Kentucky woman killed, husband injured in Christmas Eve pit bull attack
Source: DAily News
The owner of a pair of pit bulls that killed a Kentucky woman and injured her husband has been charged with harboring a vicious animal.
The dog s involved in the deadly Christmas Eve attack belong to 42-year-old Johnny Dale Lankford, who is already jailed at the Bell County Detention Center for an unrelated incident, WBIR reported. He’s facing charges including second degree assault, domestic violence and unlawful imprisonment and was being held in lieu of a $25,000 bond.
Lorraine Saylor was putting bird seed out in her yard at her Kentucky home Sunday when she was mauled by the two pit bulls. Her husband, Johnny Saylor, rushed outside to help only to be attacked by the dogs as well, according to WKRN.
His brother rushed outside when he heard the commotion and was able to distract the dogs long enough to allow Johnny to rush inside and grab a pistol.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-killed-husband-injured-christmas-eve-pit-bull-attack-article-1.3720367
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Fullduplexxx
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CentralMass
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uppityperson
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Rollo
(2,559 posts)However pit bulls have the body types where their viciousness can kill adult humans. Powerful jaws, strong muscular bodies. It's why criminals choose them for attack dogs.
The breed may also have temperament more suited to attack mode, especially if not properly socialized.
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)
Dr_Pretorius
(71 posts)Thanks!
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)A quick Google, I grabbed the first couple for each
Labs
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/boy-4-killed-by-family-labrador-in-horror-attack-20160817
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html
St Bernards
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-reveals-horrific-injuries-after-8395631
http://kfor.com/2016/02/07/oklahoma-city-homeowner-in-serious-condition-after-vicious-dog-attack/
Greyhound
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1990459/mums-fury-at-dog-walker-after-their-out-of-control-greyhound-bit-son-9-as-he-played-football-with-friends/
http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/14460002.Greyhound_attacks_three_dogs_and_their_owners/
Newfoundlands
I find multiple stories of dogs being attacked by Newfies, but first 2 pages of google news didn't give articles.
I hope you realize that media gets more hits on OMGPITBULL than OMGLAB, it's more profitable to report omgpitbull. Also breed misidentification is common.
Larger dogs are more dangerous.
Kaleva
(40,202 posts)"According to DogsBite.org , a non-profit organization and national dog bite victims' group that tracks canine attacks in the USA, from 2005 to 2016, 392 Americans were killed by dogs in that 12-year period. 65% of those deaths were due to pitbulls, making pitbulls, by far, the breed responsible for the largest number and highest percentage of dog bite fatalities in the USA"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
According to the data in the link below, St. Bernards accounted for a tiny fraction of dog attack deaths from 1979 to 1998. Labs and greyhounds didn't make the list. Pittbull types and Rottweilers accounted for many of the deaths.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150411211206/http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)papers and air time? Thats like saying there should be a Muslim ban because info gathered from news accounts show how dangerous they are.
Thank you for providing a wiki link backing up what I said. From that link
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The authors found that in a significant number of DBRFs there was either a conflict between different media sources reporting breed and/or a conflict between media and animal control reports relative to the reporting of breed. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts of DBRFs, media sources reported conflicting breed attributions for 124 of the dogs (30.9%); and where there were media reports and an animal control report (346 dogs), there were conflicting breed attributions for 139 dogs (40.2%)
According to this study, reliable verification of the breed of dog was only possible in 18% of incidents.
Kaleva
(40,202 posts)"Results—During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of these deaths."
https://web.archive.org/web/20150411211206/http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)flawed results. I'm also skeptical about "pit bull-type dogs" having any sort of accuracy or objective validity.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 26, 2017, 06:29 PM - Edit history (1)
deserving of their reputation, though, Uppity, because it's part of a dangerous syndrome. Dogs with a reputation for attacking people attract bad owners. Right? Most owners are not bad, of course, but every person here has personal stories to relate of those who chose these dogs for very wrong reasons.
This strikes me, in fact, as similar to the way politicians, both right and left, who build reputations on passionately attacking other politicians or parties (instead of enthusiastically talking about proposed policies), tend to attract a lot of the kind of voters who are more drawn to destruction than building.
Dog owner or voter, when avowed principles conflict with behaviors, wise people will pay very close attention to the behaviors.
