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.99center

(1,237 posts)
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 05:11 PM Oct 2017

After Video Refutes Kellys Charges, Congresswoman Raises Issue of Race

Source: nytimes

WASHINGTON — Video of a 2015 speech delivered by Representative Frederica S. Wilson revealed Friday that John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, misrepresented her remarks when he accused her of bragging about securing $20 million for a South Florida F.B.I. building and twisting President Barack Obama’s arm.

Ms. Wilson, in an interview on Friday, called Mr. Kelly a liar and hinted strongly that the altercation, prompted by a call from President Trump to the widow of a fallen black soldier, was racially charged.

“The White House itself is full of white supremacists,” she said.

Mr. Kelly, escalating a feud between Mr. Trump and Ms. Wilson, had cast the congresswoman on Thursday as a publicity-seeking opportunist. However, the video, released by The Sun Sentinel, a newspaper in South Florida, showed that during her nine-minute speech, Ms. Wilson never took credit for getting the money for the building, only for helping pass legislation naming the building after two fallen federal agents.

She never mentioned pleading with Mr. Obama, and she acknowledged the help of several Republicans, including John A. Boehner, then the House speaker; Representatives Mario Diaz-Balart and Carlos Curbelo; and Senator Marco Rubio.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/politics/trump-kelly-congresswoman-wilson-niger.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur



“I feel very sorry for him because he feels such a need to lie on me and I’m not even his enemy,” Ms. Wilson said of Mr. Kelly. “I just can’t even imagine why he would fabricate something like that. That is absolutely insane. I’m just flabbergasted because it’s very easy to trace."

"They are making themselves look like fools. They have no credibility,” she said. “They are trying to assassinate my character, and they are assassinating their own because everything they say is coming out and shown to be a lie.”
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After Video Refutes Kellys Charges, Congresswoman Raises Issue of Race (Original Post) .99center Oct 2017 OP
She's obviously right, and strong to say this. But as Joy Reid pointed out, spooky3 Oct 2017 #1
Lawrence O'Donnell also suggested it was racism. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #3
He didn't do a good job of it, though.. whathehell Oct 2017 #34
Degrading a black woman's intellect, in light of Kelly's background, is no coincidence. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #35
I see it a bit differently.. whathehell Oct 2017 #36
The racists quite clearly heard Kelly's dog whistle. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #37
Well, the female thing is historically what Trumpers go after. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #18
Lawrence O'Donnell's take is worth watching. spooky3 Oct 2017 #20
This is a sweet as banana cream pie. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #2
empty barrels lapfog_1 Oct 2017 #4
Maybe HE'S the one shooting empty barrels, in more ways than one. pangaia Oct 2017 #30
It looks like the baby is winning over the babysitter world wide wally Oct 2017 #5
or, maybe the babysitter is more like the baby than we (at least I) realized. spooky3 Oct 2017 #21
I'm glad Congresswoman Wilson hasn't been intimidated when Trump dragged out his big gun to use Judi Lynn Oct 2017 #6
Kelly's reputation just took a nosedive lunatica Oct 2017 #7
I love that quote. Wilson's reputation has increased & she has nat'l exposure, now. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #24
I wonder how long before Kelly "wants to spend more time with family"? This is embarrassing. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #8
Let's HOPE it's over now. But THEY are proud of Kelly's statement. They were crying in the wings. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #25
GOOD FOR HER. SO happy she's standing up to those lying racist thugs. CousinIT Oct 2017 #9
Applause for Congresswoman Wilson for telling it exactly like it is! lark Oct 2017 #10
Yes, she is. Like the old song, "I wish I were 18 again." Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #26
I'm glad she is using the word "lie." This word has to be used all the time. NBachers Oct 2017 #11
Yes - and it's awesome that the Sun Sentinel is backing her up FakeNoose Oct 2017 #13
Yes. "Lie." Even when I hear "untruth" or "fib" or whatever, they say it with slyness..... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #27
What a great perspective. I too show pity on the petty republicans ffr Oct 2017 #12
It's a darn shame that Gen. Kelly was not truthful in his attack on Rep. Wilson Discussionist KING Oct 2017 #14
You mean that he lied. Right? Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #31
I just cant even imagine why he would fabricate something like that." Martin Eden Oct 2017 #15
He didn't need to be co-opted. shanny Oct 2017 #23
Of course they are white supremacists If they weren't they would have resigned after Charlottesville TeamPooka Oct 2017 #16
I see what they did there Fritz Walter Oct 2017 #17
Really Kelly Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2017 #19
Brilliant! tavernier Oct 2017 #29
Kelly has shown his true character for all to see, but in Enoki33 Oct 2017 #22
She didn't have to say it. We already knew it. coolsandy Oct 2017 #28
I'm glad Representative Wilson is standing up to Mr. Kelly, but Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #32
Racism is the very only element that binds Trump voters and supporters together. FigTree Oct 2017 #33

