Teenager kills 8 , wounds 5 in China knife attack

[jody]

Source: Associated Press

A teenager killed eight people with a knife and wounded five more in northeast China after falling out with his girlfriend, state media said Thursday.

The teen killed two of her family members and six more people before fleeing, the state-run Legal Daily newspaper said. It reported he was caught but did not describe the circumstances.


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China should only permit citizens to use knives who pass a mental test showing they are mentally qualified to can keep and bear knives.

[Lasher]

1. OMG, next we'll all be defiled by knife porn!

[Xyzse]

2. Dangit!

I was planning on starting an organization I would call NSS (National Sword Society).
Dumb people ruining it for everybody else.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Using a knife is better.

Rock throwing was causing rotator cuff injuries.

[Hugabear]

4. Sarcasm fail is still fail

China should only permit citizens to use knives who pass a mental test showing they are mentally qualified to can keep and bear knives.

Is it unreasonable to want to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable?

[Turbineguy]

5. If the Chinese

had proper 2nd Amendment Rights like in a decent civilized country, he could have killed at least 17 people without reloading.

[Lasher]

6. How many people can you kill with a knife without reloading?

More than 17, I'll bet.

[Scout]

9. LOL yeah, if they just stand there and let you.

one can (maybe) outrun an attacker wielding a knife ... a bullet, not so much.

one can (probably) be safe behind a closed door from an attacker wielding a knife ... a bullet, not so much.

one can survive a "drive by knifing" from an attacker wielding a knife ... a bullet, not so much.

get the picture yet? it's clear to most civilized people.

[Lasher]

11. The strong can more easily prey on the weak in your gun-free world.

Yes, I get the picture.

[booley]

19. but thanks to guns

you can prey on your fellow human beings regardless of your skill or physical ability.

YAY!!!

[pkdu]

21. Plus 100,000,000 nt

[Lasher]

23. And you can do the same with poison.

That's why we need to focus on the killers instead of punishing the innocent.

[booley]

24. and yet

... mass poisonings don't occur nearly as often as mass shootings.

Clearly there's something potential mass murderers like about fire arms.

[Lasher]

25. That is true, but the massacre at Jonestown reminds us of the deadly potential of poison.

However, explosives seem to be the weapons most commonly used in the biggest mass murders.

[booley]

31. explosives are tricky

in regards to the jone town poisoning, if you can get hundreds of people to believe you are going to send them to heaven and IF you can get them to cooperate with their own murder, then sure, poison can work.

As for explosives, they can cause great mayhem. But guns are still the overwhelming choice.

Also explosives sometimes go off on their own, killing the bomber. Guns can go off on thier own but since they aren't an area of effect, they aren't as deadly due ot screw ups in that regard.

When it comes to killing, if given a choice mass murders generally always prefer guns.

[Lasher]

35. The 900 Jonestown dead included over 200 murdered children.

This was mostly a coerced mass suicide except for these children. They were murdered with cyanide.

Contrary to you claim, mass murderers do not "generally always prefer guns."

Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/07/aurora_shooting_how_did_people_commit_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html

[Scout]

26. i never said anything about gun-free

and the strong will ALWAYS be able to more easily prey on the weak, guns or no guns.

guns make it so much easier for the average asshole, in addition to criminals, thugs, murderers, to prey on anyone, weak or not. you can be as "strong" as you like, but you can't keep the average asshole from shooting you from across the street ...

also, funny thing, when these creeps, jerks, assholes and criminals have access to a gun, that's their weapon of choice. they aren't generally using knives or poison unless they DON'T have access to a gun. funny how that works, eh?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

42. Yes, when I was in graduate school, an undergraduate was shot dead by a 13-year-old

who did it just for fun after taking his wallet.

[B2G]

10. Hu Wenhai and Liu Haiwang killed 14 and injured 3

using knives.

Qiu Xinghua killed 11 and injured 2 using axes and knives.

[4th law of robotics]

17. I'd take our situation over theirs any day.

[Paladin]

7. Our Resident Gun Militants Are Overjoyed By This. (nt)

[Archae]

14. No. The simple point here is...

Anything that can be used as a weapon will be.

A knife
An axe
A gun
A chainsaw

Etc...

We need to concentrate on the person DOING the crime.

Not give the perps excuses like they didn't get a puppy when they were little and not blaming a lump of metal and plastic for what is done WITH that lump of metal and plastic.

Remember I mentioned my cousin's son, who was shot and wounded in the Crandon, WI massacre?
The shooter was a deputy sheriff, and his gun of choice was the M-16 knockoff that deputy sheriffs are issued, since the meth makers up in Crandon are armed with AK-47's, Glocks, etc.

That sheriff's office should have been able to see something was wrong with the deputy who went off.
But they ignored the problem until he did shoot and kill his girlfriend, 5 other kids and then himself.

[Paladin]

27. I Stand By My Comment.

The delight of gun militants in tragic incidents such as this can be depended upon. The posts in this thread confirm this.

[24601]

38. Sorry to disappoint you, but this defender of our Constitution doesn't take any pleasure

in the murder of people by a knife. It's still a tragedy regardless of the means and you should speak for yourself instead of trying to score cheap political points pretending to know how I judge these events.

[Paladin]

41. Sorry, No Sale.

If you don't think that my comment is adequately substantiated by posts on this thread, I refer you to the thread in Gun Control/RKBA on the same subject---107 posts the last time I looked, and plenty of predictably happy Gun Enthusiasts in plain view......

[24601]

45. Sale? My oath to support the constitution was never put on the auction block. These murders are

not mitigated by the weapon used and the families affected are in no way comforted by those making snide comments.

Stereotyping is just one of the faces of prejudice.

[mike_c]

8. thankfully, he wasn't able to easily access guns....

