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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:11 PM Apr 2018

Texas man gets probation after using 'gay panic' defense to explain killing his neighbor

Source: LGBTQ Nation



By Bil Browning · Friday, April 27, 2018


Daniel Spencer Family photo


James Miller of Austin, Texas was found not guilty of manslaughter and murder by a jury after killing his neighbor, Daniel Spencer. After Miller used the “gay panic” defense, claiming Spencer made a pass at him, the jury found him guilty of criminally negligent homicide and sentenced him to 10 years of probation.

While a handful of states have outlawed the defense tactic and the American Bar Association has called on states to ban it, in Texas it is still legal to get away with murder by saying a gay man’s advances can justify killing him.

The judge was required under state law to honor the jury’s recommendation but also added on six months of jail time, 100 hours of community service, and restitution of $11,000 to the victim’s family. Miller will also have use a portable alcohol monitoring device for at least a year.

Miller and Spencer were drinking and playing music together shortly before the attack. Miller argued he reacted in self-defense but never claimed that Spencer intended to cause him bodily harm. Prosecutors argued during the case that blood evidence found on the scene disputed Miller’s claims.

Read more: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/04/texas-man-gets-probation-using-gay-panic-defense-explain-killing-neighbor/
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Texas man gets probation after using 'gay panic' defense to explain killing his neighbor (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
For Daniel Spencer irisblue Apr 2018 #1
... LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #17
... sinkingfeeling Apr 2018 #23
So I guess in some states, you can just kill anyone you want to. Mister Ed Apr 2018 #2
Utterly deplorable!!!! Initech Apr 2018 #3
Sooooo angrychair Apr 2018 #4
That was my first thought also. And I came to the same conclusion. nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #7
A woman will go to jail Scalded Nun Apr 2018 #10
I was wondering about that, as well. Most women could have used that defense at one time or another Arkansas Granny Apr 2018 #12
My first thought too.RIP Daniel uppityperson Apr 2018 #21
It would have to be woman v. woman to be comparable 'offense', I'd imagine. -nt poboy2 Apr 2018 #24
I doubt that angrychair Apr 2018 #26
And I doubt it is only texas that would allow this rape of the system of justice and decency. nt erronis Apr 2018 #27
Just imagine what would happen if every woman... malthaussen Apr 2018 #5
legalized murder. I really hope the family of the deceased files a civil suit against this POS still_one Apr 2018 #6
Well GWC58 Apr 2018 #9
How about evangelical proselytizing panic? - 'He was trying to convert me from my true religion'. keithbvadu2 Apr 2018 #8
Twinkie Defense, Wore a Hoodie Defense, He might have Made a Pass at me Defense... S.E. TN Liberal Apr 2018 #11
Wtf? What year is this again? area51 Apr 2018 #13
this is the norm going back to 1986 Chipper Chat Apr 2018 #14
"Stand your ground" strikes again, in a different wrapper Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #15
Exactly! rogue emissary Apr 2018 #38
That is Fucking BULLSHIT LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #16
Symmetry demands that . . . HuskyOffset Apr 2018 #18
I can't count the number of times I've had unwanted come-ons from men. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #19
So Texas is still a shithole rockfordfile Apr 2018 #20
I'm a life-long straight Texan male, and you may not credit this..... Paladin Apr 2018 #31
Who fucking cares blugbox Apr 2018 #36
Laws in your state mean something RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #37
christian justice nt msongs Apr 2018 #22
Snowflake insecure of his sexuality. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #25
beacuse gay lives are worth less in Texas DBoon Apr 2018 #28
What was claimed by the defense in the trial: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2018 #29
Gay lives mean nothing. Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #30
You matter to me. Jedi Guy Apr 2018 #35
Apparently the "gay panic defense" has only been banned in CA and IL. joshcryer Apr 2018 #32
OMFG! Sickening. Duppers Apr 2018 #33
I'm utterly stunned at this. Jedi Guy Apr 2018 #34

Mister Ed

(5,941 posts)
2. So I guess in some states, you can just kill anyone you want to.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:22 PM
Apr 2018

As long as you say afterward, "We'll, I thought he might be gay, and I thought he might be hitting on me,"

:

angrychair

(8,717 posts)
4. Sooooo
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:23 PM
Apr 2018

Does a women in Texas get a legal defense that protects them if they kill a man for making a pass at them?

Somehow I doubt it...

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
10. A woman will go to jail
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:42 PM
Apr 2018

If she kills an attacker attempting rape or other bodily harm. Leaders and their warped justice system in this state are just too evil for words.

angrychair

(8,717 posts)
26. I doubt that
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 03:06 PM
Apr 2018

Traditionally speaking, these type of defenses do not apply to women, in any context. That is especially true in a stste like Texas.

malthaussen

(17,205 posts)
5. Just imagine what would happen if every woman...
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:23 PM
Apr 2018

... shot men who made unwanted passes at them. This defense scores high on the "ludicrous" scale. (Except that it worked, which makes it not ludicrous at all).

-- Mal

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
9. Well
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:40 PM
Apr 2018

cops are getting away with legalized homicide. So, sure, why not. That’s sarcasm, by the way.

S.E. TN Liberal

(508 posts)
11. Twinkie Defense, Wore a Hoodie Defense, He might have Made a Pass at me Defense...
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:46 PM
Apr 2018

...conservatives keep coming up with the lowest reason for a conservative to kill a minority.

Chipper Chat

(9,684 posts)
14. this is the norm going back to 1986
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:57 PM
Apr 2018

When some straight dude killed 2 gay men in the Cedar Springs area of Dallas. It caused quite an outrage in the gay community when he used that defense and got off almost Scott free.

