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riversedge

(70,407 posts)
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 12:13 AM Mar 2018

Gun maker files for bankruptcy protection: report

Source: the hill



By Avery Anapol - 03/25/18 09:29 PM EDT


Remington Outdoor Co., a major U.S. gun manufacturer, reportedly filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Sunday.

The company, which is facing mounting debt and lawsuits related to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, announced last month that it would file for bankruptcy, but delayed doing so after the Florida high school shooting in February, according to the Wall Street Journal.

“We do not expect this filing to affect the families’ case in any material way," an attorney representing Sandy Hook families in their suit against the manufacturer said in a statement to The Hill.

Remington reportedly plans to hand over control of the company to its creditors.

The company is one of the oldest gun and ammunition makers in the U.S.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/380230-gun-maker-files-for-bankruptcy-protection-one-day-after-march-for



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Gun maker files for bankruptcy protection: report (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2018 OP
am sure the new made in China remingtons will be flooding the market soon. nt elmac Mar 2018 #1
Nope. Chinese-made guns were banned from importation years ago NickB79 Mar 2018 #7
Another victim of China's unfair trade practices dalton99a Mar 2018 #2
Thoughts and prayers. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #3
Perfect! nt scarletwoman Mar 2018 #4
+ 1,000 nt Canoe52 Mar 2018 #5
Excellent! n/t Rabrrrrrr Mar 2018 #15
Sad! CountAllVotes Mar 2018 #6
Obama was great for gun sales, Trump is killing gun-making jobs IronLionZion Mar 2018 #8
Right? NickB79 Mar 2018 #9
That is why the gun makers are praying for a blue wave in November hack89 Mar 2018 #10
So we want the same thing IronLionZion Mar 2018 #11
Not sure about stronger gun laws hack89 Mar 2018 #12
and more responsible gun owners support sensible gun laws IronLionZion Mar 2018 #13
But you know that Feinstein will go straight for an AWB hack89 Mar 2018 #14
She passed it before IronLionZion Mar 2018 #16
And she failed miserably post Sandy Hook. hack89 Mar 2018 #17
Oh you think it was her fault that nothing got done? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #19
No. It was a collective failure of the Dems in Congress hack89 Mar 2018 #21
She helped write it, and it sucked, frankly NickB79 Mar 2018 #22
No more and no less than a major firearms manufacturer going bankrupt will effectively end... LanternWaste Mar 2018 #23
Remington going bankrupt is irrelevant to the issue of gun control hack89 Mar 2018 #24
Remington, meh for a long time now, has been its own enemy. Marengo Mar 2018 #18
NPR says Remington sold to Cerberus Capital Management for $118 million in 2007 apnu Mar 2018 #20

IronLionZion

(45,615 posts)
11. So we want the same thing
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 10:25 AM
Mar 2018

NRA and Dems both want Dems to win big. Except this time we might actually get some stronger gun laws with public support on our side

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. Not sure about stronger gun laws
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 10:29 AM
Mar 2018

Hard to see Congress passing an AWB or registration for example. If they play their cards right they could get UBCs, magazine size limits and other similar measures.

Don't forget that the bigger the Dem wave, the more Dems from pro-gun states will be elected. There are plenty of moderate Dems that own guns and support gun rights.

IronLionZion

(45,615 posts)
13. and more responsible gun owners support sensible gun laws
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 10:38 AM
Mar 2018

because it wouldn't affect them much. It would make it harder for the wrong people to get.

NRA has been blocking sensible improvements to the background check systems and data updates. Also mental health evaluations and people reporting that family members are unfit for a gun permit due to violent behavior, or drug/alcohol abuse.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. And she failed miserably post Sandy Hook.
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 11:03 AM
Mar 2018

and there is no recent polling on support for an AWB to make any strong statements either way.

Let's remember something- post Sandy Hook it was Democratic Senators that killed the AWB because there were a handful of Dems running in pro-gun, red states. That calculus has not changed.

Once thing that recent history has shown us is that public support does not always translate into votes. And none of the polls regarding gun control are limited to likely voters. And it is very unlikely that all that public support is evenly distributed. We do not hold national referendums. Politicians will not look at national polls - they care only about the people that can vote for him. The fact that blue states overwhelmingly support gun control means nothing to a politician in a red state.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
21. No. It was a collective failure of the Dems in Congress
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 11:59 AM
Mar 2018

by fundamentally underestimating the support for an AWB in the Senate. They should have listened to Harry Reid - his only concern was protecting the Democratic majority in the Senate.

They could have gotten UBCs but the decision to bundle everything with an AWB and registration was a major political miscalculation.

NickB79

(19,283 posts)
22. She helped write it, and it sucked, frankly
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 12:03 PM
Mar 2018

Seeing as how it didn't actually ban a damn thing, and millions of AR's and AK's were legally sold while the AWB was in effect.

They zeroed in on cosmetic features gun makers removed immediately, which had no bearing in the lethality of the firearm itself. That she and others didn't see that coming a mile away was a very real failure.

The only useful piece of that bill was the ban on new production of high capacity magazines.

On edit: I was referring to the 1994 AWB above, not the more recent attempts post-Sandy Hook. My bad.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. No more and no less than a major firearms manufacturer going bankrupt will effectively end...
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 12:46 PM
Mar 2018

"which will effectively end the discussion..."

No more and no less than a major firearms manufacturer going bankrupt will effectively end the discussion.

(I can pretend to tell the future too if my narrative depends on it)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
24. Remington going bankrupt is irrelevant to the issue of gun control
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 01:05 PM
Mar 2018

Recent political history (ie post Sandy Hook) tells us that an AWB will effectively end the discussion. The political calculus in Congress has not really changed. Notice how quiet Dem leadership is on gun control?

apnu

(8,759 posts)
20. NPR says Remington sold to Cerberus Capital Management for $118 million in 2007
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 11:54 AM
Mar 2018

See: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/26/596937376/remington-declares-chapter-11-amid-trump-slump-in-gun-sales

They also say:

"Reuters reports that Remington's creditors, including Franklin Templeton Investments and JPMorgan Asset Management have agreed to exchange debt for equity in the company."


So Remington is seeing a slump in sales due to Trump, but is also owned by a capital management company a lot like Bain Capital, and they're giving away shares to other bankers.

Remington is screwed like Toys 'R Us and many other companies that sell out to these capital "management" companies get screwed.

My point is, its not just Trump's affects and the national mood against firearms, Remington's problems are deeper and go back further than this.

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