EMILY's List: Sanders headlining Women's Convention 'sends the wrong message'
Source: the hill
EMILY's List: Sanders headlining Women's Convention 'sends the wrong message'
By Josh Delk - 10/12/17 06:58 PM EDT
EMILY's List: Sanders headlining Women's Convention 'sends the wrong message'
EMILY's List, which backs female candidates who support abortion rights, said Thursday that organizers of the Women's Convention are sending "the wrong message" by having Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) as a featured speaker at the event.
"The choice of Senator Sanders sends the wrong message," said EMILY's List president Stephanie Schriok in a statement. "We have more women leaders in elected office than ever before, and they are forcibly leading the resistance against Trump and his allies in Congress who are intent on attacking women."
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The progressive event, organized by the same group behind the Women's March earlier this year, is a three-day conference ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. EMILY's List is among the groups supporting the event.
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Sanders said that he is "honored" to join the women at the conference upon the release of the event, saying that supporting women's leadership is vital to progressive causes.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/355235-emilys-list-sanders-headlining-womens-convention-sends-the-wrong
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Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Not to have someone be a featured speaker because of his gender is wrong. There can be female featured speakers, too.
Inclusiveness is the name of the game, IMO. Would this group do to others what has been done to them (sideline them because of gender)?
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)The Omaha mayoral race Bernie inserted himself into earlier this yr?
So quick to call your fellow DU'ers liars when they aren't.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's normal to cite a link for a controversial piece of info.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)That endorsement was discussed a fair amount here.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)Bernie endorsed Heath Mello. It's either true or it isn't. It's true. It isn't controversial that it is a fact.
Maybe you are using controversial in a different sense than I am.
But facts are facts, there is no controversy whether actual facts are factual.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)Sanders primary supporter just like you.
But as I say, I'm fact-based here.
So I am not going to pretend that things that happened didn't happen.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)It was not a one time thing and his push to allow anti-choice candidates should disqualify him immediately from a place at the table.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)n/t
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)Sanders pushed back against the criticism. "The truth is that in some conservative states there will be candidates that are popular candidates who may not agree with me on every issue. I understand it. That's what politics is about," Sanders told NPR.
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I agree with him totally...any dem is better than any repub in my book...period
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)The Thursday event with Mello, a Nebraska state senator who's running as a Democrat in the mayoral race, is one of several rallies Sanders is holding across the country this week. It's part of a Democratic National Committee-organized unity tour with DNC Chair Tom Perez.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)Please don't put words in my mouth I did not say.
1) One poster said Bernie endorsed an anti-choice candidate.
2) Another poster insinuated that was a lie.
3) Bernie did endorse an anti-choice candidate, it is a fact
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)if someone wants to get elected.
If Dems want to get elected, they have to be pragmatic. In a geographic area where the population will elect only anti-abortion, that is the only kind of Dem that can run there & have a chance of winning.
Better to have a Democrat than a Republican in that office. Because most certainly the Republican will be anti-choice AND anti-healthcare AND pro-tax-cuts-for-the-1% AND pro voting ID laws AND pro-rubberstamping-all-or-most-Republican bills.
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's not what "I" want, or "you" want. It's "we." We Democrats as a whole.
The Party has taken the position that in red districts, where there is a blue dog Democrat who can win, the Party will support that candidate. Because if it's not a blue dog, it's a Republican who will win.
I think "we" can all agree that it's always better for a blue dog Democrat to win than a Republican.
Wouldn't it be nice right now to have a few more Dems in Congress, even if they were blue dogs? They wouldn't automatically go along with the Republican agenda. And that's a good thing. Pragmatism is how you govern, if what I've read. If you hold out for perfection, you get nothing.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)but when it came to implementing a $15 an hour minimum wage, the idea of doing it incrementally was a non-starter?
brooklynite
(94,540 posts)There's nothing unique in Sanders' policy record or message that makes him a preferable choice for a Women's conference.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)I guess what makes him preferably is, he will show up
most times in life that half the battle...who will actually show up
KPN
(15,645 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)He could have been ONE of the speakers, not the HEADLINER. That spot should have been taken by a woman. If not by Hillary, then by Elizabeth Warren, Maxine Waters, or one of the many Democratic women leaders.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)He doesn't belong in that position. A woman should open the convention. A woman like Maxine Waters, who "is also coming," according to one of the organizers.