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)German Shepherds have gone through a phase of "attack dog" also. Banning a breed or body style because some assholes mistreat their dogs does little to help the problem because the breed or style dog they use can and does change.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that the sorts of people who are drawn to aggressive breeds, but lack the ability to properly train and control them would not be deterred, by merely banning. If there's a market, breeders will produce something to fill it.
Interesting.
Muneravenmn
(12 posts)Tough-looking dogs are very often owned by dimwits who want a dog to make them look more dangerous and manly. These guys and the foolish women who enable them TEACH these dogs to be aggressive from puppyhood.
If you take a dog with a lot of size and jaw muscles that has been bred to attack directly and hang on, and then teach that dog to be aggressive, you have a recipe for devastating bite injuries.
I have a German Shepherd. GSDs attack very differently than the bully breeds. Unless trained to attack directly, they will usually get behind you and bite the back of your leg, like a wolf. I also have a Belgian Shepherd. His instinct is to come at you directly but bite, shake, and release, circle, and assess where to attack next. And my Australian Shepherd just wants to nip your heels and keep you where you belong. Now none of my dogs are apt to bite, as I have trained them to look to me for cues and they do: They are friendly unless I am distinctly UNFRIENDLY. But I KNOW my dogs and how they think.
I like pit bulls, but I also know it is important to train them correctly and know their instincts. It is infinitely sad that idiot people breed and own pitbulls and make so many of them suffer abuse and death. And it is awful that innocent people are injured by these dogs.
Any dog can bite. I have to say, my black Belgian Shepherd goes 90 pounds and when he fixes his intense attention on anything he looks scary. But he just wants a cookie or a kiss because he has been raised well. 
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Little dogs don't like me I guess.
TBA
(893 posts)Several deep bites before the owner got them off of me.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Yours seems a most apt description of humans rather than dogs...
Rollo
(2,559 posts)And you don't often hear of a human mauling another human to death with teeth ...
Just as there are crazed people, there are crazed dogs.
Except the dogs go around armed with potentially lethal weapons 7x24. They need to be cared for and treated well so that they don't hate people.
avebury
(11,186 posts)yard in my neighborhood, even coming after my chihuahua four times. The most recent was one pit of three that crawled under the fence to get out. I always carry a big ass stick with me for protection and when the dog realized she was by herself she went back under the fence into her yard. Had the other two dogs crawled out under the fence with her it could have gotten really bad. Luckily the people renting the property were evicted after that.
Do I have a probelm with Pitbulls? You bet. When you have to carry, at a minimum, a big ass stick for protection just to walk in your own neighborhood that is not good. I can't even let my dog out in my own backyard by herself for short periods of time because the people on the otherside of my backyard have a pit who is a fence hopper.
Dogs are social animals People who "adopt" dogs and just dump them in their backyards with little to no interaction are not doing the dogs any favors or their neighbots. And it is not just pitbulls that get dumped in yards, other dogs are dumped outside and neglected as well.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,388 posts)The neighbor behind and two doors over had two Pits. Of course left out in the yard all day. I had my dog out and one of them made a bee line to us and hopped the fences like they weren't even there.
Fucking great. I grabbed my dog and ran in the house.
We only visit but fuck. I haven't seen the dogs lately. I think the guy was evicted.
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)I lived with a Doberman fence hopper who terrified neighbor kids by running up wagging her stumpy tail, back when dobies were the omg dog. That dog was lucky she survived due to the omg Doberman fears.
People who don't take care of theIr dogs are a big problem.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)second degree assault, domestic violence and unlawful imprisonment. It is a damn shame any creature has to live with a jerk like this. The owner was in jail. Who the hell let the dogs out? Once again Pitbulls get a bad wrap because of a really bad owner and situation.
exboyfil
(18,338 posts)there is no clear analogy. What would be the charge for leaving a loaded gun without a safety at a school yard? Still not adequate because it requires some action by the victim.
You dog kills someone it should be the same punishment as vehicular negligent homicide?
marybourg
(13,589 posts)about abused Cocker Spanials mauling anyone.
