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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:29 AM Mar 2018

Florida state senator: Only thoughts and prayers will stop evil behind shootings

Source: MSN/The Hill

A Florida state senator said the only thing that is going to stop "the evil" behind mass shootings is to send "thoughts and prayers."

During a debate on a proposed assault weapons ban in the Florida legislature on Saturday, state Sen. Kelli Stargel (R) said she finds it offensive when people tell her that the kind words are not enough to stop mass shootings.

"When we say 'thoughts and prayers,' it's frowned upon. And I take real offense at that because thoughts and prayers are really the only thing that's gonna stop the evil from within the individual who is taking up their arms to do this kind of a massacre."

It's not the weapon that matters, Stargel said, but rather "the evil from within" that causes people to commit heinous crimes.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-state-senator-only-%E2%80%98thoughts-and-prayers%E2%80%99-will-stop-evil-behind-shootings/ar-BBJRFvn?li=BBnbfcL

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Florida state senator: Only thoughts and prayers will stop evil behind shootings (Original Post) TomCADem Mar 2018 OP
the evil DonCoquixote Mar 2018 #1
And with the possible exception of France DBoon Mar 2018 #5
the evil azureblue Mar 2018 #11
The evil is the NRApublican Party (and #NRAROUBLES) lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #43
Seems like she's purposely missing the point. PatrickforO Mar 2018 #2
I don't pray myself, but I always thought people sent "thoughts and prayers" to help the survivors More_Cowbell Mar 2018 #20
"Thoughts and prayers" means you don't have to change a damned thing. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2018 #3
Reminds me of this. forgotmylogin Mar 2018 #14
delusional, sanctimonious gun humper Skittles Mar 2018 #4
shit in one hand and pray in the other... Javaman Mar 2018 #6
I don't believe anyone has ever seen bullets bounce off of thoughts and prayers. democratisphere Mar 2018 #7
Wonder how much gunners paid him to say that junk? Hoyt Mar 2018 #8
it is a woman Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #18
Well, it was thoughts and prayers that defeated the Nazis in WWII dalton99a Mar 2018 #9
Well if the Senator ever finds herself at the business end of a gun, I hope the nearest officer Still In Wisconsin Mar 2018 #10
Why do so many Republicans live in a magical world of fantasy and fairytale? Kablooie Mar 2018 #12
Because thoughts and prayers are so much better... jmowreader Mar 2018 #15
"I'm sending them a rabbit's foot, knocking on wood, and keeping my fingers crossed." NBachers Mar 2018 #13
What do we need the police for then?? Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #16
I think we should consider encouraging people in her district TlalocW Mar 2018 #17
I've had it out with several people on Thoughts and Prayers being worthless TlalocW Mar 2018 #19
I will continue to send donations to Freedom From Religion Foundation BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #21
The only thing that will save a river from human pollution is thoughts and prayers KWR65 Mar 2018 #22
Let us know how that works out for ya. truthisfreedom Mar 2018 #23
My thoughts... longship Mar 2018 #24
How's that been working for the victims? Solly Mack Mar 2018 #25
Oh for Pete's Sake. Well, MY "thoughts and prayers" are for her to be VOTED OUT!!! calimary Mar 2018 #26
How much has she received from the Russia-backed NRA? BadgerMom Mar 2018 #27
Thoughts and prayers are safe, easy, cheap, and require no real work... Beartracks Mar 2018 #28
Her job is to fix problems, pazzyanne Mar 2018 #29
It works!!!11!! PSPS Mar 2018 #30
Ha ha LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #32
That Congress Person made a mockery out of True Blue American Mar 2018 #31
Columbine was 19 years ago. Sandy Hook was 6 years ago. meadowlander Mar 2018 #33
though and prayers weissmam Mar 2018 #34
I send thoughts and prayers that she loses her next election. Vinca Mar 2018 #35
Brainless bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #36
Hey, Kelli. All Prayers Are Answered ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #37
When it is someone's JOB to create laws, if they say "prayer" logosoco Mar 2018 #38
Senator, you're supposed to READ the Bible--not SMOKE it! lastlib Mar 2018 #39
If thoughts and prayers against evil Maxheader Mar 2018 #40
I am a cancer survivor, I have been the recipient of thoughts and prayers. TNNurse Mar 2018 #41
What will stop the evil in our legislators? n/t malthaussen Mar 2018 #42

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
1. the evil
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:31 AM
Mar 2018

does not seem to show in japan, or France, or India, Or China, where the video games and movies are every bit as bad as the stuff here..

DBoon

(22,363 posts)
5. And with the possible exception of France
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:50 AM
Mar 2018

None of those countries are Christian. If there are thoughts and prayers, they are not addressed to the Christian god.

PatrickforO

(14,572 posts)
2. Seems like she's purposely missing the point.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:41 AM
Mar 2018

I don't frown on someone sending 'thoughts and prayers' to victims of a tragedy.

What I frown on is if that is ALL they do.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
20. I don't pray myself, but I always thought people sent "thoughts and prayers" to help the survivors
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:39 AM
Mar 2018

They don't STOP anything. Why would it help to pray to a God who, presumably, could already have stopped things?

3. "Thoughts and prayers" means you don't have to change a damned thing.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:42 AM
Mar 2018

God forbid any member of the GOP/NRA do anything that would actually make a difference.

forgotmylogin

(7,528 posts)
14. Reminds me of this.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:12 AM
Mar 2018
http://epistle.us/inspiration/godwillsaveme.html

A terrible storm came into a town and local officials sent out an emergency warning that the riverbanks would soon overflow and flood the nearby homes. They ordered everyone in the town to evacuate immediately.