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-womens-march-hillary-clinton-683579
BERNIE SANDERS WILL OPEN THE WOMENS CONVENTION AND SOME PEOPLE AREN'T HAPPY
But the choice of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders as the lead speaker at the convention has sparked criticism from commentators, who suggested that a woman should have opened the event.
The participation of Sanderswho unsuccessfully challenged Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016was confirmed by the Womens March on Thursday. Sanders is due to deliver the opening night address of the three-day conference on October 27.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/12/bernie-sanders-speech-womens-convention/756825001/
When Women's March co-founder Tamika Mallory was asked: "People are going to say, wait a minute, theres a man as the headliner at the Womens Convention, the first womens convention in 40 years?" she replied:
"I would say that (U.S. Rep.) Maxine Waters is also coming to the conference, and we know she has been a very, very powerful voice in terms of all weve seen happening in terms of this administration, particularly, and shell be at the conference as well. And a lot of other people have been invited to the conference and were hoping to hear back from these folks. Thankfully, SenatorSanders has agreed to attend."
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)turned them down.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)but they're giving Bernie top billing.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The key speaker is NEVER the opening speaker. Just like a headliner, there is always an opening act. Sanders is the opening act.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/12/16465012/womens-march-bernie-sanders
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Your article was from October 12, after the backlash.
But in another article dated October 12, Tamika acknowledged that Bernie was the headliner, and that Maxine "is also coming."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/12/bernie-sanders-speech-womens-convention/756825001/
When Women's March co-founder Tamika Mallory was asked: "People are going to say, wait a minute, theres a man as the headliner at the Womens Convention, the first womens convention in 40 years?" she replied:
"I would say that (U.S. Rep.) Maxine Waters is also coming to the conference,"
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And 5 weeks before the event they still weren't confirming that Maxine was even going to attend, much less be the keynote.
From Sept. 19:
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017/09/19/maxine-waters-womens-convention-detroit/682216001/
The Free Press left a message Tuesday with Waters' office in Washington, D.C., trying to confirm whether she would attend the event or serve as a speaker or panelist. She did not respond. A spokeswoman for the Women's Convention could not confirm Tuesday whether Waters would attend the convention or play a role in its events.
Few other details are available about the convention, which is five weeks away.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The keynote speaker does not open a convention. Just like any headliner, there's always an opening act. Sanders is the opening act.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/12/16465012/womens-march-bernie-sanders
The convention is entitled, "Reclaiming Our Time," in honor of Maxine Waters.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)AFTER there was so much of a backlash. She switched from saying Waters was "also coming" to claiming she was delivering the keynote. Even she recognized they had blown it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/12/bernie-sanders-speech-womens-convention/756825001/
When Women's March co-founder Tamika Mallory was asked: "People are going to say, wait a minute, theres a man as the headliner at the Womens Convention, the first womens convention in 40 years?" she replied:
"I would say that (U.S. Rep.) Maxine Waters is also coming to the conference, and we know she has been a very, very powerful voice in terms of all weve seen happening in terms of this administration, particularly, and shell be at the conference as well. And a lot of other people have been invited to the conference and were hoping to hear back from these folks. Thankfully, SenatorSanders has agreed to attend."
From your link:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/12/16465012/womens-march-bernie-sanders
In a statement to Vox, organizers with the Womens March defended the decision to give Sanders the opening-night slot. They said that several prominent female Democrats including Clinton, as well as Sens. Kamala Harris (CA), Elizabeth Warren (MA) and Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) had been unable to attend. (Staffers for Harris and Warren confirmed they were invited to participate at the event.)
We all know how busy women leaders are, and we are grateful for the support of women like Secretary Clinton along with Senators Harris, Warren and Gillibrand. Although their schedules did not allow them to join us in Detroit the weekend of October 27, they will be fighting for our shared values, as they do every day, a statement from the group said. Harris will be in Rhode Island on Oct. 27 helping Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse raise money for his reelection bid, according to the Sacramento Bee.
Still, it wasnt clear if the Womens March had offered Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand the same slot given to Sanders. A statement from the Womens March said they were invited to participate. Officials with the organization wouldnt confirm if any of the Democratic women had been first invited as the opening-night speaker, as Sanders appears to have been.
