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riversedge

(70,204 posts)
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:29 PM Sep 2017

John McCain Is Pushing An Idea That Could Be A Huge Help To Puerto Rico

Source: Huff post


HuffPost September 26, 2017

WASHINGTON ― Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is urging acting Secretary of Homeland Security Elaine Duke to take an action that could significantly help Puerto Rico amid its unfolding humanitarian crisis: waive the Jones Act.

The law requires that all goods shipped between U.S. ports be carried by American-owned and operated ships. That means Puerto Rico pays double the shipping costs for goods from the U.S. mainland compared to neighboring islands. DHS has gotten emergency waivers to the Jones Act twice in the last months in response to recent hurricanes, and McCain says Duke should waive the law again to speed up relief efforts on the island decimated last week by Hurricane Maria.

“It is unacceptable to force the people of Puerto Rico to pay at least twice as much for food, clean drinking water, supplies and infrastructure due to Jones Act requirements as they work to recover from this disaster,” McCain said in a Tuesday letter to Duke. “We must treat this emergency relief with urgency ― every day that business owners are unable to recover their assets and account for lost business, the economy will retreat even further into devastation.”

Here’s the full letter:

DHS was not receptive to McCain’s request...............

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Xposted:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029643817

Timothy Castantine🔎‏ @Castantine 1h1 hour ago

Trump on why they won't lift the Jones Act.

"Cuz shipping industry threw a tantrum."

Absolutely unbelievable.










John McCain‏Verified account @SenJohnMcCain

Shipping industry supports #JonesAct b/c it's protectionist. #PuertoRico deserves better than policy decisions driven by special interests.
1:43 PM - 27 Sep 2017




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John McCain Is Pushing An Idea That Could Be A Huge Help To Puerto Rico (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2017 OP
Can't it be temporary ? This is an emergency situation JI7 Sep 2017 #1
Their neighbors in nearby US Virgin Island territories have permanent Jones Act exemptions... EarthFirst Sep 2017 #2
I don't believe trump. It can't be good for the shipping industry to let the island go down shraby Sep 2017 #3
McCain has had mercuryblues Sep 2017 #4
You believe it is appropriate for tiny Puerto Rico's citizens to pay TWICE as much for everything? Judi Lynn Sep 2017 #11
The Jones act basically mercuryblues Sep 2017 #32
I just don't understand why it's taken a week to even start making a decision on aid.... George II Sep 2017 #5
Hillary Clinton wouldn't have botched this. ANY of this. calimary Sep 2017 #20
Let me explain PJMcK Sep 2017 #26
Weak leadership leaves aid at port JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #29
Since we cut tax breaks to PR to bring DK504 Sep 2017 #6
McCain, as a Navy man, Turbineguy Sep 2017 #7
Puerto Rico has lots of debt owed to big friends of Trump. EarthFirst Sep 2017 #8
The beauty is Turbineguy Sep 2017 #9
Well they certainly are gonna pay back if they don't have a goddamn island with a population elehhhhna Sep 2017 #19
That is a big problem with any municipal debt Yupster Sep 2017 #27
The ports haven't even been fully open. Yonnie3 Sep 2017 #10
Maybe this will shed some light.... Turbineguy Sep 2017 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Sep 2017 #24
Hope some good people will step forward and support this wise, decent suggestion. Judi Lynn Sep 2017 #13
Could be a coincidence, I suppose, Mr.Bill Sep 2017 #14
The Jones Act is a lot like fetishizing coal Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #15
Bingo Stallion Sep 2017 #17
Yes but they make huge campaign contributions FakeNoose Oct 2017 #34
Appeal to his ego. BadgerMom Sep 2017 #16
If it's good enough for Big Awl, it should be good enough for Puerto Rico sandensea Sep 2017 #18
OR KentuckyWoman Sep 2017 #21
For most Americans Puerto Rico is not part of our country yorkie77 Sep 2017 #22
Trump values dollars for rich friends over human lives. hay rick Sep 2017 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Sep 2017 #25
I read it, sounds like BS to me marylandblue Sep 2017 #28
It's the thought that counts, isn't it, Donald ? I think Joe Chi Minh Sep 2017 #30
Nice gesture, but it won't help. Scruffy1 Sep 2017 #31
I was being ironical, Scruffy. Sarcastic even. Joe Chi Minh Oct 2017 #33

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
2. Their neighbors in nearby US Virgin Island territories have permanent Jones Act exemptions...
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:34 PM
Sep 2017

So this is more dog whistle behavior by the WH & The Swamp Creatures.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
3. I don't believe trump. It can't be good for the shipping industry to let the island go down
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:36 PM
Sep 2017

the tubes to the point where it would make no difference whether there was a Jones Act or not. If the population has to relocate because they can't live there, There will be no shipping at all.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
4. McCain has had
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:36 PM
Sep 2017

it in for the Jones act for decades. I do not trust him, nor the republiklans on this. Not one bit.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
11. You believe it is appropriate for tiny Puerto Rico's citizens to pay TWICE as much for everything?
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:55 PM
Sep 2017

How can that benefit anyone other than the industrialists and their puppets in Congress?

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
32. The Jones act basically
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:26 PM
Sep 2017

works like this. A foreign flagged ship can not pick up cargo in one American port and drop it off in another American port. Foreign flagged ships can go to PR and drop off goods and pick up exports. They just can't drop those exports off at another American port. As a matter of fact 2/3 of the ships that call on PR are foreign flagged.

And they do not pay twice as much for goods because of the Jones act.

the cost of living comparison between PR and the USVI, which is not subject to the jones act.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Puerto+Rico&country2=Us+Virgin+Islands

cost of living comparison between Us and PR

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Puerto+Rico&country2=United+States

When a republican wants to repeal a law and starts quoting reports to shore up his claim they are lying. It's what they do. There is no way to calculate the financial cost to the consumers because of the Jones act. There are too many variables.

