Conway: Trump to decide 'this week' whether to let Obamacare implode
Source: POLITICO
President Donald Trump will decide "this week" whether to let Obamacare implode, White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said Sunday.
After the Senate failed to repeal Obamacare last week, the president said he would let law fall apart by ending cost sharing reduction payments, which lower out-of-pocket costs for lower-income people.
On Sunday, Conway said Trump is set to decide whether to actually end the payments.
Hes going to make that decision this week, and thats a decision that only he can make, Conway said on Fox News Sunday.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/30/conway-trump-obamacare-implode-241136
It's a tough decision: Throw millions off their insurance and destabilize the market or continue his get even with Obama strategy. Dear God, spare us from this little man we pray.
RKP5637
(67,101 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's not "imploding" at all. It's as if it were the World Trade Center towers damaged but still standing, thousands still working in their offices, after the Republicans have spent 7 years flying every plane, federal and state, into it that they could hijack and turn on it.
In fact, the very title of Politico's article qualifies as fake news. They know millions won't read past the header.
dalton99a
(81,426 posts)All-In
(312 posts)Sounds so appealing!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)exchange if they want subsidies!
list plans on healthcare.gov OR NO SUBSIDIES.
Allow plans to include more Doctors, cross state lines for increased competition. and prices will lower!
Get rid of the drug corporation PRICE GOUGING!
Get rid of the Republicans who stab YOU in the back Mr. Trump. Republican party doesn't want YOU to deal with drug corporations or insurance corps.
Price gouging is a pejorative term referring to when a seller spikes the prices of goods, services or commodities to a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair, and is considered exploitative, potentially to an unethical extent.
usaf-vet
(6,178 posts)When he should be saying the country has spoken so lets do the best we can to fix what is wrong and make a healthcare system the country can be proud off. But he won't.
There is sickness in this country and it starts in the oval office and is extremely contagious. You might say it's the new plague transmitted by the same vector..... rats.
alwaysinflux
(149 posts)To make this decision? Isn't this something congress would have to vote to approve?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Obama administration lawyers appealed that ruling - thus allowing the subsidy payments to continue while the appeal is pending.
Trump could defend the subsidies by dropping that appeal and allowing the court ruling to stand.
alwaysinflux
(149 posts)I didn't pay any attention to politics until Trump, so I completely missed all the ACA news. Had no idea about this. Thank you!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)A federal judge struck down a portion of President Obamas signature Affordable Care Act health law Thursday, ruling that Obama exceeded his authority in unilaterally funding a provision that sent billions of dollars in subsidies to health insurers.
In a 38-page decision, U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer of the District put her ruling on hold pending the administrations certain appeal. Her decision sided with the U.S. House of Representatives, which brought the lawsuit challenging more than $175 billion of spending after a party-line vote by House Republicans in July 2014.
The House GOP argued that the administrations decision to subsidize deductibles, co-pays and other cost-sharing measures was unconstitutional because Congress rejected an administration request for funding in 2014. Obama officials said they withdrew the request and spent the money, arguing that the subsidies were covered by an earlier, permanent appropriation.
House Republicans have tried repeatedly, without much success, to repeal parts or all of the health-care law, holding dozens of votes on the matter over the past five years. Thursdays ruling may represent their most significant victory in trying to dismantle the ACA. The ruling, if upheld, could undermine the stability of the program because of the added financial burden it would place on insurers, health policy experts said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/judge-strikes-down-obama-health-law-insurance-subsidy-in-victory-for-house-gop/2016/05/12/67a8af78-1863-11e6-9e16-2e5a123aac62_story.html?utm_term=.1af989a553b2
mobeau69
(11,139 posts)"But even if we assume Trump and the GOP dont want to be caught inflicting harm so brazenly, there is no shortage of ways for them to stoke dysfunction until the markets are tattered and shrunken. The biggest risk, to my mind, isnt a discrete thing that the administration might do, Bagley said. Its all the discrete things it might not do.
https://newrepublic.com/article/144113/next-republicans-agenda-sabotaging-obamacare
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Trump can end the subsidies without any help (or input) from Congress.
A federal judge has already ruled they are unconstitutional - all Trump would have to do is drop the appeal.
mobeau69
(11,139 posts)A new law is the key here isn't it? A lot of people better be paying attention. They are about to get F'd.
liberal from boston
(856 posts)The US Supreme Court the highest Court in America has ruled Obamacare is constitutional & is the law of the land:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/obamacare-survives-supreme-court-challenge/2015/06/25/af87608e-188a-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html?utm_term=.75a90becd281
http://www.chicagotribune.com/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-risk-corridor-20160518-snap-story.html
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)It hasn't reached the supreme court, and it is under appeal.
In general, the executive branch has broad powers to basically do whatever it wants, as long as what it want is (a) not unconstitutional and (b) not contrary to any law passed by congress. (That's why Executive Orders are possible in the first place.) My understanding is that since there is currently no legal requirement that these payments be made, he has the power to stop them.