In its statement, the Womens March also emphasized that more than 60 women including Waters, United We Dreams Greisa Martinez, and Our Revolutions Nina Turner are going to speak prominently at the convention. Our program features more than 60 women leading in activism, organizing and advocacy, as well as grassroots leaders running for and serving in office across the country, the organization said. We are excited to come together, to unite across our differences and to fight for the future we all believe in.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Keynote speakers are NEVER the opening speakers. Some articles used the word "headlining," referring to Sanders being the first major speaker, but they didn't mean the definition the way some people took it (the "headliner" the "keynote" speaker).
People need to think about some things before they take some articles for granted. They named the convention in honor of Waters, but chose someone else to be the keynote speaker? Doesn't make sense, unless Waters couldn't go or whatever. If it doesn't make sense, it's usually not true.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and weren't confirming her participation in the event. Seems pretty strange that they wouldn't confirm that 5 weeks before the convention -- and only did after the uproar about Bernie.
Sept. 19:
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017/09/19/maxine-waters-womens-convention-detroit/682216001/
In its announcement, the Women's March organization said Waters' words: "resonate beyond the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives. Women everywhere are tired of being interrupted, of being told to sit down, shut up and take less space.
SNIP
The words "reclaiming my time" were used in memes that spread on social media like weeds in an untended garden. DJ Adam Joseph turned it into a dance mix and Broadway performer Mykal Kilgore came up with a gospel version of the words in a nod to the congresswoman.
SNIP
Tamika Mallory, co-president of Women's March, said in a statement that the organization is honored to have Waters' voice "play such a pivotal role in our convention. 'Reclaiming Our Time' really captures the essence of this convention and why we believe this is such an important moment to convene, make our voices heard, and show that the rise of the woman is the rise of the nation.
The Free Press left a message Tuesday with Waters' office in Washington, D.C., trying to confirm whether she would attend the event or serve as a speaker or panelist. She did not respond. A spokeswoman for the Women's Convention could not confirm Tuesday whether Waters would attend the convention or play a role in its events.
Few other details are available about the convention, which is five weeks away.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....and the speakers are ALL women, every year.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Obviously, that organization which was behind the huge women's march thinks that Bernie would be a speaker they would like to hear.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)A number of them were Bernie supporters and when they released their list of influential women to honor a few days ahead of the march, they purposely excluded Hillary, much to the dismay of many people attending the marches (including me). I weighed my options and went anyway, and I carried a sign that just said, "Hillary" on it.
Having him there isn't the real problem, it's making him the keynote or featured speaker (when they are co-opting taglines coined by Maxine Waters and by Hillary's campaign for their event, too). They also just announced it. As of October 4th, he was not on the list.
A lot of people I know in Michigan are pretty upset about this; I even heard local organizers weren't told about it until quite recently (I haven't verified this; I'm hearing it from people on the ground in the Detroit area).
karynnj
(59,503 posts)They were Bernie supporters and they still are -- do you really think that it was at all likely that they would have picked a keynote speaker that you liked? This is a group that you would not want to be part of and would not join.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)the way the march was touted as "The Women's March". In fact, I originally thought it (the march) was more of a grassroots thing, though that wasn't entirely accurate as it turned out.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)If so and they are covering women's issues, why is it wrong to call it that.
The women's march did start out as grassroots and it then used the Action Network to get the word out. https://www.fastcompany.com/3069132/this-tech-platform-is-the-backbone-of-the-anti-trump-organizing-efforts
Note that the women who started the ball rolling did not complain when many in the media - noting people like you and your sign - spoke of the march almost as if it were because of Hillary Clinton.
I suspect that the reason you have a problem with it is that the speaker is Bernie. What would have been your reaction if it were Obama, Biden or Kerry?
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)I have been reading and enjoying posts yr since 2004 in the Kerry group. This is not your style.
Oh btw, somewhat off topic:
I remember when Bernie smeared a women's health organization that's been under constant attack by Republicans as "establishment". Don't recall Kerry, Obama, or Biden calling Planned Parenthood "establishment."
At anyrate IMHO having Obama, Kerry, or Biden open a Woman's Conference would be weird as well. ymmv of course.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)We wouldn't have the vote without their help. They can be great supporters.
Much ado about nothing. They were lucky to get him. He is the most famous national politician as a speaker for the convention. I'm assuming all the women turned them down for whatever reason (Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Warren, etc.).