Rollo
(2,559 posts)
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)If you know anything about Cavaliers you know that they love nothing better than to snuggle and cuddle with their humans. Got a call a couple of years ago. Our state coordinator had received a call from a local shelter about the Cavalier. His owner wanted to turn him in because he was a) diabetic and b) had bitten her so badly she had to go to the hospital and he underwent a one-week home quarantine. The shelter wasn't set up to handle a diabetic dog, would our rescue take him? Since we already had one diabetic dog, we got the call.
We took him in. It took some time and some work, but he is now the sweetest, cuddliest, most obedient dog you can imagine. Some things we found out/deduced about him. His diabetes was NOT well-controlled. If you have a diabetic dog you have to make sure they get the proper dosage each day, every day. No skipping a shot because you are running late. Give the correct dose each day, every day. We also deduced he was left at home for long hours, each day, every day, with a standard poodle who was the King of the Walk and who pushed the Cavalier off his food, stole his toys and generally made his life miserable.
Do you ever wonder if Pit Bulls are inherently aggressive, or than some Pit Bull owners are drawn to Pit Bulls because of their image of being aggressive? I've known Pit Bulls who was sweet, friendly, cuddly and so on. They are big and heavy and need to be trained as to expectations, but then again, all dogs are. If you don't make sure your dogs know that you are 'top dog' you will have issues. They have to know what you will and won't stand for. Doesn't mean that you have to be mean, it means they need to know that when you say 'NO' it really means 'no'. When you stay 'STOP' it really means 'stop'.
And, just for the record, there is no such breed as 'Pit Bull'. Don't believe me, go to http://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/?letter=P and scroll down this list of recognized breeds and you will discover there is no 'Pit Bull'.
marybourg
(13,589 posts)Any dog could bite, given the confluence of negative conditions. But biting isn't mauling to death.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)1) AKC won't register the breed due to their reputation. UKC happily does.
2) Just because AKC does not recognize a breed, does not mean it's not a breed. In fact, considering AKC is run by a bunch if CEOs wives who favor beauty pageants to ability, many responsible breed clubs purposely do NOT want their breed recognized by AKC. Border Collies cone to mind. AKC did exactly what the breed club feared they would do.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)being a cat person, I wouldn't have any kind of dog, but I have known 2 pit bulls that were so sweet, not a mean bone in their body, absolutely nothing to fear.
I really wonder why some of them turn on the person that cares for them. I believe a lot come from a strain that were bred for fighting, but even some of those have turned out to be loving pets.
Rollo
(2,559 posts)
TexasBushwhacker
(21,095 posts)However he was easily excited by other dogs and would get into vicious fights.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)He's the sweetest animal you'd ever want to meet. Interestingly, he's SUPER fastidious, we call him our 'little gay dog' (not at all in a 'mean' sense) because it REALLY seems like he totally cares about his appearance ... he grooms and cleans himself and chews his nails as soon as they grow out ... put it this way, he grooms himself more than our cat, easily.
AND ... he wouldn't hurt a fly ... and there's been a number of Pitties in my wifes family over the years, all of them around small children, w/o incident, ever.
OTOH our German ShortHaired Pointer mix we rescued at around 6 months old, from a tough neighborhood, while also SUPER sweet towards us ... is also much more aggressive towards other dogs than the Pit, and has even growled at my wife and I over minor things he didn't like. The Pit ... has NEVER done that. He's SO sensitive to scolding it's not even funny.
It's true Pits are more dangerous than, say, Cocker Spaniels, cause they're far bigger and stronger. But painting them with a broad brush and imagining every one of them might just up and kill someone ... is WRONG. They are not 'all mean', some of them are the best damned dogs you'd ever wanna meet ... but you do need to know how to raise them, and I'd support any (reasonable) effort to eradicate (or at least sterilize) any dogs of ANY LARGE BREED ... that are known to be the product of purposeful breeding favoring aggressive traits ...
cab67
(3,640 posts)It's not the gun - it's the owner.
There's nothing wrong with an AR-15 by itself. In the hands of a responsible gun owner who locks it when not in use and knows how to shoot safely, it's no deadlier than a bb gun.
But they sure do seem to feature prominently when mass shootings take place.
I honestly don't know what the answer is about pitbulls and similar breeds. Pete, the dog from the old Our Gang series, was a pitbull, and I've encountered very well socialized pitbulls - so I'm fully aware that an individual pitbull is not necessarily a dangerous animal. But facts are facts - they're responsible for a disproportionate number of dog bite fatalities.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Those arguments are not ENTIRELY without merit.
