CNN poll: Most Americans oppose Trump's tax reform plan

[DonViejo]

Source: CNN



By Ryan Struyk, CNN

Updated 6:25 AM ET, Wed October 18, 2017

Washington (CNN)A slim majority of Americans (52%) oppose President Donald Trump's recent tax reform proposals, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, while only one-third (34%) say they support the Trump plan.

Support is split largely along party lines: eight-in-10 Democrats (81%) say they oppose the plans, but seven-in-10 Republicans (70%) say they support them. Independents break against the proposals: 50% opposed to 35% in favor. About 14% say they don't have an opinion.

Indeed, half of Americans disapprove of the way Trump is handling taxes, the highest level in CNN polling so far, while only 36% say they approve of his job performance on taxes. This is similar to a 34% approve to 47% disapprove split on the issue in September.

After the high-profile failure of legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare, Republicans from Capitol Hill to the White House are eager to chalk up a legislative victory in the coming months.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/politics/poll-trump-tax-reform/index.html

[beachbum bob]

1. the "disapproval" of trump and conservative policies need to show up 2018 election

results.

unless that happens, polls mean nothing

[karynnj]

2. Given how early we are in to the process, these numbers are terrible for Trump

He already has 52% of those polls against the plan as it is now known vs only 34% for it. That leaves 14% who do not have, or are unwilling to say, if they are for or against it.

CNN writes its first sentence in a way that MINIMIZES the opposition while being an accurate statement. If anyone read this quickly or casually, what sticks is that a SLIM MAJORITY are against it. However, you could also say that:

- The number of people who oppose the bill is higher than the numbers who favor it by a large statistically significant margin.
- Likewise, you could say that opposing beats backing by 18%
- If you wanted to get clever, you could rescale the numbers to reflect only those who have decided - and you could say that 60.5% are against and 39.5% are backing it. (This is disingenuous because there might be more Republicans among the undecided -- which the breakdowns by party suggest.)


However, two points are relevant:
1) Even if over half of the population is against it, the real test is where the Congress is. Remember that they nearly passed terrible health care bills that only 16 or 20 percent of the country supported.
2) It will be a daunting task to get this reform favored by more than half the country. They need to win all the undecided and win over some of those currently against it.

[ffr]

5. Good analysis. You're one of the few who can think for themselves.

It could of been said, like you did, that the tax plan was not favored by 3 to 2. That would be fair, but I'm sure CNN is playing both sides. And since the RW are diaper wearing babies that get their feelings hurt so so easily, I'm betting they chose to say 52% instead.

[ffr]

3. It doesn't matter what the American people want. Republiturds are going to do whatever they want

to us.

This is only going to get more seriously worse.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. As Republicons and even tRump's BASE hear more about the less they like

Trump’s tax plan will benefit everyone
The Hillsdale Collegian ^ | October5, 2017 | Nicole Ault

Posted on 10/17/2017, 2:40:51 PM by TBP
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3595812/posts


And, it will raise net taxes on those who itemize.

The author thinks the indirect benefits will outweigh this downer. But those of us who will pay more think it sucks.

And will oppose it with every breath.

2 posted on 10/17/2017, 2:45:24 PM by Mariner

They even disbelieve trickle-down voodoo economics:

Tell you what. How about the Federal government simply does not raise my taxes (by eliminating my state and local tax deductions), and I'll take my chances. Paying thousands more per year, but hoping that my widget from Corporation XYX will be a few pennies cheaper (if they so chose to be so generous to me) is not a gamble I want to make. In fact, no sane individual would do so.
32 posted on 10/17/2017, 7:38:18 PM by SkyPilot

The proposed elimination of the state and local tax deduction is a tax increase on millions of middle-class Americans. Screwing around with other aspects (like the standard deduction) does not change this fact or soften the blow to those who are already paying high taxes across the board. Moreover, those of us in high tax states are not “subsidizing” others via the deduction, because those in high tax states like CA, CT, NY, MA, and NJ pay out more to the federal government in taxes than the states recoup.

The elimination of the state and local deduction has Paul Ryan’s dirty fingerprints all over it. It’s his baby. And he won’t let go of it - like a junkyard dog.