Pretty disturbing that some are being narrow minded and discriminatory. Ironic.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)It's not much ado about nothing. This is a person who said, right to Rachel Maddow's face, "let's move on to more important issues, like income inequality" when she asked him about Donald Trump's assertion that women should be punished for having abortions.
Yes, Bernie agreed that women shouldn't be punished for having abortions (I can't remember if he said, "this is ridiculous" or "enough is enough!", though the odds are he said one or the other).
But the fact remains that he said he wanted to move on to more important issues.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It wasn't women, since they couldn't vote (except one state, I think), and women were not in power anywhere.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)I can't believe that was a serious comment.
Human decency "gave" women the vote.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Being for women's rights does not mean being anti-male or not recognizing the sympathizers to the female causes.
It is also true that WHITES worked for the civil rights movement. It was Kennedy, a white male, who sent in the National Guard. Some white men were killed in the south working on behalf of civil rights.
Read your history.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)I'm supposed to thank men for the vote now? Starting with Bernie Sanders? Are you unaware of the suffragists who bled and sometimes died for the cause of women's votes?
I appreciate your mansplaining. Maybe Bernie can thoughtfully enlighten the women in Detroit how they should thank him for everything he's done, including his really enthusiastic joy about the possibility of the first woman president. Oh, wait......
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)vote. That's a fact.
Being for women's rights is NOT being anti-male. I don't understand that mindset. Various people support various rights and causes. Don't you support the Voting Rights Act, even though you may not be black? Sheesh.
Dust off your history book. Read read read. Learn the history. Focus on the goal, not being "against" other people because of their gender or race, which is what you seem to be suggesting, in stating that men have no place in a convention for women's rights and did not participate in the successes of past women's rights movements.
http://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/19th-amendment
https://suffragistmemorial.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/7-suffragist-men-and-the-importance-of-allies/
LisaM
(27,811 posts)I cannot believe I'm even in this back and forth.
Should women thank men for everything? Should people of color thank whites for freeing them from slavery?
BTW, I don't need to "dust off" my history books. I have a fine collection of them, many to do with the Salem witchcraft trials. I suppose women should thank men for the fact that we're not being hanged as witches anymore, too.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Here's how the vote came:
On May 21, 1919, U.S. Representative James R. Mann (1856-1922), a Republican from Illinois and chairman of the Suffrage Committee, proposed the House resolution to approve the Susan Anthony Amendment granting women the right to vote. The measure passed the House 304-89a full 42 votes above the required two-thirds majority.
Two weeks later, on June 4, 1919, the Senate passed the 19th Amendment by two votes over its two-thirds required majority, 56-25. The amendment was then sent to the states for ratification.
http://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/19th-amendment
The states then ratified, some immediately, some not for years. Mississippi was the last (not until 1984!).
Here's an article about some key male allies in the fight for women's rights: https://suffragistmemorial.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/7-suffragist-men-and-the-importance-of-allies/
Frederick Douglas was one of those key allies. He was male AND black, too! Yet he supported the women's rights causes, despite his own causes. He alone at times stood up for them, when no one else would.
#2 was George Francis Train, who supported Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony by providing his services as a speaker and by developing, launching, and funding The Revolution, their womens rights newspaper. Train also helped out by writing articles for The Revolution.
#3 Tennessee Congressman Thetus W. Sims showed his intense dedication to womens rights when, in 1918, he showed up to vote in favor of suffragewith an unset broken arm and shoulder. Sims powered through the pain and stayed for the entirety of the voting process so that he could attempt to persuade any hesitant congressmen.
Henry Blackwell was not only a supporter of womens suffrage, but also an activist. In 1867, he and wife Lucy went on a speaking campaign across the frontier, facing strenuous travel and unsavory living conditions. He served as an editor of what would eventually become the official newspaper of the National American Woman Suffrage Association, the Womans Journal. Later in life, Blackwell continued his impressive work as an advocate when he joined Susan B. Anthony on an extensive campaign through South Dakotadespite his age (sixty-five) and blazing hot summer conditions.
And many others. It's not an ordinary or easy thing for men of power to share their power. But they did the right thing, to their credit.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)Just curious. I guess I forgot to say "thanks, Bernie!" often enough?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)In this country. That is a fact. Nothing will change that fact.
How you feel about it is your business. But a fact is a fact.