spooky3

(34,452 posts)
1. She's obviously right, and strong to say this. But as Joy Reid pointed out,
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 05:14 PM
Oct 2017

it is likely to be sexism/misogyny as well as racism, that is driving Kelly's lies and insults.

SunSeeker

(51,554 posts)
3. Lawrence O'Donnell also suggested it was racism.
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 05:23 PM
Oct 2017

Of course, it can be both racism and sexism. The two are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they usually go hand-in-hand.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
34. He didn't do a good job of it, though..
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 02:15 PM
Oct 2017

I didn't like the way Kelly spoke about the congresswoman, but calling someone an "empty barrel" refers to the old saying "Empty barrels make the most noise". It has nothing to do with race.

SunSeeker

(51,554 posts)
35. Degrading a black woman's intellect, in light of Kelly's background, is no coincidence.
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 04:16 PM
Oct 2017

And Lawrence did a great job of explaining the highly segregated neighborhood Kelly grew up in and how that affects Kelly's world view. I can see racism in it.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
36. I see it a bit differently..
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 10:04 AM
Oct 2017

Last edited Sun Oct 22, 2017, 11:26 AM - Edit history (1)

On the whole, I thought O'Donnell was out over his skis on Kelly,. because, for one thing, he does not even know the man, and he's drawing inferences on him that are based solely on a neighborhood that Kelly -- and he -- left fifty years ago...The argument being that, if the neighborhood didn't "stick" to Lawrence, why should he -- and the rest of us -- assume it stuck to Kelly?...

As I said, I think Kelly's a jerk, a Trump toady, and maybe even a liar given his false account of Rep. Wilson's speech. He may even be racist, I just don't think there's enough here to be certain about it.





SunSeeker

(51,554 posts)
37. The racists quite clearly heard Kelly's dog whistle.
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 01:09 PM
Oct 2017
The congresswoman’s staff immediately alerted authorities to a racially-charged threat made on a Facebook account of a person named “Tom Keevers,” according to the CBS affiliate.

The account wrote about assembling "ten good men to help carry out a lynching," adding that they "must have own horse and saddle" but "rope will be provided.” 


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/356545-congresswomans-office-getting-thousands-of-calls-during-feud-with

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. Well, the female thing is historically what Trumpers go after.
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 07:59 PM
Oct 2017

But I don't see how race is involved.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
6. I'm glad Congresswoman Wilson hasn't been intimidated when Trump dragged out his big gun to use
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 05:31 PM
Oct 2017

against her.

Trump goes even more insane with each new challenge to his divinity.

Kelly pulled out all the stops trying to intimidate her.

The Congresswoman is still standing, more power to her.

She has the support of sane people everywhere.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. Kelly's reputation just took a nosedive
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 05:36 PM
Oct 2017

He should have followed Mark Twain's advice, “It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. I love that quote. Wilson's reputation has increased & she has nat'l exposure, now.
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 08:50 PM
Oct 2017

She's gotten a lot more famous. Not just from her criticizing the President's call, but because the White House then made a personal attack on her.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
8. I wonder how long before Kelly "wants to spend more time with family"? This is embarrassing.
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 05:48 PM
Oct 2017

They thought they were putting out a fire by sending out a Gold Star general. They've now managed to turn this into an inferno. They should have left it alone after Rep. Wilson said she wouldn't be making further public comments, but it's personal now.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. Let's HOPE it's over now. But THEY are proud of Kelly's statement. They were crying in the wings.
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 08:52 PM
Oct 2017

That's what I heard on the news. The W H people were all teary eyed at the wonderful defensive speech Kelly gave.

