Democrats express outrage over allegations of early party control for Clinton in 2016

[Omaha Steve]

Source: W Post

By Michael Scherer,, David Weigel and Karen Tumulty

Many Democrats expressed outrage Thursday at allegations from a former party chairwoman that an agreement with the Democratic National Committee gave the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton some day-to-day control over the party early in the 2016 campaign.

Donna Brazile, a former interim chairwoman of the party, says in a forthcoming book that an August 2015 agreement gave the Clinton campaign a measure of direct influence over the party’s finances and strategy, along with a say over staff decisions and consultation rights over issues like mailings, budgets and analytics.

The control was given in exchange for a joint fundraising pledge by the Clinton campaign that helped fund the DNC through the election year, Brazile says.

Snip: In response to the report Thursday, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said in a CNN interview that she believed the primary contest between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders had been rigged. “This is a real problem,” she said. “We have to hold this party accountable.”

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-express-outrage-over-allegations-of-early-control-for-clinton-in-2016/2017/11/02/84e949da-c000-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.913dd8ce0547

[stonecutter357]

1. .

Don't keep fighting the last Democratic presidential primary.....................................................................................................................................

[FBaggins]

15. That was a laudable goal when the rule was created

Now it is the Democratic party having the fight internally. There's no way to avoid it.

If DU could enforce our internal rules for civility on Warren/Clinton/Brazile/etc... that would be one thing - but our reach it not so long.

[onit2day]

20. Identifying problems with the party's primary is

not re-fighting the primary. What was done by the Clinton campaign is what is always done for any of our candidates it's just it was done a year early because no one thought she would be seriously challenged and we wanted to get a jump start on getting our nominee elected. Now we know it is unfair and unethical to jump the gun on who will be our candidate and that before we commit the committee's resources to the candidate we must first wait until the primary is over so those in the primary have an equal shot at being the candidate. It is not advisable to pretend it didn't happen or else it surely will happen again. And no it is not re-fighting the primary, it is merely identifying and fixing a problem, one that had the effect of dividing the members

[Not Ruth]

26. Does the GOP have a similar arrangement?

[FBaggins]

40. Of course not

Otherwise they would have ended up with Jeb Bush and Trump wouldn't have had a change.

Additionally... no, this was in no sense like what Democrats have done historically. The nominee effectively takes over the DNC... after the primary is over.

[FBaggins]

42. NOW we know it's unethical?

Not sure who "we" is in that sentence... most Democrats would have known that it was unethical from the beginning.

[Rene]

39. Doesn't this line of comments smell like it started with Russian bot crap instigators?

[OKNancy]

2. yes the Republicans are pretending "outrage" too

making the most of this stupid book

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[riversedge]

8. drats. Of course Trump would jump on this!! Now

all his followers are having a hay day!!


I posted an article about Hillary getting an award today. I also posted the tweet. I started to read some replies but stopped very quickly as the replies were horrible and vile. Trump bots all over it

[onit2day]

21. What did you expect from Trump. Nothing illegal was done

and what was done is what is normally done except it was done a year early and the party is honest enough to recognize a problem, admit to it, and then fix it. Unlike Dishonest Don who won't admit to any problem. is incapable of recognizing a problem so therefore cannot fix any problem, just deny deny deny. Dummy Don the dishonest doitard. Was never elected but was installed and is a PINO. His comments are always without merit.

[highplainsdem]

3. I'm outraged that any Dems are trying to divide the party at a critical time.

[David__77]

4. The party could unite in condemnation of secret campaign control of DNC.

If, indeed, the allegations are true.

[OilemFirchen]

7. "Secret".

[David__77]

9. No. Secret.

...

[OilemFirchen]

10. No secret. No secret.

You're the secret.

[David__77]

14. Well, I hope that true and false information are distinguished.

If Brazile’s assertions are false, I hope that comes to light.

[fleabiscuit]

11. +1 LOL

[Irish_Dem]

27. I agree with you. Dems have a conscience and want to do the right thing. The truth should come out.

I like both Hillary and Bernie. And want to know the facts. This is what separates us from the Repugs.
We care about right vs wrong.

But of course whatever happened is minor compared to what Trump/Putin did.

