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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 12:41 PM Sep 2017

Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has obtained a letter that President Trump and a top political aide drafted in the days before Mr. Trump fired the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, which explains the president’s rationale for why he planned to dismiss the director.

The May letter had been met with opposition from Donald F. McGahn II, the White House counsel, who believed that some of its contents were problematic, according to interviews with a dozen administration officials and others briefed on the matter.

Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president’s top political advisers. A different letter, written by the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, and focused on Mr. Comey’s handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server, was ultimately sent to the F.B.I. director on the day he was fired.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html

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Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey (Original Post) ehrnst Sep 2017 OP
Wowzers!! Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author shanny Sep 2017 #2
A 2fer to boot! DeminPennswoods Sep 2017 #17
Miller's name is a red flag. If he had a hand in it you know it is pure evil. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #18
Miller is Sessions' long time aide DeminPennswoods Sep 2017 #20
I didn't know that. I am more confused now. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #23
Oh, Pigman (are we related, by the way?) spiderpig Sep 2017 #24
Don't feel sorry for Mueller and his team. janx Sep 2017 #25
How did he obtain it ? OnDoutside Sep 2017 #3
Somebody kept it as leverage for when it all came crashing down? (Nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #4
Had to be someone in a small circle though ? McGahn himself ? OnDoutside Sep 2017 #5
Almost certainly. Attorneys in JenniferJuniper Sep 2017 #7
Justice Department turned it over. n/t Qutzupalotl Sep 2017 #8
Curious as to who kept it. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #9
It was most likely sitting on a computer network... Princess Turandot Sep 2017 #13
The DOJ turned over a copy but it was Stephen Miller who drafted the letter. I am curious as riversedge Sep 2017 #14
Probably Rosenstein. tinrobot Sep 2017 #12
And his the turd's lawyers allowed this? Good grief. nt jrthin Sep 2017 #6
MultiLayer Cake bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #10
YEP janx Sep 2017 #11
So many lines to read between Sanity Claws Sep 2017 #15
Or McGahn suggested that a letter be drafted by the Justice Dept. janx Sep 2017 #16
How did Mueller "obtain" MontanaMama Sep 2017 #19
the number of sources on these stories DeminPennswoods Sep 2017 #21
It makes me laugh... janx Sep 2017 #22
remember that huge stack of papers/files trump had on TV in 5th street tower as "business files"? Sunlei Sep 2017 #26
This lawyer here tweets explaining a lot about this: https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #27
I guess I need to start "twittering"... Blue_Roses Sep 2017 #34
he already admitted to Lester Holt it was about Russia SethH Sep 2017 #28
Washington Post: janx Sep 2017 #29
I want the proof of collusion. Obstruction of justice isn't enough. mucifer Sep 2017 #30
I doubt even then Matthew28 Sep 2017 #32
So... Feldmarschall Von Miller vas allowet to draft a letter... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #31
Drip drip Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #33
Mueller is tough .. Hieronymus Sep 2017 #35

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
1. Wowzers!!
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 12:45 PM
Sep 2017

So there's basically a letter of him admitting to obstructing justice. In writing.

This seems like the kind of thing prosecutors can only dream about.

Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #1)

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
18. Miller's name is a red flag. If he had a hand in it you know it is pure evil.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 03:25 PM
Sep 2017

When I read this I thought, "When will he be fired/resign?". Bannon and Gorka are gone so maybe if this gets out and his name is attached to it there will be pressure for him to hit the road.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
23. I didn't know that. I am more confused now.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 03:40 PM
Sep 2017

I can't keep track of the "loyalties" and backgrounds of these players. It is exhausting. They are all corrupt, have their own evil, sociopathic agendas and relationships. It is a twisted web of deception. Poor, poor Mueller and his team. They know how important their job is but the network of actors is so deep and complicated they need to be thorough yet timely (to save the country).

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
24. Oh, Pigman (are we related, by the way?)
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 03:53 PM
Sep 2017

I have to rely on Lawrence, Rachel, Chris Hayes, Joy Reid, and even Brian Williams to explain it all to me.

I can only hope and believe that Mueller, like Mr. pig, is a bull-headed son-of-a-gun who will not be threatened or distracted by shiny objects.

Trump is a vile piece of work. I would never want to work for him. I would never want to live in the same neighborhood. Hell, I'm ashamed to share the same planet.