Many 'pit-bull style' dogs have been selectively bred for hostile/aggressive traits, and some people raise them to be mean and/or neglect them, to the point that they just naturally become mean. And yes, a mean pit (or rottie, or german shepard, or doberman, or ...) is a dangerous animal and I understand the need to put some of them down, and REALLY would like to see people go to jail for purposefully breeding any dog breed to be meaner (if that's possible to ascertain) and/or training them to fight. We already have laws against fighting them I think in most places but that's not enough. I would support requiring special permits with higher standards of proof of competency and appropriate accommodations, etc ... for any large-breed dogs that've been known to kill humans, disallowing people with felonies from owning them, etc.
I don't like the fact that people blame the breed ... or think that they're all bad/mean/about to snap and kill us all. People ultimately are responsible for this problem vis-a-vis their actions, not really fair to take it out on the animal. And they're NOT all mean dogs by any stretch. Depends on their lineage and how you raise 'em.
cab67
(3,640 posts)Dogs aren’t the only potentially lethal pet out there. I work with reptiles, both professionally and as a pet owner. In too many places, it’s perfectly legal to own a reticulated python, a large monitor lizard, or even a crocodile. These simply should not be pets - or if they are, there has to be evidence that the owner knows how to handle them.
That these have gotten loose and started breeding in the wild, devastating some ecosystems (esp. south Florida) is another issue - but the fact that an anaconda (which i’ve seen for sale at reptile shows) can easily kill a child long before it’s full grown should call for regulation.
The German Shepherd is probably my favorite dog breed. If my directors (both of whom are cats) would go along, i’d consider adopting one. They won’t.
cab67
(3,640 posts)There are exceptions (as always), and like I said, other breeds have the same tendency. Boxers come to mind (with the same caveat about exceptions).
EllieBC
(3,623 posts)not to other small animals. Chewed up another housemate's tortoise who was just doing his tortoise thing in the yard. Chased and chewed up a few feral cats as well. We kicked that housemate and her pit bill out.
BigmanPigman
(54,593 posts)bucolic_frolic
(54,068 posts)saw 2 neighbor dogs one night ... loose ... not sure of breed, midsize, tan, always yelping in the daytime
township enforces nothing, fired animal control years ago
but they have armored vehicles!
avebury
(11,186 posts)There are several in my neighborhood who are essentially left out in their years 24/7 with not much interactions with their people. A few of them could be pretty dangerous if they are able to get out. Over time there have been four different pits that have gotten out. One dog tried to kill my chihuahua a few months back. I don't feel comfortable around pits at all. I have to take a pretty big a** stick with me when I walk my dog. A few months ago, in another part of the city, some pits killed an elderly woman.
madville
(7,841 posts)Especially working around my property or out in the woods. It's very rural where I live, I'm not scared of other people, I worry about all the wild/ferrel dogs that run around in packs here.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)it seems most of the attacks are by more than one dog. A woman was recently mauled to death when walking her 2 pits in the woods. This attack is also by 2 dogs.
The pits I knew were owned by the same people but not at the same time,
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)but I have zero tolerance for humans who program dogs as weapons.
I was walking my corgi several years ago one peaceful Sunday morning and was attacked out of nowhere by two giant German shepherds. My pup jumped into my arms squealing, while the attackers had their paws on my shoulders, and the neighbors were yelling out their windows to "run! run!".
I never saw those dogs again, but found out from other dog-walkers that they'd been attacked and mauled, and that the shepherds had been declared "dangerous animals" and had been sent to doggie jail. The (criminal) owners had bailed them out at $500 each.
One couple walked their dogs armed with a baseball bat after one of them went to the hospital with severe bites to his leg from that pair.
Zero tolerance for dogfights and cruel dog owners. Zero.
mackdaddy
(1,945 posts)Any dog can have their "attack cycle" activated. I have lived with dogs my entire 6 decades and have seen it. Nothing like watching your buddies the family beagles tear apart a wild rabbit to let you know they are predators. For some reason these large powerful dogs have triggered on these people as prey targets, even their owners.
