Trump sending National Guard troops to Mexico border

[Mrs. Overall]

Source: NBC

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration began outlining a plan Wednesday to deploy National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border to fight illegal immigration, but will probably not allow the troops to have physical contact with immigrants, according to three administration officials.

The planning follows an announcement by President Donald Trump on Tuesday that came as a surprise to many of his advisers.

"Until we can have a wall and proper security, we are going to be guarding our border with the military," Trump said on Tuesday.

The plans were laid out in a meeting with senior level Department of Homeland Security officials as well as in a meeting with the White House's National Security Council on Wednesday, according to the three officials. The exact number of troops and how long they will be deployed to the border will be solidified in the coming days, the officials said.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-sending-troops-mexico-border-they-won-t-have-contact-n862736

[global1]

1. Is He Doing This Because He Thinks That Deploying The Nat'l Guard Will....

get people to think that we should give him the money to build the wall instead of manning the border with troops? Does he think he has a bargaining chip here?

[C_U_L8R]

2. Not with California's National Guard

Nope, don't think so.

[GreydeeThos]

18. Governor Brown will never sign off on this

Trump loses the National Guard issue before it even starts.

[beachbum bob]

27. trump can federalized any state national guard and do this, no govenor can stop it

[GreydeeThos]

28. Federalizing the National Guard preempts Trump from using them for law enforcement

The National Guard can only be used by the States for law enforcement. If Trump Federalizes a National Guard unit, it comes under command of the U. S. Army and the Posse Comitatus Act takes over. Trump's plan to use troops to apprehend undocumented border crossers only works if the Governor of the state deploys them.

No buy in from the state's Governor; no troops on the border.

[beachbum bob]

29. how did eisenhower federalize Arkansas Nation Guard in the 1950's for "law enforcement"?

[GreydeeThos]

30. It was my understanding that Eisenhower used the 101st Airborne

Which was probably illegal, but he got a pass on that one.

[beachbum bob]

31. nope, he federalized the national guard

[GreydeeThos]

32. It looks like 10,000 National Guard and 1000 Airborne

Sounds about right, force the citizens to comply with the local NG and have 1000 of the most bad-ass soldiers ready to jump in if there is trouble. Eisenhower did not hesitate either, the troops were on station within days.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Alert General Pershing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition

[Kali]

22. there is an old family story about my Grandfather when he was a teenager.

he and some pals went down to Douglas AZ to try and get a glimpse of Gen. Black Jack Pershing. some soldiers got in the boys' faces and asked themw hat they were doing around there and the kids pointed over to some shacks on the edge of town and said they lived there. the guard snickered and let them go on their way. the shacks were apparently the "red light" district. Grampa liked to tell that story.

that wiki article mentioned something I knew a little about but not all - that they brought a contingent of Chinese back with them. I know there are a lot of Chinese descendants in the Casas Grandes area but didn't know that detail of bringing some back across during yet another racist, paranoid period in our immigration history.

[Xipe Totec]

24. My dad was from Jerome, AZ

He's a reverse migrant; went back to Mexico because he could not stand the treatment in the US.

Lived in Texas when they still had "No dogs or Mexicans allowed" signs in restaurants.

I think you might be interested in reading "The Great Arizona Orphan Abduction" by Linda Gordon.

Cheers!

[Kali]

25. I have heard of that, but not read the whole book.

Grampa was an early social justice warrior - was on the school board back in the 30s, 40s, 50s. No Mexicans in the pool and English-only of course. He helped put an end to that bullshit. I think southern Arizona has always been more connected to Mexico than the northern half and the people generally more tolerant of each other. Pima county is one of the more progressive in the state.

[IADEMO2004]

4. To keep us in?

[haele]

5. Oh grand.

Is he going to pull the NG troops that are backfilling active duty, or is he going to require the various governors to pony up people who will have to leave their normal jobs to twiddle their thumbs on their NG pay along the border five or six days a week?
Is the DoD ready to start paying hundreds of thousands of Manpower dollars in benefits to their dependents every month, including VHA/BAQ so they can keep their families in housing and food?

It costs to deploy the Guard. A different pot of money, true, but it still costs.

Haele

[justhanginon]

6. Don't worry about the costs of this little tantrum. He will

just add it to the bill he will send to Mexico. More for them to ignore. El Stupido!! That's our boy.

[turbinetree]

7. Since the bone spurs likes to deploy things, just maybe he can fulfill his military duty that

he dodged and put on his military school uniform and lead the charge to keep out the imaginary hordes running across the border in his imaginary "Stephen Miller" "caravans....................what an asshole, that's the fucking ticket, just drive the defense budget up some more with whatever is running around in his malignant narcissistic psychopathic head




November 2018 cannot get here fast enough

[msongs]

8. so how many millions of latino hispanics will still vote repub this fall?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

9. A dog and ...

... donkey show.

[Paladin]

10. Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, president motherfucker. (nt)

[maxrandb]

11. Thank God

I mean...it's not like we're just entering tornado season, or anything like that

[getagrip_already]

12. this will drive soldiers out of the national guard....

Think about it. You are in the guard, and normally you do your weekends a year and an occassional longer training excercise. Maybe you have been deployed for 6-12 months overseas putting your life on hold. Maybe you have been deployed to help with national disasters.

Fine. That's what you signed up for.

Now you will be deployed to spend a woderful spell in the desert running down fence jumpers. Oh, and you will be making $150 a week or whatever guard pay is for domestic deployments. You might be deployed for months at a time. Further disrupting your life.

You aren't learning a skill. You aren't doing anything you believe in.

What are you going to do when they ask you to re-enlist?

[maxrandb]

13. Well, the Retrumplicans plan

is to tank the economy so there won't be jobs for them to go to.

It's all a "retention" incentive, believe me

[LuckyLib]

14. Even though undocumented crossings are the lowest

they have been since 1971. Just more distraction — throwing stuff in every direction. The criminal charges are looming, and Trumpster is working his base and the media.

[WhoWoodaKnew]

15. You guys need to read about what Trump is really doing with the NG

You've be duped.

[FiveGoodMen]

17. But you couldn't bother to give us a hint?

[WhoWoodaKnew]

21. See below...

"Nielsen said the effort would be similar to a 2006 operation in which President George W. Bush deployed troops to help U.S. Customs and Border Protection personnel with non-law enforcement duties while additional border agents were hired and trained. President Barack Obama also sent about 1,200 troops in 2010 to beef up efforts against drug smuggling and illegal immigration."

also...

"Federal law prohibits the use of active-duty service members for law enforcement inside the U.S., unless specifically authorized by Congress. But over the past 12 years, presidents have twice sent National Guard troops to the border to bolster security and assist with surveillance and other support."

[SunSeeker]

16. Someone will end up killed because of this dog and pony show.

Any time you combine that many itchy trigger fingers and leadership-approved hate, it's just a matter of time before there's a tragedy.

[Bayard]

20. Would like to hear what his military advisors say about this

Or maybe they're just glad he's not trying to suck them in now.

[Cha]

23. just so everyone understands, Trump's sending National Guard troops to border bc of bogus reports he

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