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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:40 PM Mar 2018

McCain: Trump's CIA pick was involved in 'one of the darkest chapters in American history'

Source: The Hill



BY MORGAN GSTALTER - 03/13/18 03:15 PM EDT

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Tuesday condemned President Trump’s decision to nominate Gina Haspel to become the director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), saying she was involved in “one of darkest chapters in American history.”

While he expressed confidence in current CIA Director Mike Pompeo’s ability to serve as secretary of State, an appointment Trump announced earlier Tuesday, McCain said in a statement that Haspel needs to explain her stance on torture.

“The torture of detainees in U.S. custody during the last decade was one of the darkest chapters in American history,” McCain said. “Ms. Haspel needs to explain the nature and extent of her involvement in the CIA’s interrogation program during the confirmation process.”

Following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the Bush administration “squandered precious moral authority” to get intelligence, McCain said.




Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/378183-mccain-trumps-cia-pick-was-involved-in-one-of-the-darkest

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McCain: Trump's CIA pick was involved in 'one of the darkest chapters in American history' (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2018 OP
Doesn't matter. He will vote for her confirmation. nt DURHAM D Mar 2018 #1
Exactly my first thought. Blah, blah, blah, maverick, blah, blah, blah.... and in the end? deurbano Mar 2018 #2
I actually don't think he will Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #4
I hope you're right. Hard to be optimistic given his own history and party. deurbano Mar 2018 #7
Yeah... basically fingers crossed. I'm also hoping our folks keep a unified front against her Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #10
you may be right about that.. I hope so. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #12
Exactly Solly Mack Mar 2018 #3
You're right!! dicksmc3 Mar 2018 #13
I don't think we'll be seeing him back in Washington. nt DesertRat Mar 2018 #15
The American Civil Liberties Union said Haspel was up to her eyeballs in torture, ... riversedge Mar 2018 #5
No wonder Trump likes Putin (former head of KGB) harun Mar 2018 #6
Actually, Fake 45 loves creating misery for any group of people, especially the most vulnerable. Doitnow Mar 2018 #24
McCain makes correct decisions and says the correct thing pangaia Mar 2018 #8
But but she's a WOMAN! underpants Mar 2018 #9
In every group of people there are good and bad. She is not good enough to be in charge of the CIA. The Wielding Truth Mar 2018 #16
Right!!! SkyDaddy7 Mar 2018 #28
Mccain says stuff all the time and when the time comes...becomes trump's tool again beachbum bob Mar 2018 #11
He's too sick to travel FakeNoose Mar 2018 #18
Meanwhile, his daughter Meghan will be defending her on tv DesertRat Mar 2018 #14
word of the street is,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2018 #17
McCain also was involved zentrum Mar 2018 #19
I will never forgive him for inflicting... 3catwoman3 Mar 2018 #26
Yup. Now that zentrum Mar 2018 #29
when a warmonger's warmonger says you're too blood-thirsty.... yurbud Mar 2018 #20
McCain's position on torture is an honorable one democrank Mar 2018 #21
And thats why you will vote to approve Senator AllyCat Mar 2018 #22
Disagree with the man's politics, NoMoreRepugs Mar 2018 #23
Think the Senate will confirm her? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2018 #25
Senator Chuck Schumer has yet to publicly call on Democrats to oppose Haspel or Pompeo. mpcamb Mar 2018 #30
the moron thinks torture is good. dignity is for suckers. pansypoo53219 Mar 2018 #27
What does she know? duforsure Mar 2018 #31
Here is the applicable law: Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2018 #32
The United States is also bound by an international treaty Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2018 #33

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
2. Exactly my first thought. Blah, blah, blah, maverick, blah, blah, blah.... and in the end?
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:44 PM
Mar 2018

Just another collaborator.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
4. I actually don't think he will
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:46 PM
Mar 2018

He knows he doesn't have long left and his tone in the past implies he will have a backbone. I'm guess I'm hoping at least...

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
13. You're right!!
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:12 PM
Mar 2018

McShame is nothing more than a lifeless republicon who is nearing his time on earth. So, he can go ahead and make statements like this to gain some respect from us that hate his ass!! He will do nothing during the confirmation process if he is on the panel.. SAD!!

riversedge

(70,182 posts)
5. The American Civil Liberties Union said Haspel was up to her eyeballs in torture, ...
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:47 PM
Mar 2018

We know Trump has a deep mean streak. Not surprised at all with this pick.