[joshcryer]

41. That really depends on what you mean by "control."

The DNC obviously needed to be bailed out and I don't see making that public during the primaries as a strategically wise decision, and I think that if it happened there's nothing wrong with keeping it private. If anything it's more an indictment on Obama's management of the DNC under DWS.

[onit2day]

22. That already happened.Now we are trying to unite

by fixing problems

[StevieM]

5. This article does a terrific job of telling the lies that they are setting out to tell.

This is starting to remind me of how they sold the fake email scandal. They take ordinary things and make them sound extraordinary. Donna's book is the equivalent of Comey's July press conference.

[susanna]

16. That is a GREAT analogy. n/t

[Skittles]

6. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[snort]

12. Right when we are about to boot the fuckers,

this...







morons

[davsand]

17. It looks like there's a strong concern here about unifying the Dem party.

I'm seeing what looks like anger in some cases that this is in today's news cycle. Wasn't Brazile working with the Clinton campaign at some point at least? She was even accused of giving the campaign debate questions in advance, from what I recall. Are you angry with her for writing this book? Is your anger directed at her for profiting off this mess?

Also, how do you feel the party should deal with this revelation? Is it your opinion that the best course is to forgive and forget? Do you feel that the part of the party that feels "wronged" should be addressed?

Help me understand exactly what I'm seeing here, please.

Laura

[Historic NY]

18. They ought to be outraged that they weren't out raising money

for the DNC, Sanders never contributed one thin dime. Clinton should have not given anything to them, weak leadership at the DNC top and suddenly its her fault. Hell even Obama abandoned their efforts going alone with his own fund raising. Yeah so she used the apparatus which barely had any money.

[joshcryer]

43. If she didn't give anything to the DNC it would've blown wide the fuck open.

She had to bail them out essentially. That's a total indictment on the party as a whole, and a statement about Clinton being a loyalist moreover.

[fleabiscuit]

19. This has been painful to see on DU.

Please get read up on this...

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://storify.com/ahumorlessfem/the-hillary-victory-fund

[onit2day]

23. I disagree. It's unifying those that felt divided.

This is not the Hillary Clinton appreciation web site though we do appreciate her, supported her and voted for her. It the Democratic Underground where we discuss all that is related to the party and party platform and leadership. Identifying and recognizing problems is the only way to fix them and avoid dividing party members

[ehrnst]

44. She has been brilliant. (nt)

[Owl]

25. K&R

[stonecutter357]

28. Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders had been rigged ? GOOD

She was the only democratic party member running .

[videohead5]

29. The 2015 Fundraising agreement

Why is Brazile lying?

Link to tweet

[Blue_Tires]

30. The smug dudebro left has been jizzing in their pants nonstop...

I had to step away from Twitter for a bit

[Paladin]

36. They're not pleasuring themselves as much as trump is.

Right before he got on that plane to Asia, Orange Julius was orgasmic in his praise of Brazile's book; wants everybody to read it.

God forbid the Democratic Party attains a political advantage without kneecapping itself.

[Blue_Tires]

37. +1

[tavernier]

31. How fortuitous for the republicans

that we Democrats don’t have any common sense when it comes to the preservation of our party. Yup, we are the good guys, fighting every day in every way for human rights and world peace and Mother Earth. Sadly, we haven’t learned how to do this in a more organized and less contentious way.

[Corgigal]

32. Yo, Washington Post

We're more concerned with present day criminal activity. Thanks for the false equivalency thing.

[Scoopster]

33. You want outrage? I'm fucking done with Donna Brazile.

It's already been proven that claims she made were absolute lies, and that Hillary Clinton's efforts and her & Bill's personal capital infusion SAVED the party from massive debt & gross mismanagement by DWS. And now of course we have to deal with the GOP jumping on this shit, making us all look like idiots, and giving traction to their Putinesqe whataboutism. Brazile needs to come clean NOW, and then go back to her book & fix the passages that are lies.

[coolsandy]

47. +1Million!

[Rene]

34. He was not and still is not a DEMOCRAT. He deservers no support from the DNC. Can't make up his

[SunSeeker]

35. Bernie signed the exact same DNC fundraising agreement. How is this a "scandal"?

[scipan]

45. where did you get that?

[SunSeeker]

46. The Bernie campaign signed a JFA (Joint Fundraising Agreement) in November 2015.

It has been described as the same or similar to the JFA Hillary campaign signed. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559


More fack-checking of Brazile claims here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029788867