Morrissey comments on Hollywood sexual abuse scandal, says some victims are 'just disappointed'

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Source: Independent UK

Morrissey has invited fresh criticism over comments he made about Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey.

The former Smiths frontman spoke about the ongoing sexual harassment scandal in Hollywood, reportedly calling claims against Spacey "ridiculous" and arguing that definitions of harassment and assault have become too broad.

“As far as I know, he was in a bedroom with a 14-year-old. Kevin Spacey was 26, boy 14. One wonders where the boy’s parents were," he told Der Spiegel, according to a translation cited by AV Club.

"One wonders if the boy did not know what would happen. I do not know about you, but in my youth I have never been in situations like this," he continued. "Never. I was always aware of what could happen. When you are in somebody’s bedroom, you have to be aware of where that can lead to. That’s why it does not sound very credible to me. It seems to me that Spacey has been attacked unnecessarily."

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/morrissey-harvey-weinstein-kevin-spacey-comments-victims-der-spiegel-interview-rape-backlash-a8063476.html

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I've never liked this self absorbed blowhard.
Now I see why.

[OnDoutside]

1. I can foresee a new morose song from Morrissey....

[Initech]

2. Wow, with all the evidence mounting against Kevin Spacey...

He's unfairly attacked? This could come back to bite him in the ass.

[shenmue]

3. I like his music, but this is horrible

[FarPoint]

4. He makes a valid point ....

Regarding to really, where we're the parents of the 14 year old?

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7. Well, they were both doing Broadway plays, so they may have thought nothing of a party

I haven't seen any details as to what time this "party" was or what day.
Or they could've just been lazy stage parents.
Either way, "where were the parents" is not the 1st question to ask a victim. Kinda like asking a rape victim "why were you out that late"

[FarPoint]

10. It is a reasonable Question...

Not first on the list but close to the top of the list .

[TexasBushwhacker]

14. He said sometimes his mother went with him to gatherings

and sometimes he went alone.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/anthony-rapp-kevin-spacey-made-sexual-advance-when-i-was-14?utm_term=.blgkVBvqA#.frG8m4jrl

[yardwork]

20. Predators often target children with absent parents.

Having neglectful parents is a risk factor for being abused.

[FarPoint]

21. Absolutely....

Also, children wherein a parent has died...or divorce....The children are emotionally vulnerable...

[Bradical79]

36. Parents can't be everywhere

And most parents can have a blind spot in regards to trusted individuals. 14 year olds typically aren't escorted everywhere they go. We learn don't talk to strangers as kids, but also don't view celebrities as strangers. If a movie start, sports star, etc. wanted to hang out with me when I was 14, I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it.

When I was still a teen (though older) I shared a hotel room on a trip overseas with someone who had been in movies, and trained actors for action roles. Lucky for me, turns out he was one of the "good ones" of extremely high moral character with no ulterior motives. Everything was normal, talked business a bit, went to sleep in our own beds. Being raped isn't something that ever crossed the minds of myself, my coach, or my parents.

Another friend though, she was molested repeatedly by a martial arts teacher with numerous adults and parents in the room. He was good at his crimes, distracting and sneaking off when people were distracted, manipulating others (especially teens), gaining trust, and so on. He is a true sociopath. It was quite awhile before one of them caught him in the act in a bathroom. It's far less simple than many think.

[Loki Liesmith]

5. His music is great but

He’s always been a bit stupid

[Coventina]

6. Bigmouth Strikes Again: Some things you have to understand about Morrissey

First thing is, he's a deeply cynical person. Everyone who has paid any attention to his life and work knows this. Just about everything that comes out of his mouth is cynical. This does not break with that pattern.

Secondly, he's English, not American. He chooses now to live in America, but his worldview is deeply English (with a significant undercurrent of Irish rebellion). He grew up with mainstream newspapers that feature topless women on the second page. He grew up with a media world that required that you sell your body, your sexuality, your soul in order to attain fame. It doesn't make it RIGHT, but someone in the entertainment business was assumed to have bought into that requirement with their eyes wide open.

I see this a lot with entertainers and even just normal folks between Europe and America. There are deep misunderstandings about American racism, American views on sexuality, etc. etc. We might be similar in a lot of ways, but we are also very different.

I once had a very lengthy and ugly argument with a European girl who could not be brought to believe that calling an African American adult male a "boy" was deeply offensive. There are just certain things that they take for granted in their worldviews that don't jive with ours. And vice-versa.