He won't be leaving because of this. I'm sure they think this was one of his shining moments.

lark

(23,099 posts)
10. Applause for Congresswoman Wilson for telling it exactly like it is!
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 06:06 PM
Oct 2017

What a wonderful heroine and role model for young women.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. Yes, she is. Like the old song, "I wish I were 18 again."
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 08:53 PM
Oct 2017

I'd love to be a young woman, entering college and/or the working world, with all these role models. So many choices that weren't there when I was that age.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
13. Yes - and it's awesome that the Sun Sentinel is backing her up
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 06:22 PM
Oct 2017

Too many newspapers chickened out last year. This would have never happened while Cheeto was campaigning last year.
If they're lying - call it that way.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
27. Yes. "Lie." Even when I hear "untruth" or "fib" or whatever, they say it with slyness.....
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 08:55 PM
Oct 2017

to indicate they're using that word but meaning "lie."

ffr

(22,670 posts)
12. What a great perspective. I too show pity on the petty republicans
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 06:19 PM
Oct 2017

They are caught red handed in their lies upon lies. What kind of low self esteem individual sinks to such cowardly lies to cover up their own weaknesses???

These are people we're suppose to look up to. Heaven forbid what future generations will take from these most chaotic of times!

Good for you Ms. Wilson!

Martin Eden

(12,867 posts)
15. I just cant even imagine why he would fabricate something like that."
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 06:49 PM
Oct 2017

It's the Trump effect.

Kelly hasn't contained the orange abomination; he's been co-opted.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
23. He didn't need to be co-opted.
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 08:35 PM
Oct 2017

He's a believer: look no further than his behavior at his previous post of Homeland Security

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
17. I see what they did there
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 07:01 PM
Oct 2017

Referring to him as “Mister” Kelly, rather than using his former military rank, implies — correctly, albeit painfully so — that he is a civilian now.

Some — but not all — of these high-ranking officers may infer that, somehow, we taxpaying citizens are beneath them. I would remind them that they’d raised their right hands and swore to defend our nation. All of us. And while rank may have its privileges, respect is earned.

As an Army brat (Ret.), I’m quite familiar with the dedication and loyalty of military families, not to mention the sacrifices they make, especially when the service member becomes a wounded warrior, or pays the ultimate price. There, but for the grace of deities, fate, Karma, et al., might my father have gone. Mr. Kelly — as a Gold Star parent — deserves our support. But, as a member of *45’s administration, he sacrificed the respect, honor and perhaps dignity he earned in uniform.

Still, this slight — deliberate or accidental — will not go unnoticed.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
22. Kelly has shown his true character for all to see, but in
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 08:28 PM
Oct 2017

doing so he laid bare the fact that he allowed himself to be used by DOTUS in an attempt to cover his outrageous words to a grieving widow and his subsequent lies to hide that fact. Kelly described that man who hid behind him in an attempt to erase more proof that he is in a job way above his level of competence and morality as bravely making the call. Shame on him.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
32. I'm glad Representative Wilson is standing up to Mr. Kelly, but
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 11:35 AM
Oct 2017

we all already know a bigot and misogynist when we see one.

The thing these two old, white men can't stand is being taken to task by a black woman. Just too much for their fragile egos and delicately constructed masculinity.

FigTree

(347 posts)
33. Racism is the very only element that binds Trump voters and supporters together.
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 02:13 PM
Oct 2017

From a to z, from the onset to now, and for the foreseeable future. As usual with any form of discrimination, racism is largely invisible because everyone, aside from a handful of very disturbed individuals, knows it is essentially immoral. It therefore tends to express itself indirectly and allusively, at least in the mass. When Trump uttered his tacky and third-rate slogan of "make america great again", it communicated, surreptitiously, indirectly and allusively, albeit very clearly to targeted individuals, "white" in the place of "great". It allowed the repressed racist impulse to find a behavioral expression while preserving an appearance of morality.
On a macro-sociological level, the election of this clownish individual can be seen as the result of a sort of gagging reflex of a racist majority that knows that non-whites are on their way to rapidly become the majority. Racism is historically dead. But history does not move fast.

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