The problem is not that enough ships are bringing in supplies, the problem is the port is getting backed up because there is a shortage of semis and the roads are blocked. They can't get the goods where they need to go. Foreign ship are allowed to bring in relief from their country. The jones act does not stop that from happening.

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. I just don't understand why it's taken a week to even start making a decision on aid....
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:38 PM
Sep 2017

....to Puerto Rico. People are dying daily, the longer we wait the more that will die.

Aid was flowing to Houston and Florida just about a day or two after the storm cleared the area.

What we need is a Berlin Airlift type effort. Maybe most in government don't remember the Soviet Blockade and the Berlin Airlift?

JustAnotherGen

(31,818 posts)
29. Weak leadership leaves aid at port
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 05:39 AM
Sep 2017
https://m.


I hate video posts - but it's worth a watch.

The aid is there, but instead of letting Carmen Yulín Cruz (Mayor of San Juan) who is competent and capable take the lead and get all the stuff in those containers on the dock, then on a fueled truck, and out to the people in distress . . .

Trump is sitting around navel gazing.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
6. Since we cut tax breaks to PR to bring
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:38 PM
Sep 2017

industry to the island and they have gone tits up and the Dotard himself declared bankruptcy he should once again been removed form any decision making for the country.

All the Wall st. cretins are trying to clean up on PR debt and yet this admin refuse to do anything humane, it is inconceivable. Not waiving the Act is gouging and going to kill people.

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
7. McCain, as a Navy man,
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:39 PM
Sep 2017

has always been against the Jones Act.

In this case I don't know why trump is against a waiver, unless it is to hold Puerto Rico for ransom to create a backlash to get rid of it completely and forever.

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
8. Puerto Rico has lots of debt owed to big friends of Trump.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:43 PM
Sep 2017

It's schoolyard bullying on behalf of these individuals perpetrated by friends in high level government positions...

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
27. That is a big problem with any municipal debt
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:54 PM
Sep 2017

A group of people bind their city to a 30 year debt payback, and they move from the city, state, etc.

There's also a new kind of bond I've seen lately that I don't like. I've seen it mostly from California School Districts. The bond might be a 24 year bond that pays 0 % interest for the first six years and then pays a high interest rate (7.5 %) for the remainder of the 24 years. I've been messing with bonds for the last 30 years and I've only recently started to see these. I interpret it as let's borrow the money and we'll let the next school board start to pay it back.

Response to Turbineguy (Reply #12)

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
13. Hope some good people will step forward and support this wise, decent suggestion.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:59 PM
Sep 2017

How long can US selfish interests love their profits made at the extreme expense of living, suffering, non-monstrous human beings?

Thank you, riversedge.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
14. Could be a coincidence, I suppose,
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:02 PM
Sep 2017

but Elaine Chao's parents own a huge shipping company.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_S._C._Chao

She's Trump's Secretary of Transportation and Mitch McConnell's wife.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
15. The Jones Act is a lot like fetishizing coal
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:08 PM
Sep 2017

It's defending an industry that barely exists and has zero growth potential from barely existent threats.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
16. Appeal to his ego.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:16 PM
Sep 2017

"Surely, Mr. President, your wise leadership on this issue outweighs the shipping industry."

Unless, of course, he's asked to be cut in or Putin wants PR disabled.

sandensea

(21,627 posts)
18. If it's good enough for Big Awl, it should be good enough for Puerto Rico
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:49 PM
Sep 2017

Bush, after all, waived the Jones Act in 2005, after Katrina, to allow foreign ships to transport oil and gas between domestic ports (crucial at a time when inflation was already at its highest since 1980).

I doubt too many Republicans objected back then.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
21. OR
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:56 PM
Sep 2017

The cost is double what it was before the hurricane? That makes no sense. If cost is a concern, The captains of shipping could give Puerto Rico a discount so American workers in shipping could continue to work.

Well yeah, profits before people it won't happen but seriously.

yorkie77

(87 posts)
22. For most Americans Puerto Rico is not part of our country
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:07 PM
Sep 2017

And the politicians will be responsible for the greatest humanitarian tragedy ( in the shortest amount of time) in the country's history. In eight short months we have gone from the country that cares about the world to the country that only cared about our richest citizens. I hope our representatives who are not trying to help, all ....

hay rick

(7,608 posts)
23. Trump values dollars for rich friends over human lives.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:25 PM
Sep 2017

He occasionally pretends otherwise but nobody believes him. Not even his supporters.

Response to riversedge (Original post)

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
28. I read it, sounds like BS to me
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:00 AM
Sep 2017

This wasn't even a question in previous disasters, they just waived it because all that mattered was getting supplies in by the fastest possible means. That's all that matters now.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
30. It's the thought that counts, isn't it, Donald ? I think
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:56 AM
Sep 2017

you probably have a lot of good thoughts. And the country's all the better for those beautiful thoughts, even if they produce nomoran jack diddly.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
31. Nice gesture, but it won't help.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:13 AM
Sep 2017

It doesn't do any good to get more stuff there if there's no power for the cranes. Last I heard from friends in PR the airport was not fully fuctional and the only way to get people in and ourt was smaller planes to the Dominican Reublic. The US Army and Navy have the equipment to get things running again and should have been sent immediately. The reports I get is ships are sitting in port with no way to unload and many roads impassable. This is turning into a bigger mess than Katrina. Nobody in power gives a shit because they can't vote and if they could vote wouldn't vote for them. McLame is mererly getting his ego fed.

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