Police arrest 20 Panchayat members who ordered 'revenge rape' in Multan

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: Dawn

A search operation is underway to arrest the members of a panchayat (village council) who fled after ordering a man to rape a 17-year-old girl, police said on Wednesday.

According to SHO Malik Rashid, the search operation began after two cases were registered against the members of the council at a police station inside the Violence Against Women centre in Multan.

The council, comprising at least 40 men, was convened in Muzaffarabad's Rajpur area after a 12-year-old girl, F*, was raped by a man while cutting grass in a field on July 16, reads the First Information Report (FIR) filed at the police station.

On July 18, the panchayat ordered F's brother to rape 17-year-old N*, the sister of the accused. According to the police, N was dragged to the area where the panchayat was convened and was raped before the men and her parents.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1347764

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(Pakistan)

[geek tragedy]

1. while generally we recognize that cultural genocide is a bad thing

if what passes for 'culture' in tribal Pakistan were to be wholly and permanently eradicated (with no physical casualties), humanity would be the better for it.

[bettyellen]

2. How disgusting. Instead of holding rapists accountable they sanction more criminal rape? Even if

They raped the rapist thisnwould be wrong- but his teenaged sister? What the fuck?

[Igel]

10. It's communal justice.

One family/clan/tribe (whatever the appropriate level is here) was wronged. A group resource was damaged, group honor was hurt. It hurt their identity and dignity.

It couldn't be fixed. You can't unrape somebody.

Usually there's another way out of these conflicts. Traditional societies have ways of allowing marriage or some sort of compensation--money, livestock, etc. But that's "allowed." Then the girl's family or clan may be the deciding factor--if they give the nod, money or sheep pass hands. If they don't, then then justice is still communal.

In the crudest terms, ruling out money and property it means that the same kind of resource gets damaged, inflicting the same sort of reduction in group honor, in group worth. The guy who committed the first rape sees his honor group dishonored when a girl in his group is raped, and everybody else in it knows that they're suffering this dishonor because of him. Yes, *they* are suffering the dishonor, because an offense against one is an offense against all. It's their group identity that takes a hit. (And, of course, the girl herself is more seriously dishonored and "damaged" in such a society. But since each group is only concerned about its own honor and standing relative to the other, who cares?)

It's the group and group identity that matters. The girl who was raped, the initial victim, was a representative of her group. In wronging her, her group was wronged. The initial offender was a representative of his group; in committing a wrong, his group was responsible. So his group pays.


Societies in which justice is collective and communal ultimately resort to collective and communal punishment. Necessarily so. The individual is less important and is just an exponent of the group. Scenarios in which now justice must be collective but, oops, that was 4 minutes ago and now it's individual ... They're really unstable and are often perceived as unjust.

[bettyellen]

11. "Necessarily so" - nope. They could punish the actual criminal the same way- they just might...

Not enjoy it as much. Plus it's easier to harm a woman that way. Fucking savage thing to do. Only innocent women suffer, it's disgusting anyone would make excuses for it.

[leftynyc]

13. That's some seriously fucked up reasoning

and thoroughly unacceptable in ALL cases. Fuck their honor.

[Bradical79]

17. Eye for an eye on a family or clan level

Women are practically livestock in societies like these. Old fucked up clan dynamics reinforced by religion.

Glad they took down the entire council.

[bettyellen]

18. Interesting they punish the weak. When a woman does something bad do they ever punish her dad or

Brother?

[Bradical79]

20. No idea

Women are so subjugated I would think such crimes against men/boys would be extremely rare. Also being councils entirely made up by men, I'm sure they exempt themselves from such reasoning often.

[Equinox Moon]

3. OH!!! that poor girl!

[keithbvadu2]

4. Justice - order the accused to be raped, not his sister.

Justice - order the accused to be raped, not his sister.

[obamanut2012]

6. So, you are okay with corrective rape -- got it

WTF, man.

[keithbvadu2]

7. So you were ok as long as it was the sister revenge raped... Got it

Love how you jumped to conclusions.

Enjoy this one.

[yardwork]

8. You are way out of line.

You did indeed post above that it would be justice for the accused to be raped. Posters have been banned from DU for advocating rape. I suggest that you delete both your posts in this thread.

[keithbvadu2]

9. Was the sarcasm too subtle?

[obamanut2012]

15. No, your sarcasm wasn't subtle, nor was your saying revenge rape was okay if it was the rapist

Who was raped.

Most of us here don't think any type of rape is okay, nor "rape jokes."

You could have just apologized and deleted like a decent person, instead of tripling down and mainsplaining and insulting two women.

[Bradical79]

19. Exactly

It's also the exact same reasoning that led to this in the first place. In this society they just view such crimes as being against the entire family (or perpetrated by the family) rather than the individual, so raping the young daughter/sister of the other family falls into their eye for an eye reasoning.

[keithbvadu2]

22. So you are just doubling down instead of admitting you were wrong.

OK.

[obamanut2012]

14. Nope, you did indeed say you were okay with the rapist getting raped

YOU said what I said you said. I didn't say what you said I did.

This isn't gizmodo or something -- you can't get away with lying about a poster.

[christx30]

16. Game of thrones has the right idea.

Rapers can choose execution, or joining the Night's Watch. I wonder if there is a Pakistani equivalent to taking the black?
Maybe force him to join the military. Give him no leave, ever. He's in it until he dies.

[Demonaut]

5. progress...at least the women are still alive...what a fucked up system!

[dhol82]

12. At least for now

Often they are killed by the family for dishonoring them by being raped.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Kick (nt)

[GulfCoast66]

23. Surely their religious elders

Condemned and tried to prevent this act of inhumanity.