If they’re going to cut rates, they have to soak someone. And the group they’re choosing to soak are middle class, hard-working Americans.

This wasn’t what President Trump campaign on or promised. If this passes, he will lose the support of millions of Americans who voted for him. This is a stupid, bad deal.
10 posted on 10/17/2017, 3:25:07 PM by SkyPilot

“If they’re going to cut rates, they have to soak someone. And the group they’re choosing to soak are middle class, hard-working Americans.”

Middle class taxpayer will end up subsidizing a tax cut for the lower-middle classes (<$75k/yr), the poor (increased EITC) and the rich (lower max rate from 39 to 35%).

Plus a reduction in the corporate rate (this is a VERY GOOD thing from 35% to 20%).

All on the backs of a class of people who pay the vast majority of all taxes today. Those between $80k and $160k/yr.

If it proceeds, I will actively oppose Trump in 2020 just as I am actively opposing every Republican in Congress this cycle.

14 posted on 10/17/2017, 3:30:26 PM by Mariner

I’ve run our Fed and State (CA) taxes using the proposed new standard deduction and loss of State and Local tax deductibility. It is pretty clear our bracket won’t change. After netting the three changes (standard exemption + state tax deductibility + property tax deductibility) we are hosed. We haven’t triggered AMT before, so we’ve continued full deductibility of those taxes.

Yes, our only hope is that the final law is different from what is being bandied about. We’ll see how much political power the big, liberal, high-tax states have in this tax reform. The changes seem designed to screw them which, unfortunately, screws the conservatives still left in those states.

I’d love to see simplified taxes — but maybe after I’m gone! Call me selfish, but I didn’t budget another $4,000 to $5,000 per year in retirement for this.

22 posted on 10/17/2017, 4:08:46 PM by ProtectOurFreedom

[FakeNoose]

6. Well nobody believes in "trickle-down" economics

It was a GOP joke (at our expense) during the Reagan years. Even then people realized it was never going to benefit the Middle Class. However it did create a new class of super-wealthy one-percenters.

Thanks Reagan!

Now here we are 35 years later and they're still trying to push this nonsense. It's simple: if the Republicans want it you can be sure it's a bad bill. Bad for all of us. It only benefits a small group of super-wealthy people. We're not fooled.

[scarytomcat]

7. people supporting this tax bill are believing the lies

or are very rich and don't think they should pay taxes
Our economy was the best when we had a 91% top tax rate and corporations paid the bulk of the taxes.
It is time to give the little guy a break.

[Sunlei]

11. NO ONE wants to pay taxes, rich or poor. Thats part of why Rs NOT-wealthy fan base 'clicked' with

trump when he blurted out on stage he pays as little tax as possible.

Ds have to learn to explain exactly & simply what Republicans tax agenda means for Americans who make between poverty rate (21k family of 4?) and about $250,000 a year in total FAMILY income.

How many Corporations pay INCOME TAX to OUR Federal government and if they pay anything, how much INCOME TAX do they pay a year?

I'm only familiar with one corporations income tax PAID because of a court case the Corp had to provide document to court.

millions in town court costs (town had to go to court over 40 times fighting the corp.) and damages to a small towns sewer systems, residents quality of living.

IRS report said- Corp paid $5.00 FIVE DOLLARS in income tax to Federal government after all their fabulous business deductions.

[lagomorph777]

8. It's not effing "Tax Reform" it's a billionaire tax cut and a tax hike for everybody else.

Dems really need to stop using such polite language. Relabel it accurately as the "Trump's Middle Class Tax Hike."

[Cosmocat]

9. Yeah ...

And the media needs to call it what it is vs the bullshit frame republicans slap on it.

[lagomorph777]

12. "Trump's Middle Class Tax Hike" - let's insist on that name at every opportunity.

Hashtag it please, if you are so connected.

[Sunlei]

10. polls don't matter, our one vote IS democracy. Once elected, Republicans can do whatever they want.

This is what happens when a country is full of propaganda 'news' and people vote from propaganda or don't vote at all.






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