The possible solutions are for a higher court to overturn the lower court decision OR for congress to pass a law requiring that these payments be made. As I posted elsewhere, I think that could easily happen, if Trump pushes the issue. See https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141833543#post7 and the replies to that.
mobeau69
(11,139 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)As an atheist, my clasping hands and chanting skyward comes to naught - kinda like Bernie Sanders doing good for folks without a damn (D) next to his name. Maybe I need a (C) or an (M) or a (J) to give my praying a tone of sincerity. You know - a sorta "get out the votive" so that our maker might have pity on us! And too, I've got alot of possessions I could sell and give the proceeds to the poor. That'd surely get his (or her) attentions.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)Obviously all the Dems would vote for a bill to restore the payments. I think enough Republicans would cross to support it as well. It hurts too many of their states. Those Republicans who voted against the repeal-and-replace because it didn't go far enough in getting rid of ACA are a lost cause. But those who voted against it because they thought it took too much away could support such a bill.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The subsidy payments have already been ruled unconstitutional. The only reason they have continued is because the Obama administration lawyers appealed that ruling. Trump could simply have that appeal dropped and then the ruling would stand.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)It was argued as a case of the executive branch over-stepping its authority. There is nothing to prevent Congress from passing a bill that appropriates the funds.
In fact, under your scenario, if the appeal continued to the SC, and the SC ruled against it, that would be the end of the subsidy payments. But that's not automatically true... rather, it would mean, in order for payments to continue, congress would have to pass a law to authorize the payments. That's the same thing I'm suggesting they could just as well do now, if the political will exists.
certainot
(9,090 posts)who have been allowed without complaint or protest to yell and lie that obamacare is a failure for 7 years.
the major part of the made-to-order constituency of dittoheads/teabags and racists that have enabled and intimidated r-con reps to obstruct improvements for 7 years and now to repeal it are primary and secondary targets of the talk radio psyops and dems don't even poll for.
we even let 88 universities support 257 limbaugh stations.....
bigly stupid
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still_one
(92,110 posts)budget reconciliation bill per topic per year, and they blew it with this last fiasco:
"I'm not sure if it's really being appreciated just how comprehensively the Republicans were just fucked over.
See, the Republicans have been trying to pass these godawful healthcare bills through a process called budget reconciliation, which, among other things, protects the bill from being filibustered in the Senate and only requires a simple majority of 50 votes (rather than 60, which the Republicans don't have).
The thing is, the Senate can only consider one budget reconciliation bill per topic per year. Of course, if the bill dies in committee and never comes to an official vote, it doesn't count- which is why they've been able to keep hammering away at the issue.
This bill, though, was allowed to come to the Senate floor, because the Republicans thought they'd secured the votes. Collins, Murkowski and the Democrats would vote no, everyone else would vote yes, and Pence would break the tie. And then McCain completely fucked them. And it was almost certainly a calculated move; he voted to allow the bill to come to the floor. Had McCain allowed it to die in committee, McConnell could have come back with yet another repeal bill; but he let it come to a vote, and now they can't consider another budget reconciliation bill for the rest of the fiscal year. The Senate needs 60 votes to pass any kind of healthcare reform now.
So now they're caught between a rock and a hard place. Either they concede defeat on the issue and try again later (causing a big, unpopular stink that could damage elections if they try it before the midterms, or risking losing the slim majority they already have if they wait) or they actually sit down with the democrats like adults and write a halfway decent healthcare bill.
This is amazing."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9387508
Now perhaps the POS that occupies the WH may try to something without Congress, but that will go through the courts, it won't be up to trump, and if he pushes McConnell to change the filibuster rules for "bills", and McConnell abides, they McConnell will have just put the a nail in the coffin of the republican party, because this will come back to haunt him when the Democrats regain control, and they will regain control of Congress. Maybe it will be in 2018, maybe 2020, but it will happen
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Senate health care bill is still under consideration and is still on the Senate calendar. The votes thus far have been on amendments, not the actual bill.
Edit to add: It's amazing how some random person's Reddit post has been taken as some kind of authority by so many people. (Not meaning you, but I've seen this person's post cited all over the place, even though it's wrong).
still_one
(92,110 posts)"To trigger the reconciliation process, Congress passes a concurrent resolution on the budget instructing one or more committees to report changes in law affecting the budget by a certain date. If the budget instructs more than one committee, then those committees send their recommendations to the Budget Committee of their House, and the Budget Committee packages the recommendations into a single omnibus bill. In the Senate, the reconciliation bill then gets only 20 hours of debate and amendments are limited. Only one reconciliation bill can be passed in any given year.
