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Psephos

(8,032 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:11 PM Aug 2012

Treasury: U.S. to lose $25 billion on auto bailout

Source: Detroit News

Washington -The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That's 15 percent higher than its previous forecast.

In a monthly report sent to Congress on Friday, the Obama administration boosted its forecast of expected losses by more than $3.3 billion to almost $25.1 billion, up from $21.7 billion in the last quarterly update. The report may still underestimate the losses. The report covers predicted losses through May 31, when GM's stock price was $22.20 a share.

On Monday, GM stock fell $0.07, or 0.3 percent, to $20.47. At that price, the government would lose another $850 million on its GM bailout.

The government still holds 500 million shares of GM stock and needs to sell them for about $53 each to recover its entire $49.5 billion bailout. At the current price, the Treasury would lose more than $16 billion on its GM bailout. The steep decline in GM's stock price has indefinitely delayed the Treasury's sale of its remaining 26 percent stake in GM. No sale will take place before the November election.

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Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120813/AUTO01/208130392

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bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
3. I'd say the Volt is more of a car for the top 10%
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:19 PM
Aug 2012

Of the latte-drinking liberal type.

In any case, while the car is not cheap, we are not talking Ferrari prices here.

And then of course are all of the jobs this vehicle has created.

IndyJones

(1,068 posts)
10. And remind me again, how much do those CEOs make? And what was their corporate tax liability?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:03 AM
Aug 2012

I always think it's suspect when a company's CEO makes more than the company pays in income taxes.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
2. Money well spent and saved in the long run
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:16 PM
Aug 2012

Had we just let GM and Chrysler vanish, there would have been a million job losses, and a deduction of more GDP, meaning less tax revenue coming in.

All those unemployed people would then be drawing unemployment insurance, food stamps, welfare and Medicaid, thereby costing taxpayers more money.

All those unemployed people would have their houses foreclosed upon, driving the housing market even further into the abyss and depressing property values and property tax revenue down still more in the factory towns.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
4. I agree wholeheartedly, but what I don't understand is...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:21 PM
Aug 2012

minus overhead and operating expenses, why every penny of profit that GM and Chrysler make ISN'T going directly to the Treasury until that bailout is repaid. If I missed something, please feel free to explain it to me, as I am uninformed...

Igel

(35,300 posts)
11. That assumes that all the demand would have been met by existing facilities and workers.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:17 AM
Aug 2012

That GM hung in there means that the demand was there.

However, things like pensions would have become a government liability.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
8. It's stock the government owns. Right now it's a paper loss.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:59 PM
Aug 2012

This loss would only be realized if the government sold the shares.

GM stock price may well recover soon for all I know. Plus I find nothing wrong with government holding stock in some companies.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
9. The Iraq War cost $720 million per day
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:42 AM
Aug 2012

So, for less than the cost of 35 days worth of American soldiers getting killed in an illegal war of occupation, we saved pretty much the entire economy. Sounds like a decent tradeoff to me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/21/AR2007092102074.html

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
12. Why, that would have avoided six months of defense cuts!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:18 AM
Aug 2012

The entire $50 billion cost of the auto bailout is equal to the amount which will be cut from the DOD budget every year for the next ten years, thanks entirely to Republican greed and incompetence.

So I would say that we the people came out ahead, didn't we?

 

ObelixS

(8 posts)
14. $100,000 Notes for Federal Reserve Banks
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:36 PM
Aug 2012

The $100,000 Gold Certificate was used only for official transactions between Federal Reserve Banks and was not circulated among the general public. This note cannot be legally held by currency note collectors.

http://moneyfactory.gov/100000goldcertificate.html

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