LostOne4Ever

(9,289 posts)
16. That is Fucking BULLSHIT
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 01:13 PM
Apr 2018

Even if I were to believe that asshole’s story (and I don’t) a gay or trans person flirting with you ISN’T something to excuse killing them over!!!

And of course this happened in my state!

On the behalf of all decent Texans, Let me apologize for all the bigots who run Texas!

HuskyOffset

(889 posts)
18. Symmetry demands that . . .
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 01:29 PM
Apr 2018

. . . the same defense would work if a lesbian kills, sorry "defends herself", if a straight man makes a pass at her, or says something sexually suggestive that one could construe as a pass. Any wagers as to how well that would work?

CrispyQ

(36,483 posts)
19. I can't count the number of times I've had unwanted come-ons from men.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 01:51 PM
Apr 2018

I didn't panic & kill them. WTF? This is so wrong. I am so fucking sick of this shit.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
20. So Texas is still a shithole
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 01:57 PM
Apr 2018

Texas has ISIS laws. With that pro ISIS law that let a terrorist/murder go.

Paladin

(28,266 posts)
31. I'm a life-long straight Texan male, and you may not credit this.....
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:15 PM
Apr 2018

....but I have never once inflicted harm upon, much less taken the life of, any guy who has come on to me over the years. So glad you live in a pristine-enough region that you feel free to trash an entire state and all of its inhabitants. Not that Texas-bashing is anything new to DU.

blugbox

(951 posts)
36. Who fucking cares
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 09:04 AM
Apr 2018

What someone says about your state. Guess what? Your state just robbed a human of legal Justice after he'd already been robbed of his precious life! A man was murdered in cold blood, and the legal system of Texas utterly failed him and his family, but what's more important to you it's that someone bashed Texas (they never mentioned Texans) and that's what you log in to defend.

Thanks for letting us all know you have never murdered a man for coming on to you. That was the point being made? Obviously all Texans are horrible?... Jeez Paladin, I have nothing against you, but it's not about you. Emotions are running high and people have opinions... That isn't what matters here.

RIP Daniel, and also, fuck Texas.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
37. Laws in your state mean something
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 09:15 AM
Apr 2018

Somehow, a group of people got together and decided this is justice.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,326 posts)
29. What was claimed by the defense in the trial:
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 03:29 PM
Apr 2018
The two men had been drinking, and Miller told officials he thought Spencer was coming on to him, according to a police report. Miller testified that he told Spencer he was not gay and tried to leave and then Spencer started yelling at him and waving his hands. When asked if they fought, Miller said no.

Prosecutors said because Spencer did not touch Miller or state any intention to hurt him, the notion that he used deadly force for self-defense was “ludicrous.”

Prosecutor Matthew Foye said the facts that Spencer was stabbed in the back and that Miller showed no sign of harm on his body the day of the slaying prove it was not self-defense.
...
Foye said the threat of sexual assault as a basis for self-defense does not make sense because Miller had never spoken about a specific sexual advance.

https://www.mystatesman.com/news/crime--law/jury-weighs-murder-charge-austin-stabbing-death-daniel-spencer/1O6Ps3SC9XAcC4tTxrhOfP/

The verdict is crazy.

Behind the Aegis

(53,963 posts)
30. Gay lives mean nothing.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 03:40 PM
Apr 2018

We are nothing but a "wedge issue" or a "punchline" to many people. Our lives, our loves, and our existence is a problem for many people. Homophobia and heterosexism (heterosexual privilege) are ripe and rank in the US (and the world), and, sadly, it isn't a wholly right/left issue either. But, until enough of us are murdered, we don't matter. It is still legal to discriminate against us in several states because we are gay and deny us housing and employment. Let me say that again it is LEGAL to discriminate against gay people in several US states! LEGAL! Almost every week, I read stories about one state or another's legislatures preparing anti-gay laws, today, in my state of Oklahoma, they are trying to LEGALLY...that's right, LEGALLY, deny GLBT people from adoption. We have a "president" who "joked" his VP would like to have us put to death! Of course, almost as disgusting was the rush of people to claim the reason for Pense's death wish for the GLBT is because he is a secret faggot himself! See, because homophobia doesn't exist in the straight world, it is only sad, pathetic, self-loathing homos responsible for homophobia!

I would say we matter, but I know we don't.

Jedi Guy

(3,204 posts)
35. You matter to me.
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 08:18 AM
Apr 2018

I'm sorry you're having to endure this. Truly I am. I think of all the wonderful people I've known who might have been the victim in this case, and my blood boils. This is just sickening.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
32. Apparently the "gay panic defense" has only been banned in CA and IL.
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 05:35 AM
Apr 2018

That is insane. Quite literally if you want to murder someone and they are gay you may do so and claim temporary insanity due to panic.

I really don't see the victim hitting on the murderer. Even with drunk goggles. There's way more to this story than meets the eye and this guy just got away with murder.

Jedi Guy

(3,204 posts)
34. I'm utterly stunned at this.
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 08:12 AM
Apr 2018

I did theatre in high school. Most of the gentlemen in my troupe were gay. One of them made a pass at me and I said, "I'm really flattered that you find me attractive, but I'm not wired that way." Something like that, anyway. He and I were best friends for years afterward. Hell, he taught me how to sing better!

Why did this guy feel a need to execute someone because they may have been attracted to him? I seriously can't wrap my brain around that kind of abject lunacy.

Rest in peace, Daniel. I'm sorry you were robbed of your life, and that Texas robbed you of justice. This is the very definition of injustice.

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