Judge permanently blocks Trump sanctuary cities order
Source: NBC News
SAN FRANCISCO A federal judge on Monday permanently blocked President Donald Trump's executive order to cut funding from cities that limit cooperation with U.S. immigration authorities.
U.S. District Court Judge William Orrick rejected the administration's argument that the executive order applies only to a relatively small pot of money and said Trump cannot set new conditions on spending approved by Congress.
The judge had previously made the same arguments in a ruling that put a temporary hold on the executive order targeting so-called sanctuary cities. The Trump administration has appealed that decision to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
"The District Court exceeded its authority today when it barred the President from instructing his cabinet members to enforce existing law," Department of Justice spokesman Devin O'Malley said in a statement late Monday. "The Justice Department will vindicate the President's lawful authority to direct the executive branch."
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-permanently-blocks-trump-sanctuary-cities-order-n822766
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,104 posts)Other district courts in the country may rule otherwise; however, they can use the reasoning from this court to be consistent.
Wonder if Trump's going to take this to the USSC.
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)Congress controls the money and purpose for it being authorized and the Executive Branch cannot randomly change the conditions for it after the fact - separation of powers. The funding that is in place right now was already signed off by the President in the form of appropriations for fiscal year 2017 with the stipulations already set down in writing in the appropriations language (and may include approved multi-year funding signed off by the previous President).
This does NOT stop Congress from explicitly stating in any FUTURE appropriations that cities must "comply" with whatever they state, in order to qualify for the funding... although that could possibly be challenged in court as well.
This is a case of "business" idiots who think they can run government like a business and they will fail every time. I think this is why, per an article I read yesterday, that the Drumpfites in this administration have started bringing in old Bushites.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)at all. I wonder if people are going to convince or dissuade Trump on taking this to the USSC. This could be presented for a limited ruling if they were concerned about losing, leaving the issue open for a far wider ruling on another case later.
Interesting article, BumRush. With a pathologically incompetent president, the people filling hugely powerful offices are even more powerful. It reminded me of this WaPo article from August that described 6 power groups around Trump. The graphic shows the Republican establishment group devastated at that time. VP Pence was still there, of course, and now it's being rebuilt...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/trump-white-house-staff/?utm_term=.854af08573ab
Huge lacks in both articles, though, are that neither mentions various ties to stratospherically wealthy power groups. Which ones are strongest agents of whom, which are not, and which always have reliably served the new megawealthy classes, including during the Bush admin.
And back to this, how big an issue is this for those classes? If they don't care, would it be useful for holding the trumpsters?
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)Although it is missing all the Russians!
https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/russia-trump-his-administration-s-ties
There are all sorts of charts out there and this is also impacting who is being brought in and the clashes.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)Heard on the radio overnight and the key piece of the ruling (from a WaPo article) -
Orrick, in his summary of the case Monday, found that the Trump administrations efforts to move local officials to cooperate with its efforts to deport undocumented immigrants violated the separation of powers doctrine as well as the Fifth and Tenth amendments.
The Constitution vests the spending powers in Congress, not the President, so the Executive Order cannot constitutionally place new conditions on federal funds. Further, the Tenth Amendment requires that conditions on federal funds be unambiguous and timely made; that they bear some relation to the funds at issue; and that they not be unduly coercive, the judge wrote. Federal funding that bears no meaningful relationship to immigration enforcement cannot be threatened merely because a jurisdiction chooses an immigration enforcement strategy of which the President disapproves.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/21/federal-judge-blocks-trumps-executive-order-on-denying-funding-to-sanctuary-cities/
This is just plain old appropriations law. Congress (where the House originates) controls the power of the purse and designates the type, amount, and purpose of funds, including what they can and cannot be used for. The Executive Branch cannot add stipulations beyond what Congress has authorized.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)way this executive order violates the constitution. I like this part:
What is amazing about this is the thoroughness with which he dismisses the executive order, she said. The major ways in which an executive action can fail to be constitutional are all included in this suit, and Orrick is accepting the argument that literally every way the executive branch could violate the Constitution with regard to municipalities, this administration has.
Especially interesting is the separation of powers issue, potentially far more enduring however it might be decided. Here's part of an argument for from TenthAmendmentCenter.com. (Love the internet, in spite of... )
Can local authorities refuse to help the feds enforce federal law? In a word, yes. There is no legal obligation on the part of local authorities to help the feds with manpower or resources or data to enforce federal law within the jurisdiction of those local authorities.
During the Clinton administration, when Congress passed legislation that directed local law enforcement to enforce a federal gun registration scheme, the Supreme Court invalidated the statute. It ruled that the feds cannot commandeer local and state officials and compel them to enforce federal laws; the feds can enforce their own laws.
The federal compulsion, the court held, violated the Guarantee Clause of the Constitution, which guarantees a representative form of government in every state. If the feds could enter a state and nullify the will of elected state officials not to spend state tax dollars, that would unconstitutionally impair representative government in those states.
Can the feds withhold federal funds from cities that refuse to cooperate in the enforcement of federal law? Yes and no. ...
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2017/08/10/sanctuary-cities-and-the-rule-of-law/
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)is that what differentiated federal vs state/local was "interstate commerce". I.e., if something "crosses a border" (state or national), then it comes under the purview of the federal government. That is part and parcel of the "Republic" system that we have in place that includes various levels of "government".
Case in point is how Arizona's "immigration" practices were struck down time and time again (including the idiot Sheriff Arpaio) where "local" governments were attempting to carry out "federal" functions.
In another simple case, folks will notice that if a criminal violates a law in one state and flees to another and is held (on something else), the state where the criminal committed the crime must ASK authorities in the state where the criminal was captured, for extradition. The originator state can't just haul off and travel to the other state, grab the criminal, and return home. And since in that case there was a (state) border crossing by the criminal, then the federal authorities are notified, and technically have jurisdiction.
This doesn't mean that the two (federal/state) can't work together as there are thousands of "federal-state partnerships" and "MOUs" (Memorandums of Understanding) where federal and state/local agencies with similar oversight, "share resources" to carry out certain functions. But minus those types of agreements, state/local governments are prohibited from carrying out federal functions.
orangecrush
(19,554 posts)The judiciary is standing firm.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)...and yet the republicans adore him blasphemously as their "god-emperor."
Sick.