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demmiblue

(36,845 posts)
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 03:57 PM Mar 2018

Kobach Using Spreadsheet Showing Five Non-Citizen Voters

Source: Talking Points Memo

A spreadsheet created by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach’s office became a focal point in the trial over Kansas’ voter registration proof-of-citizenship requirement. The spreadsheet shows that only five alleged non-citizens have voted in Sedgwick County, the second most populous Kansas county, over the last two decades.

Those alleged non-citizen voters cast collectively about 10-12 votes, the earliest in 2004, testimony revealed. According to the challengers in the case, that’s out of 1.3 million votes cast in the relevant time period in the county. Sedgwick County accounts for a little over one sixth of Kansas’ population.

Yet Kobach is using those examples to defend his proof-of-citizenship requirement, which was implemented in 2013. An appeals court has said Kobach must prove that non-citizen voting is a “substantial” problem in Kansas. So the spreadsheet — along with testimony expected in the days to come from “experts” in voter fraud — is key to Kobach’s argument.

The ACLU, which is representing some of the challengers, sought to show that the list was inflated.

Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/kobach-spreadsheet-voter-non-citizens-spreadsheet

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weissmam

(905 posts)
2. he is kidding right
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 04:06 PM
Mar 2018

10-12 out of 1.3 million , they will laugh him out of court , does anyone know what statistically that means , its not just almost insignificant its insignificant

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
7. All He Has To Prove. . .
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 04:27 PM
Mar 2018

. . .is that any of those elections (remember, this is since 2004, so 6 elections) would have been swung with about 2 votes in the entire county.

Somehow i don't think he's going to be forthcoming about that.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. If it costs 100,000 legitimate voters to prevent 1 fraudulent voter,
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:36 PM
Mar 2018

is that remotely justifiable on any planet?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Kobach and his team of courtroom clowns have been making folks and the judge laugh at
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 04:11 PM
Mar 2018

their complete and collective ignorance of courtroom procedure and rules of evidence as they line up their trainwreck of unqualified witnesses and Fox News regulars.

Then there was this yesterday, probably left by the judge:

"After lunch on Wednesday, a printed stack of papers labeled “Federal Rules of Evidence” sat on Kobach’s table."

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
6. For every illegal vote they prevent they disenfranchise tens of thousands
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 04:27 PM
Mar 2018

of eligible voters. And that is the real goal.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
10. They would rather block thousands of legitimate voters
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 05:09 PM
Mar 2018

than allow even one illegal vote. One is too many for these assholes who benefit when fewer voters vote.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
12. One guy tried to use a shoe bomb
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 05:35 PM
Mar 2018

now we all take off our shoes every time we fly. apparently, the odds and the facts are irrelevant.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. At least in the shoe bomber case, big possible consequences might justify extreme response.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:39 PM
Mar 2018

i.e. one slip-up could cost hundreds of lives.

No such argument can be made for letting one fraudulent vote through. It's just utterly irrational.

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