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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 05:05 PM Dec 2017

ANA flight's mid-air U-turn could result in criminal charges

Source: ABC News

The FBI is weighing criminal charges against two brothers who got on a Tokyo-bound flight together in Los Angeles allegedly using a single boarding pass, forcing the plane to turn around mid-flight.

Law enforcement sources with knowledge of the situation told ABC News that two brothers went through security at Los Angeles International Airport on Tuesday with legitimate tickets, but were booked on separate flights to Tokyo. One had a ticket on an All Nippon Airways flight and the other was booked on a United Airlines plane.

The brothers, who have nearly identical names, were able to board the ANA flight together by apparently using a duplicate boarding pass, the sources said. It's unclear how the brother with a United Airlines ticket found a seat on the plane. Their identities have not been revealed, other than being male American citizens.

The flight crew didn't become aware of the situation until roughly four hours into the flight. The airline then decided to turn around mid-air and head back to Los Angeles.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/ana-flights-mid-air-turn-result-criminal-charges/story?id=52024185

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ANA flight's mid-air U-turn could result in criminal charges (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2017 OP
Wonder if this one incident will result in our having to show our ID with boarding pass again Justice Dec 2017 #1
Flying internationally, I always have to show my passport with my boarding pass mainer Dec 2017 #10
Last time I flew international in March I had to show my passport and boarding pass to get on plane kimbutgar Dec 2017 #31
Not necessarily. You must show a passport to GET the boarding card demopilot Dec 2017 #33
In Frankfurt I had to show both when I boarded in March kimbutgar Dec 2017 #34
Sure, it's up to the local authorities. I think Frankfurt is very cautious demopilot Dec 2017 #35
Makes no sense if the boarding pass was scanned. truthisfreedom Dec 2017 #2
Yes, how did they pull this off? nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #3
Whenever I fly to and from Korea they require I show my passport rpannier Dec 2017 #4
I realize there are 'procedures', but that pilot was a dumb shit demopilot Dec 2017 #5
No metalbot Dec 2017 #7
Sorry. I don't buy that. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #16
Not if he had a passport and a visa, which he probably did. demopilot Dec 2017 #18
The pilot? Do pilots check the manifest? Or take someone's word for things being in order? mpcamb Dec 2017 #8
I am sure the decision was made from above the pilot level. Scruffy1 Dec 2017 #14
Every pilot on every airline has absolute ultimate authority. demopilot Dec 2017 #19
But not until the doors close RainCaster Dec 2017 #30
I'm fairly confident the doors were closed demopilot Dec 2017 #32
Ya know considering how much of a pain in the ass NCDem777 Dec 2017 #6
Like in the movie "Airplane" YEAH! demopilot Dec 2017 #21
... RKP5637 Dec 2017 #27
SKY LAW! Salviati Dec 2017 #29
Just wait until George Foreman's sons try to fly to Japan... Rollo Dec 2017 #9
Rofl. miyazaki Dec 2017 #12
I don't see how this is a criminal thing mainer Dec 2017 #11
Why didn't the pilot take the third alternative. Cold War Spook Dec 2017 #13
Let the passenger off where? Retrograde Dec 2017 #15
I was thinking about 35,000 feet. Cold War Spook Dec 2017 #17
Westbound flights have even thousands of altitude demopilot Dec 2017 #20
Thank you Cold War Spook Dec 2017 #24
There is a military strip on one of the Aleutian Islands that miyazaki Dec 2017 #22
The Air Force still has a landing strip on Shemya. Cold War Spook Dec 2017 #25
You can't just throw a passenger out of a plane at 34,000 feet jmowreader Dec 2017 #23
Finding a seat is the big mystery here. Also, what alerted the attendants? Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #26
Finding a seat is easy if its not full. Even if it is, theres always the bathroom unblock Dec 2017 #28

Justice

(7,245 posts)
1. Wonder if this one incident will result in our having to show our ID with boarding pass again
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 05:13 PM
Dec 2017

I can see how it happened, given that boarding passes are printed on regular paper, but would think the basics of security would flag
a boarding pass code being used twice.

mainer

(12,501 posts)
10. Flying internationally, I always have to show my passport with my boarding pass
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 09:14 AM
Dec 2017

So this should have happened.

kimbutgar

(26,812 posts)
31. Last time I flew international in March I had to show my passport and boarding pass to get on plane
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 04:30 PM
Dec 2017

I think someone at Ana messed up.

 

demopilot

(50 posts)
33. Not necessarily. You must show a passport to GET the boarding card
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 07:14 PM
Dec 2017

but not again normally once you're in the gate area.

 

demopilot

(50 posts)
35. Sure, it's up to the local authorities. I think Frankfurt is very cautious
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 04:32 PM
Dec 2017

for good reason. One time a while back they actually KEPT every passenger's passports
when they checked in and took them all onto the plane right before closing the doors then
returned them while we taxied out. I think it was Caracas. They even did this to the crew.
Very odd.

truthisfreedom

(23,516 posts)
2. Makes no sense if the boarding pass was scanned.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 05:18 PM
Dec 2017

It should have become instantly invalid like a concert ticket.

rpannier

(24,848 posts)
4. Whenever I fly to and from Korea they require I show my passport
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 05:56 PM
Dec 2017

They check the boarding pass and passport
Granted, it's Chicago to Incheon and on Korean Air, but still...

