #45 is just as strong as those that hated Obama.

He'll reverse his decision tomorrow or later today. Too much blow back and he's just looking to distract from the corruption in his office and cabinet. Come on Mueller. Work faster.

[CozyMystery]

72. Yup. Revenge. Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning. Plus distraction.

[OldHippieChick]

68. My question is what is he going to do about those who are already serving?

Is he going to have them forcibly removed? By whom? Their fellow soldiers/sailors? And then we are looking at by far more in legal fees than the medical attention he claims were concerning him.