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BumRushDaShow

(128,944 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:27 PM Mar 2018

Supreme Court refuses to stop new congressional maps in Pennsylvania

Source: Washington Post

The Supreme Court on Monday turned down a request from Pennsylvania Republican legislative leaders to block the implementation of a redrawn congressional map that creates more parity between the political parties in the state.

It was the second time that the court declined to get involved in the partisan battle that has roiled Pennsylvania politics. The commonwealths highest court earlier this year ruled that a map drawn by the Republicans leaders in 2011 clearly, plainly and palpably violated the Free and Equal Elections Clause of the Pennsylvania constitution.

The U.S. Supreme Court deliberated nearly two weeks before turning down the request to stop the map from being used in this falls elections. Generally the justices stay out of the way when a states highest court is interpreting its own state constitution.

The practical impact is the 2018 elections are likely to be held under a map much more favorable to Democrats, who scored a surprising victory last week in a special election. The 2011 map that has been used this decade has resulted in Republicans consistently winning 13 of the states 18 congressional seats.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-refuses-to-stop-new-congressional-maps-in-pennsylvania/2018/03/19/128d9656-215e-11e8-badd-7c9f29a55815_story.html





Edit to add this was the 2nd ruling today. A separate GOP case was just thrown out by a 3-judge panel of federal judges too.
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Supreme Court refuses to stop new congressional maps in Pennsylvania (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 OP
Best news all day. marylandblue Mar 2018 #1
And it was unanimous SCantiGOP Mar 2018 #25
We don't know that. sl8 Mar 2018 #44
True, but SCantiGOP Mar 2018 #53
Yep! Maybe the Philly suburbs stand a fair chance now. BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #43
Bet Gorsuch and Alito are pissed!! lark Mar 2018 #2
I hope those two are sitting somewhere stewing about it IronLionZion Mar 2018 #7
Alito threw out the first challenge in February. Fred Sanders Mar 2018 #11
That's funny. SergeStorms Mar 2018 #45
Breaking: Supreme Court, With No Noted Dissent, Refuses to Intervene in Pa Redistricting Case... DonViejo Mar 2018 #20
I saw that after I made my post, sorry. lark Mar 2018 #31
You don't have to apologize! I'm as surprised as you one of the wingnut Supremes didn't try and DonViejo Mar 2018 #34
Also on Alito rpannier Mar 2018 #35
Thank you all for your analyses and opinions. While IANAL (but am somewhat anal) erronis Mar 2018 #63
Excellent! SunSeeker Mar 2018 #3
Is there another ruling they can be smacked with? durablend Mar 2018 #4
Nah, they're done. This was their last best hope. BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #12
Nope. bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #15
Yes!!!! Freddie Mar 2018 #5
Yes PLEASE BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #13
Excellent! cyndensco Mar 2018 #6
This is excellent! herding cats Mar 2018 #8
The repubs will probably appeal this to Putin. old guy Mar 2018 #9
Only thing we have going for us BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #14
"But Mommy!" MyOwnPeace Mar 2018 #33
K&R sheshe2 Mar 2018 #10
Thank G-D for the judiciary branch! Mad_Mongol Mar 2018 #16
In related news.... Adrahil Mar 2018 #17
Twitters election experts are saying Dems could gain 3-6+ seats from PA alone in a blue tsunami. LonePirate Mar 2018 #18
I think a min of 2 BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #19
"It's NOT FAIR that our unfair congressional map louis-t Mar 2018 #21
This is a win for everyone, not just Pennsylvania FakeNoose Mar 2018 #32
Supreme Court, With No Noted Dissent, Refuses to Intervene in Pa Redistricting Case Gothmog Mar 2018 #22
Finally - it's settled. Whew! This PA-er is doing cartwheels. Marie Marie Mar 2018 #23
Don't hurt yourself BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #26
I should have added - in my head. Never could do one of those for real. Marie Marie Mar 2018 #27
Just make sure when you do that BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #29
Oh, hell!!!!! MyOwnPeace Mar 2018 #38
!!!! BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #39
Don't need anymore cheating Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #24
Alright!!!!!!!!! Butterflylady Mar 2018 #28
Did Sherrod Brown True Blue American Mar 2018 #50
The now "old" 18th was on the PA/WV border BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #52
Thanks. True Blue American Mar 2018 #55
Yay!!!!!!! Woo hooooooo!!!!!!! Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #30
This increases the odds of us taking back the House Dopers_Greed Mar 2018 #36
Great news! meow2u3 Mar 2018 #37
If you do be sure and let us know! True Blue American Mar 2018 #49
So now, more than ever................. MyOwnPeace Mar 2018 #40
What might help with turnout here in PA BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #42
This is victory for democracy! Equinox Moon Mar 2018 #41
About time there is some justice for PA voters. riversedge Mar 2018 #46
FINALLY GREAT NEWS!!! bluestarone Mar 2018 #47
States Rights True Blue American Mar 2018 #48
The GOP admits defeat Gothmog Mar 2018 #51
Turzai: "by adding new requirements for drawing congressional districts". BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #54
He does not have True Blue American Mar 2018 #56
I can still smile at this admission of defeat Gothmog Mar 2018 #57
Turdguy is madder than a hornet Orange Free State Mar 2018 #58
Suck it GOPers Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2018 #59
the Cheating pubs must be Cha Mar 2018 #60
Hey Cha! BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #61
These spawn of Satan aren't done yet... Hulk Mar 2018 #62
You're right... durablend Mar 2018 #64

sl8

(13,767 posts)
44. We don't know that.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 06:04 PM
Mar 2018