I suspect the death and injury toll would be much higher if he had guns.

[arbusto_baboso]

12. If only one of the victims had had a knife....

They could've put a quick end to this...

[Bacchus4.0]

13. better yet, a gun n/t

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[arbusto_baboso]

15. Yes. Because what could POSSIBLY have gone wrong with that?

[4th law of robotics]

16. Was it double edged or serrated?

Was the handle ergonomically designed? Did it have black finish.

My god, it didn't have a bayonet lug did it?

These kinds of military style assault knives were never meant to fall in to the hands of the public. They're easily 10,000 times more deadly than regular civilian style knives according to a study I just made up (disagreeing with me proves you want people to die, especially children. So don't).

[Igel]

18. Now, now.

You know assault knives have to have a two-edge setting.

You're just describing an assault edge, a completely different kind of thing.

[booley]

20. I know many of you are slavering at the mouth over this

.. because you think you have fresh ammunition for the old canard that if we reduced guns then we would still have as high a murder rate as we do.

A few problems I see:

First, even with these killings, China still has less homicide then the US. China has a homicide rate around 1.2 per 100,000 people. The US is around 5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Secondly, no one ever said knives weren't lethal. They are incredibly lethal, in some ways more then a gun.. at close range. But the whole point of a gun is the ability to kill someone from a distance before they can run away or fight back. There are few drive by knifings and I'm pretty sure snipers gave up on the bow and arrow long ago.

So great! You've proved knives are lethal in the right circumstances. Too bad no one was saying otherwise.

And lastly the basis for the argument behind this is fallacious.

Yes in China they have strict gun control laws and yet here was this horrible tragedy. And even in countries with gun laws stricter then ours, there are massecres using guns. The UK had Cumbria and Hungerford.

So , the argument goes, we shouldn't do gun control laws because criminals won't obey the law (since that is what makes them, by definition, criminals)

But wait.. if we take to it's logical conclusion then why stop at gun control laws? Why have laws against murder or rape or stealing? Why have laws at all.

Last I heard, people were still committing murder and rape and stealing. So why single out gun law when clearly criminals are willing to commit all manner of crimes? Is it possible that the demanding 100% effectiveness for any law is unreasonable? (especially when there are lots of variables for crime, gun availability being just one)

This is what bugs the hell out of me about these debates. Arguing we shouldn't concern ourselves with gun control laws because it's unlikely to stop all violence acts as a distraction to the real relevant question..

Are there gun control laws that would reduce gun fatalities and if so, which ones?

We can't even bring that question up as part of a debate on public policy without being attacked. Even researching this is seen as some back handed attempt at banning guns. Publicly funded research on gun deaths is now seen as political suicide. And that's a problem because as bad as the attack in China cited above and the massacres in the UK and elsewhere in the world...

When it comes to gun deaths, these other countries at their worst is nothing compared to our average day.

[pkdu]

22. I truly like the reasoned argument posted here.... Looking forward to the reasoned responses nt

[4th law of robotics]

30. China is a police state

their official stats are what the officials want to tell us.

So I would take all that with a grain of salt.

/and I'm assuming it doesn't count the people casually shot by the police (or beaten to death) for various annoyances.

[booley]

32. granted china is a police state

but even when we compare our gun crime to other non police states, ours is much higher.

And there's no evidence that China has more gun crime per population then we do.

Even in police states, people talk and the truth gets out.

I admit I am also kind of annoyed at how you completely ignored the point I was making.

[4th law of robotics]

33. The point you were making was based on China's official crime statistics being accurate

I've read enough about them (and anecdotally from my travels there) to know that the official stats can usually be assumed to be lies.

So any argument based on them being accurate is off to a bad start.

[bitchkitty]

28. I opened this thread

wondering how many posts it would take for a gun freak to jump in and make his point. It didn't take long, did it? You posted about this poor crazy person and his victims so you could make your tired old fucking point that guns don't kill people. Jesus fucking Christ! I cannot believe the depths to which some people will stoop for their pet issue.

[LanternWaste]

29. So sad. Knife attacks resulting in mass killing are very common...

So sad. Knife attacks resulting in mass killing are very common... we see them on the news quite often, the result being that the National Knife Association and its adherents cry foul every time these stories show up on the national news and a dialog is attempted.

Although it is a bit bemusing to me that more often than not, when a dialog does begin, one or another party devolves the discussion by saying something along the lines of "really bad reporting, the author used the term 'knife', but the perp actually used a Finnish Pukko knife which do not have serrated edges, and so can't be considered real knives at all..." "knife attacks, overall are down-- and anyways, you're more likely to be stabbed by a family member than by a complete stranger", "when knives are outlawed, only outlaws will be Iron Chefs..."

[Lydia Leftcoast]

43. LIKE

If I may use a Facebook term

[Exultant Democracy]

34. Good thing he didn't have an assault rifle with an extended clip.

Looks like the gun laws in China saved a lot of people. Had this been the US the body count would have been far higher.

[Atlatl]

36. Really?

Look at the weapons used in murders according to the FBI, lots more people killed by knives than killed by rifles:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls

[24601]

40. How dare you inject facts into an ideological argument....

[treestar]

37. If he killed 8 with knives

He could have killed 28 with guns. don't be ridiculous.

[24601]

39. Please post your references that he had any firearms proficiency. If you have no facts to base it's

OK to admit you made it up - nobody here will condemn you for it since you have a 1st amendment right to make stuff up.

[treestar]

46. Oh puleeze

How much proficiency do these mass shooters need? None. They aren't aiming. They are just randomly shooting. Can you not discuss this without snark that has no value?

[lib2DaBone]

44. Quick.. ship more jobs there....

[Franker65]

47. Sad

Sad story. Seems massacres are on the up world wide. Better be careful.