But someone who keeps proven dangerous dogs should be made completely liable for them. Keeping a dog with a history of attacks is no different than keeping any predator like a wolf or a lion.
You can not always tell what will set them off. And some individual dogs have more of a "wild" attack streak than others.
The problem with these large and powerful dog breeds is their potential lethal attack.
By the way, I have 4 dogs now (two plus two adopted from a deceased friend) and I have been seriously attacked twice in my life. Once when I was 10 by a neighbors coon hound took 28 stitches to close up.
elfin
(6,262 posts)One - a Trump thug, or inner city thug who has deliberately bought a dog from a fighting line and only gives it up to a shelter when it becomes out of control at home or who marries and the spouse says to get rid of it. Then it turns up in a rescue position to be adopted by....
Two - a Trumpian, though not belligerent himself, (in fact, sweet) but likes the "macho" image by owning a pit bull and huge truck etc. That dog is Ok by all observation and exhibits friendliness and good behavior. And yet, I am wary and do not let my smaller dog out at the same time.
Three - the ultra-softies (male or female) who reach out and foster dogs in trouble and will make any excuse for whatever bad story crops up in current events.
Four - those who want the breed and make SURE the line is from parentage that has the sweet and loyal behavior the supporters describe.
I am wary of ALL dogs, but especially so around Ptties and Rotties (had one attack and nearly kill my previous small dog out of the blue.)
There is a reason for their reputation, however unwarranted in some instances.
I have a hunch the woman killed recently was type number 3.
cannabis_flower
(3,919 posts)that the woman was killed by dogs owned by her neighbor who was in jail. So she wasn't any of the types because she didn't own the dogs.
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Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Who, I bet, was a breeder, since he had two, and they are no use hunting.
elfin
(6,262 posts)
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)mean bastard; had his brother from another litter and he wasn't much better
Rollo
(2,559 posts)And I remember running into a friend's poodle at his house in high school, and that thing couldn't stop nipping at me.
I do think some breeds are more even tempered than others. Such as labs, or retrievers. I personally would not want to own a pit bull, or a poodle, or any other dog bred for hunting (retrieving seems to come from a different instinct).
I don't buy that all dogs are born the same.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)none of those dogs are trained to be fighters, and there's a good reason for that, just like there is a good reason that Pits make excellent fighting dogs. So do Rotties.
Kaleva
(40,202 posts)"It is unclear what drove the dogs to attack their neighbors, but experts say it’s unlikely that pit bulls just turn bad. Typically, such attacks result from big lifestyle changes, such as being kept in a pen or away from people."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pit-bulls-maul-woman-death-144458302.html
"The 22-year-old left her pets with her dad because she was going through personal events, friends said. Blackwood said the dogs began living outside in a kennel and Stephens’ father “wasn’t taking care of them — it wasn’t his responsibility.” Eventually, Tonka and Pac-Man were living out “in the cold.”
Paul said the “huge” lifestyle change could have caused them to maul their owner."
https://nypost.com/2017/12/20/trainer-reveals-why-dogs-may-have-mauled-owner-to-death/
doc03
(38,841 posts)policy on pit bulls. Could it be they are a dangerous breed?
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)
targetpractice
(4,919 posts)I know that there are good dogs and bad owners, and any breed can attack. But, when pit bulls do attack it can be lethal because their bite is so powerful. A poodle attack, not so much.
I love all dogs, but I do think it's irresponsible to breed more pit bulls today. Adopt and neuter them, give them a loving home, but on rare occasions pit bulls are deadly. I think fixing pit bulls should be mandatory.
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)https://topdogtips.com/dogs-strongest-bite-force/
APB is #9 out of the top 10.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)It takes very little to set them off.
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I'm a dog trainer professionally.
I doubt you even know what I mean by threshold
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)Link to reputable source is needed.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)They we're BRED to have low thresholds. A non reactive dog is not much good in the pit.
https://www.mchumane.org/your-pet/resources/for-your-dog/the-normal-pit-bull/
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)From your link, thank you for this important point...