All we know is that 5 or more justices didn't agree to grant a stay.

Justices that were inclined to grant a stay, if any, aren't obligated to publicly dissent.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
53. True, but
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:09 PM
Mar 2018

They generally do comment if they have a strong disagreement on a substantial issue. The fact that none commented indicates that there was not strong opposition.

IronLionZion

(45,438 posts)
7. I hope those two are sitting somewhere stewing about it
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:37 PM
Mar 2018

along with Trump and other GOP leaders. They know they're going to lose the house this year.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
11. Alito threw out the first challenge in February.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:42 PM
Mar 2018

"Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. turned down the state’s first request on Feb. 5, after the state supreme court ordered a new map."

Also very encouraging is that Wisconsin And Maryland have another related and even more important issue coming up:

"The U.S. Supreme Court has never thrown out a state’s redistricting plan because it has found it so infected with partisan bias that it violates voters’ constitutional rights.

But the court has on its current docket two cases--one from Wisconsin and one from Maryland--that raise the question."

Did Republicans get gerrymandering drunk and violate voter rights to equal representation, separate violations of state constitutional election district rules?

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
45. That's funny.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 06:07 PM
Mar 2018

"Did Republicans get gerrymandering drunk and violate voter rights......". I know that was a rhetorical question, but I still find it hilarious to ask if Republicans - who just found a wonderful, somewhat legal method to cheat - would push that envelope to preposterous lengths.

Sorry, in no way did I mean to laugh at you Fred. That sentence just caught me off guard as one of the most ridiculous things I ever read, and that's because they're the most dishonest, crooked asshats on the planet.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
20. Breaking: Supreme Court, With No Noted Dissent, Refuses to Intervene in Pa Redistricting Case...
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:13 PM
Mar 2018
Breaking: Supreme Court, With No Noted Dissent, Refuses to Intervene in Pa Redistricting Case Just Hours After Lower Court Rules

Posted on March 19, 2018 12:20 pm by Rick Hasen




I called this case a long shot for a long time, but the fact that there was no noted dissents is puzzling given the long delay. The claim was really a weak one and would have led to a huge number of lawsuits challenging state court cases striking down redistricting on state constitutional grounds. Here are some possibilities for the delay.

1, The Court was waiting for the lower court to rule, in case the lower court saw something worth pursing. Given that the interests were almost identical to this case, this does not make much sense, but for the timing.

2. A Justice decided to write, another Justice wrote a response, and the original Justice changed his or her mind. Who knows?

3. A Justice or more needed more time to consider the issues, and was pondering a dissent but then decided not to write.

###

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=98206

lark

(23,099 posts)
31. I saw that after I made my post, sorry.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:53 PM
Mar 2018

Glad there is some law that even the rw'ers will support. Of course, I still expect Gorsuch to vote with drumpf when/if his treason and conspiracy end up at SCOTUS.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
34. You don't have to apologize! I'm as surprised as you one of the wingnut Supremes didn't try and
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:02 PM
Mar 2018

stop the decision. I guess that respect for individual State Supreme Courts is pretty strong.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
35. Also on Alito
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:10 PM
Mar 2018

That is his territory - Pennsylvania
He refused the Republikkans the last time w/o a full court hearing
The theory put forth at the time was Wisconsin's gerry rigging was in trouble

erronis

(15,241 posts)
63. Thank you all for your analyses and opinions. While IANAL (but am somewhat anal)
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 03:20 PM
Mar 2018

I do "get" the flow of legal discussions - the thrust and the counter-parry.

On DU these seem to be very civil and direct and understandable to a layperson. I appreciate this. And IDW2BAL!

durablend

(7,460 posts)
4. Is there another ruling they can be smacked with?
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:34 PM
Mar 2018

Three in one day sounds better than two.

They're probably calling Putin right now: "Um, we have a problem komrade"

BumRushDaShow

(128,944 posts)
14. Only thing we have going for us
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:44 PM
Mar 2018

is that the equipment is old and not internet-connected. Doesn't mean it can't be fucked with but the machines can't really be "hacked from afar".

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
33. "But Mommy!"
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:01 PM
Mar 2018

Ha!

As if IQ45 would have any idea as to what to do - hell, he had to follow the arrow to know which escalator to use when he announced that he was running!