 

demopilot

(50 posts)
5. I realize there are 'procedures', but that pilot was a dumb shit
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 07:32 PM
Dec 2017

he, being the ultimate and absolute authority over his aircraft, should have continued on
to Japan and let the local authorities sort out what was very obviously a confusing but no
way threatening situation.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
7. No
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:15 PM
Dec 2017

The pilot did exactly the correct thing.

Had he proceeded, the airline would have been subject to enormous liability under Japanese law for having landed a passenger who was not on their manifest. This isn't a "let the local authorities sort it out" any more than a truck driver caught smuggling drugs into the US is.

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
16. Sorry. I don't buy that.
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 04:08 PM
Dec 2017

8 hours of wasted jet fuel (not to mention hundreds(?) of people's time) is not an appropriate response to a stow-away.

There are local police/homeland security/TSA agents in every major country. Alert them to the problem. Have them take the idiots into custody upon landing and hold them temporarily until the plane is serviced, refueled, and ready to head back to the US. March them back on the plane, and send them back to the US.

 

demopilot

(50 posts)
18. Not if he had a passport and a visa, which he probably did.
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 07:33 PM
Dec 2017

A truck driver who -unknowningly- brought drugs into the US wouldn't be prosecuted.

mpcamb

(3,180 posts)
8. The pilot? Do pilots check the manifest? Or take someone's word for things being in order?
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:55 PM
Dec 2017

I agree, Keep going, Most of the people payed legitimately and deserve to get where they're going as expected. Legally and every other way kick ass on the perps, but why penalize the hundred(s) of innocents?

Scruffy1

(3,502 posts)
14. I am sure the decision was made from above the pilot level.
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:49 PM
Dec 2017

Or at least he checked in with the company before turning around to CYA.

 

demopilot

(50 posts)
19. Every pilot on every airline has absolute ultimate authority.
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 07:35 PM
Dec 2017

That has always been the case. I suppose some would like to change it, I do not.

RainCaster

(13,385 posts)
30. But not until the doors close
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 04:22 PM
Dec 2017

That is the law. Same for ships - the captain of a ship is not in charge until the pilot has left the helm.

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
6. Ya know considering how much of a pain in the ass
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 07:48 PM
Dec 2017

flying is, I think it should be legal for passengers to lay out other passengers who do stupid shit like this. Everybody aboard gets a free shot.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
9. Just wait until George Foreman's sons try to fly to Japan...
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:37 AM
Dec 2017

They are ALL named George Foreman... LOL...

mainer

(12,501 posts)
11. I don't see how this is a criminal thing
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 09:15 AM
Dec 2017

Also, from what I read in an earlier story, it was one of the brothers who brought up the issue during the flight.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
13. Why didn't the pilot take the third alternative.
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:01 PM
Dec 2017

Number 1, turn around. Number 2, continue with the extra passenger. Number 3, let the passenger off.

Retrograde

(11,375 posts)
15. Let the passenger off where?
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 03:57 PM
Dec 2017

There aren't a lot of places to land on a direct LA-Tokyo route without going a good deal out of the way. I suppose they could have given the guy a life vest and told him to swim back....

I was on a flight to Hawai'i once that turned back due to a medical emergency on board. We were only about 90 minutes out from SFO, but it was still a big deal for the airline, who after landing had to deal with a planeful of passengers who still needed to get where they were going, not to mention all the other delayed takeoffs and landings, since the emergency landing of our flight essentially grounded everyone else. Then the plane had to be refueled, and a new flight crew found as the original crew went over their time limit, but I'll give United credit for getting us to the original destination that same day - barely.

What I'd be interested in knowing is why didn't the flight attendants notice that their headcounts were off, and how did the guy managed to find an empty seat? I haven't been on a less than full airplane in over a decade!

miyazaki

(2,595 posts)
22. There is a military strip on one of the Aleutian Islands that
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 08:14 PM
Dec 2017

occasional Pacific flights use when in distress.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
25. The Air Force still has a landing strip on Shemya.
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 03:31 PM
Dec 2017

I don't know if the Army Security Agency (old name) still has a listening station there.

jmowreader

(52,903 posts)
23. You can't just throw a passenger out of a plane at 34,000 feet
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 10:55 PM
Dec 2017

Airliners use a wedge-shaped plug door. When the plane gets up to altitude, the door just jams itself shut.

This may only be me, but if I was running ANA flight ops that day I would have given serious thought to diverting the plane to Honolulu. HNL is definitely out of route if you're flying LAX-NRT, but they could have handed the two brothers over to TSA in Hawaii, bought the honest passengers lunch and refueled...most people would be okay with that, as long as they landed in Tokyo the same day so they didn't have to screw with their hotel reservations.

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