I have expressed no opinion how you should "feel" about the sky being blue. I merely pointed out (and cited links to show you) the fact that the sky is blue.
If you are really committed and interested in women's rights, I wonder why you aren't familiar with this history. You have to read about this on your own. I have spent hours in years past reading about it, watching documentaries on it. Because I have an interest in it.
Here are two starter cites for a basic run-down on the suffrage movement:
http://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/19th-amendment
https://suffragistmemorial.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/7-suffragist-men-and-the-importance-of-allies/
LisaM
(27,811 posts)Just please.
I'm not going to thank men for "giving me" my hard-earned rights. If you had the least awareness of an historical narrative, maybe you'd understand why women don't have rights. Have you heard of John Knox?
Sorry, I'm never going to thank someone for partially restoring what never should have been lost in the first place.
And just a clue: if you substituted the words "white" and "black" for "men" and "women", you'd have been handed an exit ticket. I guess it's just okay when we're only talking about the lowly female.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)no matter how much his devotees love the man.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)If the organizers want Bernie as the speaker and he agrees to speak, I really do not get what the problem is. Not to mention, if people are offended, they will opt not to go.
If this is not a group that you would otherwise want to join, why do you care who they get to speak?
George II
(67,782 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:44 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141887672"He was the right choice to be a headliner for the first national Women's Convention in 40 years, said Tamika Mallory, co-founder of Women's March..."
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)what they have been billing it to be.
An authentic women's convention would not be headlined by a male savior.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)I just want to scream.
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)They did not call it 'THEIR Women's Convention' for select women. I have no problem with Sanders as a speaker, however he should not headline a Women's Convention. I know this was not his decision, he was an invitee. Yet this is wrong and tone deaf by these sponsors.
The Women's March...it was for us, for all women. First and foremost it was the women and the wonderful men and children that joined to support us.
It was a beautiful day as the sun broke through the clouds in Boston. I was thrilled to be there that day. Crowds of 175K that came together for the rights of women everywhere was sweet to behold.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)and plays right into the hands of those who would continue to divide us. Tamika has an agenda here, and it's not unity.
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Surprised they haven't added on Sarandon & Stein
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)She happens to be a friend, so why don't you tell me about how she has an agenda that isn't shared by many of us?
Is it fighting the racist criminal justice system?
Is she not punitive enough when it comes to laws to stop the gun violence that personally touched her (which, btw, are disproportionately used to imprison people who look like me)?
Is she too militant?
It's easy to throw around accusations.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Expected. Still funny, but expected.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)IMHO
melman
(7,681 posts)That's completely made up by people trying to make a controversy where there is none.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)LisaM
(27,811 posts)And, like here, they saved up their bombshell until after people had committed to it (and presumably in this case, bought tickets). I'm certainly not accusing Bernie Sanders of having anything to do with the timing of this, but the organizers are being as tone deaf as Michael Moore's speech at the Women's march was.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It is not Sanders, as some headlines have implied.
Sanders is the opening act. Waters is the keynote speaker, of course...easy guess since the convention is entitled, "Reclaiming Our Time" in honor of her.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)I doubt that would satisfy many who are angry that Sanders was asked to speak at all.
I was not suggesting it was Emily's list, which I contributed to pre 2007, but not since. My point was that it was not their choice.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)I really don't know what game they're playing, but that picture sums up what they're accomplishing (some might say on purpose, and I might be one of those people).
Nomiki Konst is going to be there, too. You may recall her from this exchange the other day: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029688520
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)this is another episode of f*ing everything up for our bumbling anti-hero. If only he weren't worshipped like a god around here.
/sarcasm. obviously
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... it needs to be said.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)I'm sure there will be many female leaders speaking at this event. Supporters come in all genders . I also believe there were men at the women's march no?
Irish_Dem
(47,046 posts)People like what he says.
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Every day, a new recruit is required to post this on DU. Failure to do so results in replacing the recruit's IPA with a Pilsner for a minimum of one hour.
There's a steep price to be paid for apostasy.
George II
(67,782 posts)emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)Needed a laugh, thanks
cadmium
(1,526 posts)Joe Lieberman was the most popular politician at this stage ---leading to the great JoeMentum that got him nowhere but back to the senate to sabotage Demorates
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)please back that up with some polling or something. Lieberman had always been a reviled shill for the insurance industries and a prissy moral scold about Clinton. Nothing close to the "most popular".