A faithful Christian man heard the warning and decided to stay, saying to himself, “I will trust God and if I am in danger, then God will send a divine miracle to save me.”

The neighbors came by his house and said to him, “We’re leaving and there is room for you in our car, please come with us!” But the man declined. “I have faith that God will save me.”

As the man stood on his porch watching the water rise up the steps, a man in a canoe paddled by and called to him, “Hurry and come into my canoe, the waters are rising quickly!” But the man again said, “No thanks, God will save me.”

The floodwaters rose higher pouring water into his living room and the man had to retreat to the second floor. A police motorboat came by and saw him at the window. “We will come up and rescue you!” they shouted. But the man refused, waving them off saying, “Use your time to save someone else! I have faith that God will save me!”

The flood waters rose higher and higher and the man had to climb up to his rooftop.

A helicopter spotted him and dropped a rope ladder. A rescue officer came down the ladder and pleaded with the man, "Grab my hand and I will pull you up!" But the man STILL refused, folding his arms tightly to his body. “No thank you! God will save me!”

Shortly after, the house broke up and the floodwaters swept the man away and he drowned.

When in Heaven, the man stood before God and asked, “I put all of my faith in You. Why didn’t You come and save me?”

And God said, “Son, I sent you a warning. I sent you a car. I sent you a canoe. I sent you a motorboat. I sent you a helicopter. What more were you looking for?”
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
10. Well if the Senator ever finds herself at the business end of a gun, I hope the nearest officer
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:10 AM
Mar 2018

sends her some "thoughts and prayers."

Kablooie

(18,632 posts)
12. Why do so many Republicans live in a magical world of fantasy and fairytale?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:12 AM
Mar 2018

And then they deride Harry Potter as summoning Satan.

Sheesh.

TlalocW

(15,381 posts)
17. I think we should consider encouraging people in her district
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:32 AM
Mar 2018

To send her thoughts and prayers instead of contributing to/working for/voting for her and see how powerful she thinks they are then.

TlalocW

TlalocW

(15,381 posts)
19. I've had it out with several people on Thoughts and Prayers being worthless
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:35 AM
Mar 2018

I recently pissed them off by telling them about a side business I'm going to start where 10% of the proceeds (to start with) will be going to charities. I said that I was naming it, "Thoughts and Prayers, Ltd." so that something real, tangible, and useful could finally be gotten from Thoughts and Prayers.

They didn't like that (and it won't be my actual business name).

TlalocW

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
21. I will continue to send donations to Freedom From Religion Foundation
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:43 AM
Mar 2018

thank you very much. And to my Dem reps for reelection...as well as #ENOUGH.
https://secure.ffrf.org/np/clients/ffrf/survey.jsp?surveyId=6&

Here is info on the events planned for the next two months in the US and internationally including the Walkout #Enough March 14th and March for our Lives rallies March 24th.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10112243

Enough Prayers. It's Time to Vote.
If you are sick and tired of the endless mass shootings that haven been happening in our country, there actually is something you can do about it. The reason that no gun laws change despite literally hundreds of school shootings, is that the NRA is lining the pockets of many of our representatives. If we want to see gun laws change, we must vote them out of office.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html

If you are repped by one of the GOP Senators or Congresspeople on this list, contact them today to tell them you will vote them out of office if they continue to take campaign donations or support of any kind from the NRA. And in the next election, do just that. You can also contact your reps to demand action against gun violence.
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longship

(40,416 posts)
24. My thoughts...
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:00 AM
Mar 2018

That she eats shit!

I pray that she hates every single mouthful but has to keep shoveling it down. Forever.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
26. Oh for Pete's Sake. Well, MY "thoughts and prayers" are for her to be VOTED OUT!!!
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:38 AM
Mar 2018

So THERE, Ms. Stargel. Howdya like THOSE "thoughts and prayers"?

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
28. Thoughts and prayers are safe, easy, cheap, and require no real work...
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:57 AM
Mar 2018

... follow-through, or commitment. Like bumper stickers, yellow ribbons, and flag pins.

Just a way to say you're doing something while doing nothing.

=====

pazzyanne

(6,551 posts)
29. Her job is to fix problems,
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 03:12 AM
Mar 2018

not just send thoughts and prayers. How can she face herself in the mirror each morning when our kids are living in terror?

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
31. That Congress Person made a mockery out of
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 04:22 AM
Mar 2018

What she calls Religion..

If she claims Religion she waould also know that Prayers with Out works is empty. They use Religion as a bludgeon.

Pathetic that people like her exist.

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
33. Columbine was 19 years ago. Sandy Hook was 6 years ago.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 04:43 AM
Mar 2018

There have been more than 65+ mass shootings since Columbine and 30+ since Sandy Hook.

If "thoughts and prayers" worked then why are hundreds of kids dead?

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
38. When it is someone's JOB to create laws, if they say "prayer"
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:53 AM
Mar 2018

is the only solution (or even if they say "prayer" in most contexts), they should automatically lose that job and it can go to the next person.

lastlib

(23,224 posts)
39. Senator, you're supposed to READ the Bible--not SMOKE it!
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:58 AM
Mar 2018

the synapses are not firing properly in this one.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
41. I am a cancer survivor, I have been the recipient of thoughts and prayers.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:40 AM
Mar 2018

They do help, they comfort you. However, surgery, chemo and radiation cured my cancer, I do not think most of those idiots offering thoughts and prayers about guns would turn down the options that actually help them survive something like cancer.

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