Mad_Mongol

(86 posts)
16. Thank G-D for the judiciary branch!
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:56 PM
Mar 2018

So the corruption hasn't spread throughout the root-stock as yet!

Let's send our well wishes for RBG and Justice Kennedy to remain healthy and strong.

LonePirate

(13,420 posts)
18. Twitters election experts are saying Dems could gain 3-6+ seats from PA alone in a blue tsunami.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:01 PM
Mar 2018

We need 23 for a majority.

BumRushDaShow

(128,944 posts)
19. I think a min of 2
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:11 PM
Mar 2018

PA-5 (outside of Philly) and possibly PA-17 (outside of Pittsburgh), which is where Conor will be running (which is a different configuration from the old PA-18 that he just won).

My hope is with enough GOTV, we could retake what is now PA-1 (outside of Philly, which was PA-8 and at one time had Patrick Murphy as the rep.), as it is swing, currently leaning slightly R.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
32. This is a win for everyone, not just Pennsylvania
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:59 PM
Mar 2018

Almost every state is dealing with the pernicious, evil, rightwing gerrymandering in one way or another.
Now the Pennsylvania ruling is a precedent for everyone! Time to get busy redrawing your district maps.



MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
38. Oh, hell!!!!!
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:20 PM
Mar 2018

I will do all of that - plus more!!!!!

(as I would say if I was IQ45 - the bestest of ever!)

Seriously - this is REALLY FU*KING great!!!!!!!

BumRushDaShow

(128,944 posts)
39. !!!!
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:25 PM
Mar 2018


Edit to add that it's amazing to see Alec Baldwin 30 years ago in that gif with Michael Keaton and Geena Davis and then see him now!

BumRushDaShow

(128,944 posts)
52. The now "old" 18th was on the PA/WV border
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 07:51 PM
Mar 2018
(Old 18th Congressional)


The new replacement "districts" are the 17th & 14th and also along the PA/WV border (because of how WV sneaks a spike of land that bisects the southwestern border of PA and southeastern border of OH. The new 18th is now Pittsburgh.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
36. This increases the odds of us taking back the House
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:13 PM
Mar 2018

I bet the Repugs are trying to get Putie to speed dial his hackers

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
37. Great news!
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:16 PM
Mar 2018

I now live in Pennsylvania's 7th District, where the seat is open. I'd like to run for Congress, but that'll have to wait until 2020.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
40. So now, more than ever.................
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:29 PM
Mar 2018

it MUST be all about the GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!!

We cannot DARE let the moment pass - this is about saving THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!!

GOTV!!!!!!!!!

BumRushDaShow

(128,944 posts)
42. What might help with turnout here in PA
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:40 PM
Mar 2018

(outside of the blue Tsunami) is that we have a gubernatorial race too. So that tends to up the turnout in general. But we will have to go FULL FORCE to flip some of the new seats that are now more "swing" than before.

BumRushDaShow

(128,944 posts)
54. Turzai: "by adding new requirements for drawing congressional districts".
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:10 PM
Mar 2018

BULLSHIT!

The state Constitution says (in several places) that the boundaries needed to be "compact" and "contiguous". And the mess they drew after the 2010 election, census, & redistricting was NEITHER.

PA was the laughing stock of the country with PA-7 (which is right outside of Philadelphia) -



This guy does have a challenger and it would be great if she won!


Orange Free State

(611 posts)
58. Turdguy is madder than a hornet
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:48 PM
Mar 2018

And I don’t think they know what to do besides hurl insults and lie. The Pa-18 Special was horrible at the end, the last day or two every time you clicked on a YouTube video you had to watch a negative ad that said something like “Conor Lamb runs over puppies with his lawn tractor! WE ...CANT ...TRUST ...CONOR ...LAMB! VOTE RICK SACCONE!”
Now Saccone will reportedly run in the fall in the new 14th, though he does not even live there. I wonder if he can raise enough money to run a campaign after wasting 10 to 13 million in a district he should have won easily. I hope he does, then loses again.

BumRushDaShow

(128,944 posts)
61. Hey Cha!
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 05:18 AM
Mar 2018

We are ecstatic here. The hope is we can pick up a couple seats that we SHOULD have had before the GOP skewed all the districts to maximize their chances.

Just based on state party registration (800,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans), the PA House contingent really should be 10 Democrat & 8 GOP. But even if not that based on where folks live relative to the boundaries, it needs to at least be no less than 8 Democrats.

I.e., the current 13 GOP - 5 Democrat contingent MUST change! Just based on this and other oddities, people keep assuming that PA is some "red" state and it is not! It is "purple/lean Democrat" and last year's Drumpf win was a (cheat) fluke.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
62. These spawn of Satan aren't done yet...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 01:50 PM
Mar 2018

When they CONTROL the decision makers, there is no justice. We'll see...but I suspect this isn't as hopeful as we would all like.

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