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Stuart G
(38,421 posts)still time to opt out. My guess is they already asked Hillary..but really don't know.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)trusted here, she has an agenda, and it's not about unity. She claims that this was just a scheduling conflict with Hillary, Kamala, EW, and other high profile female politicians. She's obviously getting her ass handed to her on social media over this.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Article says Sanders is "headlining" the convention. In a way, I guess you could say that, since he's the opening act. But that does not mean he's the headliner, like you are thinking, or that he's the keynote speaker. He's not. MAXINE WATERS IS THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER at the convention titled in her honor: "Reclaiming Our Time."
There are 60 speakers. Two are men. Sanders is the opening act for the keynote speaker, Waters.
Philistein
(25 posts)I understand Hillary is headlining the second day, so maybe Bernie is the warm up act. That's the way I see it. Makes me feel better.
CaptainTruth
(6,591 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Philistein
(25 posts)That seems fine.
George II
(67,782 posts).....that Gallup's most admired woman in the world (for the 21st time) would be the "keynote" speaker (Women's March doesn't use that term)
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brer cat
(24,564 posts)K&R
CaptainTruth
(6,591 posts)speaker should be a woman. There's no lack of talented/skilled members of the female gender who are MORE than qualified for the job ... & they should get the job!
Yes, there should also be a place for men who support their cause, but let that come later in the program.
Just my humble opinion.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Also: this isn't Bernie's doing.
But you wouldn't know that from the comments here.
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)But you wouldn't know that from the comments here.
I said exactly that.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)democrank
(11,094 posts)Democrats lost about 1,000 state and federal seats over the last twelve years.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)They were demonized and lied about that. My Dem governor was accused by Rove and Koch of running up a huge deficit, when the truth was that he had a balanced budget. I personally don't believe it has a damn thing to do with differences of opinions on women's issues on DU
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)if there would be as much outrage had the keynote been offered to Barack Obama or Bill Clinton.
Something tells me probably not.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)But ymmv
Fun old Onion Story though:
http://www.theonion.com/article/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-m-2338
Man Finally Put In Charge Of Struggling Feminist Movement
WASHINGTONAfter decades spent battling gender discrimination and inequality in the workplace, the feminist movement underwent a high-level shake-up last month, when 53-year-old management consultant Peter "Buck" McGowan took over as new chief of the worldwide initiative for women's rights.
McGowan, who now oversees the group's day-to-day operations, said he "couldn't be happier" to bring his ambition, experience, and no-nonsense attitude to his new role as the nation's top feminist.
"All the feminist movement needed to do was bring on someone who had the balls to do something about this glass ceiling business," said McGowan, who quickly closed the 23.5 percent gender wage gap by "making a few calls to the big boys upstairs." "In the world of gender identity and empowered female sexuality, it's all about who you know."
More at link....
Justice
(7,188 posts)The objections are to a man headlining. Last I checked Obama and Bill were men. Insulting to those of us who object to ignore what we are saying.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)Claimed everybody would be happy if it was Kerry Obama or Biden opening. It's a bullshit claim and as you say, very insulting.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and for whom the convention is titled.
If the man has clout and a history of voting for women's rights and speaking out for them. Which I believe is the case with Sanders.
People need to decide whether they want to win elections or not and stop being so narrow minded about things like this. Eye on the ball, folks.
emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)YMMV
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The "Susan Sarandon" effect. Focus on the minutae instead of the big picture and the goal, and bemoaning the lack of perfection, allowing the worst possible choice to get elected.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Imagine an AA convention and the keynote speaker being a white man. It's insulting. That doesn't mean that Sanders shouldn't be a speaker, but not the opening night speaker. They should have chosen a woman.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Trump being POTUS, Bernie heralded #WomensCovention while Hillary is bashed in the press about #HarveyWeinstein is 2016 in a nutshell.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's Republicans who are bashing Hillary about Weinstein. It's Democratic women who have invited Sanders to open the convention. The two things are unrelated.
Hillary is bashed in the press because she won the nomination and was the Democratic candidate. Sanders was not.
I assume the convention asked Hillary to speak, and she declined. Could be a scheduling conflict.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)There are plenty of women who could do it.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)or maybe they are just working in their own worst interests. Gee, what a poser.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)You well meaning DEM you!
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