A reconciliation bill is a bill containing changes in law recommended pursuant to reconciliation instructions in a budget resolution. If the instructions pertain to only one committee in a chamber, that committee reports the reconciliation bill. If the instructions pertain to more than one committee, the House Budget Committee reports an omnibus reconciliation bill, but it may not make substantive changes in the recommendations of the other committees."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
All the reports I have been reading have indicated that the ACA repeal is dead for now, and the WH appears to be going bonkers over the Senate filibuster rules, so I question if the repeal is still under consideration:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/politics/trump-health-care-senate-votes-tweet/index.html
Trumpdumper
(171 posts)Oberliner is correct. The Senate has not passed the bill. Therefore, reconciliation can still be applied to legislation this fiscal year.
still_one
(92,110 posts)they are not going to waste anymore time on reconciliation. They are either going to have to work with the Democrats to craft a bill through committee, or it will remain a on hold until the make up of the senate changes, which will not happen for a while, and there are too many republicans unwilling to work with Democrats on this, so I think they will move on
The stakes for 2018 just got higher
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)it won't be as easy as this clown makes it seem for bannon/trump to kill millions...
Tracer
(2,769 posts)isn't upholding the law one of the pResident's jobs?
doc03
(35,321 posts)laws USA. It should be an impeachable act if he doesn't.
Qutzupalotl
(14,296 posts)Obama tried to unilaterally extend an ACA deadline but he got blocked. This is MUCH worse; it's deliberately destroying a key funding provision out of pure spite, with no regard to the millions who will be impacted.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)"... ending cost sharing reduction payments,
which lower out-of-pocket costs for lower-income people."
keithbvadu2
(36,724 posts)Republicans talk about choice. I choose the better, lower cost health insurance Trump promised...
Bring it on!
Rural_Progressive
(1,105 posts)If it's good enough for the people who represent me, it's good enough for me. I'm not greedy, I don't want anything more than those good, hard working people who are doing the will of the people have.
Problem solved.
keithbvadu2
(36,724 posts)(Republican Congressman) voted for special benefits/treatment for himself, his family and staff.
https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment
Republicans exempt their own insurance from their latest House health care proposal
Republican legislators want to keep popular Obamacare provisions for themselves and their staff.
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This Former GOP Congressman Loathed Obamacare - Until He Lost His Own Coverage
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/david-jolly-obamacare_us_59529e05e4b02734df2de1be?section=us_politics
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I'm gonna decide whether or not you should STFU!
Ok, I'm done...you should.
Now, go cash your taxpayer provided paycheck.
Blue Idaho
(5,044 posts)From the moment the Repeal and Replace legislation made it to the House floor - they are now responsible for what ever happens to American healthcare.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)with the effect that insurers are getting out of Dodge as fast as possible and those remaining run up their premiums 20% to cover their potential losses. So he doesn't have to actually yank the subsidies, which would get his base up in arms, to achieve the lethal effect.
p.s. heard this yesterday on NPR, in an interview with somebody from Kaiser I think
stopbush
(24,393 posts)promised but haven't received for two years.
Here's how it goes down: tRump cancels the payments. Insurance companies seek and are granted an injunction by a court. Court rules payments must continue. Eventually, a court rules that stopping payments was unlawful to begin with, and the feds are now on the hook for $8-B in back payments, thanks to Little Marco's Magic Act.
Rs wail and complain, insurers announce they can now open up shop in many more markets, ensuing competition lowers prices, ACA is solidified as the nation's healthcare system for at least the next 5 years.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Nitram
(22,776 posts)publicity, helping Obamacare implode or signing on to fixing Obamacare."
FakeNoose
(32,613 posts)Obamacare is the law of the land. Somebody should 'splain that to him.
Nitram
(22,776 posts)I was just guessing what was going on in Trumps' mind, not commenting on reality.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)He's already decided to pull the payments. He just wants another Rose Garden announcement.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I hear if Trump doesn't hold up the feds part there will be lawsuits aplenty.
I know if my sick child or spouse was denied medical coverage because of BLOTUS holding back funds I would call every newspaper and TV station in the area to get it documented in public what a filthy POS our "pResident" is!!!
George II
(67,782 posts)...the potential veto of the Russia sanctions bill, which passed by a combined 517-5. I would have LOVED to see him veto that one and have it overridden by a combined 517-5!
mobeau69
(11,139 posts)proves he's psycho. To any normal human being there's nothing to decide here but he seems to enjoy keeping millions of Americans tied up in knots and unable to sleep nights thanks to his sick little game. In short, the gross fucker's nuts.
C_U_L8R
(44,996 posts)Trump's gimmicks are transparent and have a very short shelf life. He's gotta scheme up some new material before his base catches on.
Kingofalldems
(38,440 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)He himself doesn't know what is going to happen, because he's a lazy fucking jackass. He's waiting for his marching orders.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)"let in implode" meme. It implies passivity. The message is meant to be, "This thing is so screwed up that if we don't rescue it, it will implode." This could not be further from the truth. The legislation requires certain payments, on which the program is dependent to work. There's nothing passive about not making the payments. Not making the required payments is not LETTING anything happen, it's causing something to happen. It's like if I let my orchid die by never watering it. I'm not letting it die, I'm killing it.