The American Civil Liberties Union said Haspel was “up to her eyeballs in torture, both in running a secret torture prison in Thailand and carrying out an order to cover up torture crimes by destroying videotapes.”

Progressive foreign policy groups are fighting back against her nomination, saying her direct role in the torture program should “disqualify her” from the position.

Pompeo committed himself to enforcing federal law on interrogation techniques during his confirmation hearing last year to become CIA director.

“Any nominee for Director of the CIA must pledge without reservation to uphold this prohibition, which has helped us regain our position of leadership in the struggle for universal human rights,” McCain said Tuesday.....................

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
8. McCain makes correct decisions and says the correct thing
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 03:59 PM
Mar 2018

ONLY when the issue is something that directly touches his own personal life experience.

underpants

(182,736 posts)
9. But but she's a WOMAN!
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:02 PM
Mar 2018

I've already seen the memes on Facebook. "Woman hating Trump nominates a woman!!!"

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
28. Right!!!
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:02 AM
Mar 2018

And McCain had no issue with Pompeo nearly blowing a heart valve when he talks about how big a mistake President Obama made by ending the practice of using dark prisons to shuttle captives to & from while they’re being being tortured. And Pompeo’s objection to President Obama doing away with the use of torture.

...Obviously you have nailed it!!

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
11. Mccain says stuff all the time and when the time comes...becomes trump's tool again
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:03 PM
Mar 2018

really dont care.

FakeNoose

(32,617 posts)
18. He's too sick to travel
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 05:10 PM
Mar 2018

I don't know if Senators are allowed to vote long distance.

We have the technology to do it, but I don't know if his vote would be counted. If that's the case then McCain won't be voting on this at all. I think he's having a change of heart as far as the Republican Party goes, but I could be wrong.

The guy is dying, so there's no need to pick on him.


DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
14. Meanwhile, his daughter Meghan will be defending her on tv
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:23 PM
Mar 2018

While bashing the Clintons and Pres. Obama, just like she does everyday on The View.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
17. word of the street is,,,,
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:55 PM
Mar 2018

no only was she involved in toruture,,,,,,, she enjoyed it ! She's got those batshit crazy eyes.......

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
19. McCain also was involved
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 05:11 PM
Mar 2018

….in an appointment that was a dark hour in our country and also squandered moral authority: the appointment of Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Which McCain did to cynically pander to his base.

Obama has said that Palin set the stage for a candidate like Trump.

McCain didn't give a rat's ass for the welfare of the country in that decision.

3catwoman3

(23,968 posts)
26. I will never forgive him for inflicting...
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 11:49 PM
Mar 2018

...that harpy on this country. Never! Her presence on the national stage has definitely made a major contribution to the coarsening of public behavior.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
29. Yup. Now that
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:28 PM
Mar 2018

…he's on his way out of power, he's starting to tell the truth.

I feel nothing but contempt for this man who deep in his heart knows better.

democrank

(11,092 posts)
21. McCain's position on torture is an honorable one
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 06:30 PM
Mar 2018

and his concern about the choice of Gina Haspel for CIA director is worth noting. I thank Senator McCain for speaking out on this important matter and for his sacrifice for this country.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,863 posts)
25. Think the Senate will confirm her?
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 10:39 PM
Mar 2018

If they do it'll probably be because of Mike Pence casting the tie breaking vote.

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
30. Senator Chuck Schumer has yet to publicly call on Democrats to oppose Haspel or Pompeo.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:08 PM
Mar 2018

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer has yet to publicly call on his fellow Democrats to oppose either Haspel or Pompeo.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/14/rand-paul-opposes-trump-picks-for-secretary-of-state-cia-director.html?recirc=taboolainternal

We need to get it together and keep these poisonous people out of public positions.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
31. What does she know?
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:48 AM
Mar 2018

Does she know of any mercenaries being used for the Saudi Prince paid by us to round up his opposition and torture them ? They should find out. That may be why she was picked if they are.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
32. Here is the applicable law:
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:29 AM
Mar 2018

18 U.S. Code § 2340 - Definitions

(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;

(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—

(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;

(C) the threat of imminent death; or

(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and

(3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.

18 U.S. Code § 2340A - Torture

(a)Offense.—

Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

(b)Jurisdiction.—There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if—

(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or

(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.

(c)Conspiracy.—

A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.


Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
33. The United States is also bound by an international treaty
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:34 AM
Mar 2018

The Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

It's a bit too long to post here, so read it at http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CAT.aspx

It is clear that Ms Haspel is guilty of violating both US law and international treaty. Not that that will bother The Donald.

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