In the pit bulls world, we like to joke about the “technical term” for this -– the Wiggle Butt. It is the single most important component in pit bull temperament. The sight of a human being should bring about such happiness, that the tail wags the dog. Pit bulls make lousy guard dogs for this reason. When evaluating pit bulls for adoptability, this is the deal breaker. Any pit bull who shows aggression towards people should not be adopted out. It goes against everything pit bulls were created to be. It is a part of the code of ethics of pit bull rescue that pits who are human aggressive should be humanely euthanized. Please note, that the next topic, dog aggression is completely different from human aggression.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)That article clearly stated that the dogs have low thresholds, dog aggression, and high to extreme prey drive
You take one excerpt on how a properly bred and maintained dog should behave around people and twist, twist, twist
MOST people have no fucking business owning these dogs. Maybe you are one of the minority who has the accommodations and faculties to do so.
The article clearly notes that owning these dogs is different.
Quit doing shit like that.
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)the part about human interactions than cherry pick other bits. People aren't squirrels.
Quoting the relevant part of your linked article is "twist twist twist"? 
Here's more from your link
Versatility:
Pit bulls are tenacious and can excel at many things. This tenacity, combined with their athleticism and willingness to please their handlers make pits excellent competitors in agility, obedience, and weight-pull competition. They are also known to be wonderful therapy and service dogs. There are exceptional search and rescue bullies. And of course, they are amazing companion dogs.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)And then continue to say any human aggression is euthanized.
So tell me about all of these great pitbull breeders?
What venues do they have to test the dogs temperament and ability for breeding approval?
You know like shepherds have the SV and BH. Continentals have the JGHV or even NAVHDA.
What does the breed club disqualify for breeding? What are the by laws. How many breed wardens do you have?
Oh yeah, NONE.
They are indescrimently bred by breeders with no breeding evaluations required. Then you wonder why the breed is in tatters. Stupid people breeding bad dogs towards NO common purpose.
Funny, huh?
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)You insult me. You swear at me. You are angry at me for quoting from your link.
I hope you agree that people are neither squirrels or dogs.
You now say the problem is people, like I've been saying. Good. Progress is being made here.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)The breed is a mess, which comes from indescrimently breeding bad dogs.
A pitbull properly bred should NOT be man sharp, period. But lots of them are.
It's not the handler, it's the breeder and the genetics. That's the fallacy here.
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)You gave a link saying they are highly people friendly, though often go after squirrels. And that somehow proves "the breed is a mess" and "man sharp"?
Maybe a link backing up your assertion would help. Further insults and cussing won't. So, link to reputable source saying what you claim?
I do agree that bad breeding is an issue with all breeds of dogs. There is no need to put that on any one breed or body type, but all dogs.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)It clearly notes that there ARE man sharp dogs and they euthanize immediately.
Do you know why? Because they understand it's a GENETIC issue and cannot be fixed.
This is completely counter to the "it's how you raise them" crowd.
We're done here. You can't even be honest on an article that clearly spells out the issues
So....bye
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)You continue to say because they can be reactive to squirrels, they were dangerous to people. " people friendly" is good and is what your link says. I guess you can not find a reputable link proving what your say so sink back on to insults and huffing off. 
Maybe someday someone will be able to provide a link from a reputable source showing pitties being more dangerous than other dogs due to genetics.
I agree that a problem with any and all dog breeds is indiscriminate breeding. It's not special to pitties like you seem to be indicating.
Every dog can be dangerous. Size matters too.
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)It's not just pitties, but each and every breed including pure mutts.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)GSD dogs, malinois, Dutch shepherds, Reisenschnauzer, and a host of other dogs are selectively bred fir man aggression.
But they have breeding tests and requirements to prove they can descriminate a real threat can kid, unlike pitbull breeders.
Can we be done now please!
uppityperson
(115,996 posts)You argue that those dogs who are "selectively bred fir (sic) man aggression" are less dangerous than ones bred to be friendly to humans?
Do you truly believe "GSD dogs, malinois, Dutch shepherds, Reisenschnauzer, and a host of other dogs" don't get bred by backyard breeders, only Certified highly ethical breeders who somehow prove puppies " can descriminate (sic) a real threat can kid"? Whatever that means.
get the red out
(13,958 posts)I am no expert, but since dogs have been bred for centuries for particular jobs, genetics have to be a factor. There was a time, I believe, when Cocker Spaniels were poorly bred and many had poor temperaments and even Spaniel Rage Syndrome. Careless breeding.