Here's hoping Mueller rescues us from this psychotic and his cabal.

janx

(24,128 posts)
25. Don't feel sorry for Mueller and his team.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 03:56 PM
Sep 2017

Researching and keeping track of these things is what they do! And no one is better at it.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
13. It was most likely sitting on a computer network...
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 02:21 PM
Sep 2017

probably the White House counsel's, as drafts/versions/revisions of documents tend to be kept in the usual course of business. Or it may have been attached to an email sent via the White House system to various people for review. (The appointment of the Special Counsel didn't happen until weeks after Comey was fired. So, they likely weren't worried about the text of the draft in question.)

Once Mueller was made aware of its existence, they pretty much had to give him a copy.

riversedge

(70,208 posts)
14. The DOJ turned over a copy but it was Stephen Miller who drafted the letter. I am curious as
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 02:25 PM
Sep 2017

to why Justice had a copy???



....The Justice Department turned over a copy of the letter to Mr. Mueller in recent weeks.


Ty Cobb, a White House lawyer, declined to discuss the letter or its contents. “To the extent the special prosecutor is interested in these matters, we will be fully transparent with him,’’ he said.

Mr. Miller drafted the letter at the urging of Mr. Trump during a weekend in May, when Mr. Trump and his team were at the president’s private golf club in Bedminster, N.J. During that same weekend, as Mr. Trump and a small group of aides were in Bedminster devising a rationale for Mr. Comey’s dismissal, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Mr. Rosenstein were working on a parallel effort to fire Mr. Comey.
...................

tinrobot

(10,898 posts)
12. Probably Rosenstein.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 02:15 PM
Sep 2017

Since he wrote the second letter, he probably had a copy of the first...

...and I'm sure he has no qualms about working with Mueller.

janx

(24,128 posts)
11. YEP
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 01:40 PM
Sep 2017

"Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president’s top political advisers. A different letter, written by the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, and focused on Mr. Comey’s handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server, was ultimately sent to the F.B.I. director on the day he was fired."

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
15. So many lines to read between
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 02:52 PM
Sep 2017

Did Trump instruct Rosenstein to write a letter after McGahn blocked the original letter? If so, it looks like the Rosenstein letter was pure pretext.

janx

(24,128 posts)
16. Or McGahn suggested that a letter be drafted by the Justice Dept.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 02:57 PM
Sep 2017

We can only imagine what a letter drafted by Trump and Miller contained...

janx

(24,128 posts)
22. It makes me laugh...
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 03:36 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Fri Sep 1, 2017, 04:31 PM - Edit history (1)

every time!

Edited to add: Anything leaked from that investigation is leaked intentionally. A harmless crumb tossed at the media once in awhile.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
26. remember that huge stack of papers/files trump had on TV in 5th street tower as "business files"?
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 04:03 PM
Sep 2017

bet those papers weren't simply business files.

and no one has seen those papers, Not Muellers crew or anyone.

SethH

(170 posts)
28. he already admitted to Lester Holt it was about Russia
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 05:05 PM
Sep 2017

he already confessed to obstructing justice.

I suppose this is stronger evidence but I'd like it explained how his admission in a national TV interview somehow isn't enough evidence.

janx

(24,128 posts)
29. Washington Post:
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 05:21 PM
Sep 2017

-snip-

Which brings us to that letter. According to The Post reporters, who were briefed on its contents, it doesn't dwell on Russia, but it does express concern Comey wouldn't say publicly Trump himself wasn't under investigation.

The letter was drafted with top White House adviser Stephen Miller, a former Senate aide to now-Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Miller has been among the most controversial and ideologically extreme members of the White House staff, and it's tempting to believe he wouldn't rein in Trump's impulses in the drafting of the letter.

We also know the letter was multiple pages — suggesting plenty to pick apart — and aides cautioned Trump against at least some of its contents. The Times reports White House counsel Don McGahn believed the letter was “problematic.”

-snip-



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/01/bob-mueller-has-trumps-letter-explaining-why-he-fired-james-comey-heres-why-thats-big/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.a6e99fba2f35

mucifer

(23,542 posts)
30. I want the proof of collusion. Obstruction of justice isn't enough.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:00 PM
Sep 2017

I hope Mueller can do both and throw in some financial evil illegal stuff to boot.

Call me greedy.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
31. So... Feldmarschall Von Miller vas allowet to draft a letter...
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:25 PM
Sep 2017

... firingk za head uf za FBI?

Hmm. Veddy interstingk. But stoopid!



You think maybe there's some off the rails, bat shit crazy in those pages?

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