Morrissey has said stupid, offensive things his entire career. Mostly, it's due to his underlying cynicism and outlook that everyone is only ever out for themselves, and to make money on the backs of others. His long-standing career in the music business has done nothing but prove this to him over and over again.

It should all be taken for what it is: one person's opinion. He's flawed like everybody else. And he's acknowledged that repeatedly as well.

[riverwalker]

8. Hes a Trump fan

The Pepe’s love him.

[Coventina]

9. That is a blatant lie. He's as anti-Trump as they come.

I just saw his show 3 times in 7 days.

Every one of them was filled with anti-Trump statements, songs, and visuals.

Take your lies elsewhere.

[Codeine]

13. Utter bullshit.

Moz is virulently anti-Trump, almost cartoonishly so.

"The Pepes love him." Where do you get this shit?

[dhill926]

15. back it up....

uh huh.....

[Bradical79]

34. He's the opposite of a Trump fan

Though those pro-pedo scumbags might be fans of his now. Still, he is very anti Donald Trump.

[marble falls]

11. If Morrissey hasn't been irrelevant for two decades, he's irreleant now and seems too ...

easily dismissive of child victims of sex crimes. Any sex with a child is a crime and besides having parents being present did not seem to keep Spacey's hands off of several of his accusers. It shouldn't take another adult to keep another adult's hands off of children.

Makes me want to ask: what behavior of his own is Morrissey seemingly trying to diminish?

[Coventina]

12. Um, no. This is a man who wrote a song decrying the abuse/murder of children.

Thanks for playing a nasty game of innuendo, though.

[marble falls]

17. Like He wasn't throwing shade on molested children and their parents, thankyou for standing ...

up for a rapist's apologist.

[Coventina]

18. So somebody says something you don't like and that makes them pro-child rape.

You are adorable!!

[marble falls]

19. Looking into a mirror are you.....

what makes Spacey's fourteen year old less credible that Moore's???? Where was her parents?

[Coventina]

22. What are you talking about? I never said anything about the credibility of the victims.

I'm defending Morrissey from your evil insinuation that he's a child molester.

[Bradical79]

25. You're defending someone who defends child rape

Don't act like the person you're responding to is the one making evil comments. Look in the mirror. Ask yourself why you care more about a rape defender's rep than children who were raped.

[Coventina]

26. I am doing no such thing, and Morrissey didn't say anything like what you are accusing him of.

But go ahead and keep living in your fantasy world, if that suits you better.

You can fling all the mud you want, but it won't do anything but make you dirtier.

[Bradical79]

31. He is in plain English

You seem to be the only one not understanding his comments. It's not mud flinging, it's an 100% accurate description of what you're are doing and what he said. It's sad that you can't see that. I'm not the one defending filth here.

[Coventina]

32. OK, please send me the link where he said, "I am pro-child rape."

Otherwise, you are lying.

[Bradical79]

33. It's in the OP

"One wonders if the boy did not know what would happen. I do not know about you, but in my youth I have never been in situations like this," he continued. "Never. I was always aware of what could happen. When you are in somebody’s bedroom, you have to be aware of where that can lead to. That’s why it does not sound very credible to me. It seems to me that Spacey has been attacked unnecessarily."

He's defending Spacey's actions based on assumptions of the child's awareness. Trying to redefine what child rape is and blaming the victim is the same as being pro-child rape. It's no different than how Roy Moore was defended. Go ahead an keep calling me a liar though.

[Bradical79]

23. Morrissey is pro child rape -nt

[snooper2]

27. and the jury verdict will be....

[Coventina]

28. Oh brother, seriously?

Some people.

[Coventina]

30. Thanks.

Nice to know there's a bit of sanity!!

[Bradical79]

35. My thoughts exactly

It's just disgusting to defend Spacey in that way, and blame the victims in the process. No, a 14 year old is often NOT aware of what they're getting into. Been in multiple hotel rooms as a teen alone with adults traveling for martial arts tournaments. Never been raped. It's not something a child (or anyone) should expect. Now if I were a parent today, I'd certainly do my best to prevent such a thing considering the revelations social media has had on the prevalence of sexual abuse, but still wouldn't expect someone so young in general to expect such a thing, or take into account future psychological damage even if "consenting". (

I put consent in " " because as a young teen I would have consented to all sorts of things because I was a typical naive kid unaware of how much I may be hurt. It's why we typically don't consider people so young to be able to consent to sex with adults. In case anyone is confused.