The 2 Border Collies on the couch with me right now would be useless for duck hunting, and a Lab wouldn't herd shit.
stonecutter357
(12,990 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Sigh.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)A Great Dane ran after me. We were on a USAF base ,
I hurriedly climbed a tree but had to sit there till my mom came looking for me.
She ran it off and the dog had good enough sense to be afraid of her....
ever since then I've been afraid of animals larger than me.
Horses, cows, big dogs....
I don't care about smaller animals ,
I've been bitten and scratched by all kinds
only the size matters.
get the red out
(13,958 posts)I hope the piece of shit who owned the dogs gets some serious consequences.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Horrifying for the neighbor. Being torn apart by dogs is pretty high on the list of shitty ways to die.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Right? Article said owner is brother of woman's husband. Probably stepbrothers, since they're both named Johnny?
stonecutter357
(12,990 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)One of my dogs, a terrier mix (not a Put Bull terrier mix), started attacking my cocker spaniel a few years ago. This was after they had been BFFs for several years. Then it changed. I took incremental steps in protecting my spaniel after that, and got that under control...including having a vet agree to put her down, under certain conditions.
Anyway, she did not go for the jugular or hurt him seriously. She was putting him in his place & punishing him for stealing her treats or whatever. She never did get him anywhere else but his ear, which she had learned she could grab and force him down.
Anyway....I saw a lot of those attacks over the years. And I've watched the Cesar Melan show for years. A dog attack isn't like a dog WANTS to hurt or kill his owner. They don't THINK about an attack. They are REACTING to something, without aforethought. Once it starts, the dog goes from zero to the "red zone" in a split second. It reminds me of a shark feeding frenzy. It's extremely violent (although in my case it looked & sounded more violent than it was), and it doesn't stop until something stops it....an outside force, the victim stops moving, etc.
I also don't think a dog just suddenly starts attacking this violently out of the blue. The dog had probably always had a tendency to react to things in a certain way, but since it didn't try to attack a PERSON, the owner disregarded it. Any dog that is a prey dog (like all terriers), should be guarded, especially. If a dog is of a breed to chase down and kill small prey, that is how it will react in other situations. Usually, it's not with the owner...but it can be, if the dog can't control himself.
So when those 2 dogs were out there....#1...SHE wasn't the owner, so it's possible the dogs viewed her as a sibling, or competition for attention and food. #2...She had birdseed, which the dogs may have wanted to eat, but she wouldn't give it to them. #3...They weren't trained for hand and voice orders, esp from people other than their owner (she may have yelled at them to get back, but they weren't trained to respond to orders, esp from someone not their owner. #4...Dogs act in a pack-like mentality, when there is more than one. A dangerous dog is all the more dangerous, when there is more than one.
Once one of them lurched to attack or get the birdseed or whatever, the other would surely join in, and they would lose control, in a shark-like attack, until something stopped the frenzy, or until the victim stopped moving.
So sad.
How I stopped the fights between my two dogs was I'd grab the aggressor by the nape of her neck, tell her to "drop it," then yell at the victim "Quiet....stop...." to keep him from moving or barking. That was to stop the movement and growling...then I'd repeatedly tell the aggressor to "drop it" until she did. They were both trained for word cues, and small enough for me to grab. If they had been pits, all three of us would be dead.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)the fact is that a lot of dogs will attack. And a lot of pitties are as sweet as can be. so tired of this narrative in the media.
If a dog attacks, just say a dog attacked. And by the way, not all dogs who look like pitties are actually pitties. There are similar breeds and mixes, so let's just drop the "pit bulls attack" meme.
I have no skin in this game--I own cats--but I volunteer for an animal shelter and learn things.
cab67
(3,640 posts)in mass shootings. The AR-15 isn’t necessarily dangerous, but it’s overrepresented in such incidents. And, people are curious.
Runningdawg
(4,660 posts)2 are ours. ONE out of the nine is not socially acceptable. Neither is his owner for that matter, which I suspect is the cause. The other 8 regularly get together in one yard or another to play, with all owners present for supervision. We are all glad for the company because we are aware of how the general public views them.
We recently had a change in our mail delivery person. The old one told the new one our dogs were "sweethearts". It makes a momma proud!