Texas man gets probation after using 'gay panic' defense to explain killing his neighbor
Source: LGBTQ Nation
By Bil Browning · Friday, April 27, 2018
Daniel Spencer Family photo
James Miller of Austin, Texas was found not guilty of manslaughter and murder by a jury after killing his neighbor, Daniel Spencer. After Miller used the gay panic defense, claiming Spencer made a pass at him, the jury found him guilty of criminally negligent homicide and sentenced him to 10 years of probation.
While a handful of states have outlawed the defense tactic and the American Bar Association has called on states to ban it, in Texas it is still legal to get away with murder by saying a gay mans advances can justify killing him.
The judge was required under state law to honor the jurys recommendation but also added on six months of jail time, 100 hours of community service, and restitution of $11,000 to the victims family. Miller will also have use a portable alcohol monitoring device for at least a year.
Miller and Spencer were drinking and playing music together shortly before the attack. Miller argued he reacted in self-defense but never claimed that Spencer intended to cause him bodily harm. Prosecutors argued during the case that blood evidence found on the scene disputed Millers claims.
Read more: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/04/texas-man-gets-probation-using-gay-panic-defense-explain-killing-neighbor/
irisblue
(32,999 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,464 posts)Mister Ed
(5,941 posts)As long as you say afterward, "We'll, I thought he might be gay, and I thought he might be hitting on me,"
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Initech
(100,087 posts)angrychair
(8,717 posts)Does a women in Texas get a legal defense that protects them if they kill a man for making a pass at them?
Somehow I doubt it...
Ferrets are Cool
(21,108 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)If she kills an attacker attempting rape or other bodily harm. Leaders and their warped justice system in this state are just too evil for words.
Arkansas Granny
(31,521 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)poboy2
(2,078 posts)angrychair
(8,717 posts)Traditionally speaking, these type of defenses do not apply to women, in any context. That is especially true in a stste like Texas.
erronis
(15,307 posts)malthaussen
(17,205 posts)... shot men who made unwanted passes at them. This defense scores high on the "ludicrous" scale. (Except that it worked, which makes it not ludicrous at all).
-- Mal
still_one
(92,273 posts)cops are getting away with legalized homicide. So, sure, why not. Thats sarcasm, by the way.
keithbvadu2
(36,836 posts)S.E. TN Liberal
(508 posts)...conservatives keep coming up with the lowest reason for a conservative to kill a minority.
area51
(11,913 posts)Chipper Chat
(9,684 posts)When some straight dude killed 2 gay men in the Cedar Springs area of Dallas. It caused quite an outrage in the gay community when he used that defense and got off almost Scott free.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)I call it the coward's defense.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)Even if I were to believe that assholes story (and I dont) a gay or trans person flirting with you ISNT something to excuse killing them over!!!
And of course this happened in my state!
On the behalf of all decent Texans, Let me apologize for all the bigots who run Texas!
HuskyOffset
(889 posts). . . the same defense would work if a lesbian kills, sorry "defends herself", if a straight man makes a pass at her, or says something sexually suggestive that one could construe as a pass. Any wagers as to how well that would work?
CrispyQ
(36,483 posts)I didn't panic & kill them. WTF? This is so wrong. I am so fucking sick of this shit.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Texas has ISIS laws. With that pro ISIS law that let a terrorist/murder go.
Paladin
(28,266 posts)....but I have never once inflicted harm upon, much less taken the life of, any guy who has come on to me over the years. So glad you live in a pristine-enough region that you feel free to trash an entire state and all of its inhabitants. Not that Texas-bashing is anything new to DU.
blugbox
(951 posts)What someone says about your state. Guess what? Your state just robbed a human of legal Justice after he'd already been robbed of his precious life! A man was murdered in cold blood, and the legal system of Texas utterly failed him and his family, but what's more important to you it's that someone bashed Texas (they never mentioned Texans) and that's what you log in to defend.
Thanks for letting us all know you have never murdered a man for coming on to you. That was the point being made? Obviously all Texans are horrible?... Jeez Paladin, I have nothing against you, but it's not about you. Emotions are running high and people have opinions... That isn't what matters here.
RIP Daniel, and also, fuck Texas.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Somehow, a group of people got together and decided this is justice.
msongs
(67,421 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,015 posts)DBoon
(22,374 posts)nt
muriel_volestrangler
(101,326 posts)Prosecutors said because Spencer did not touch Miller or state any intention to hurt him, the notion that he used deadly force for self-defense was ludicrous.
Prosecutor Matthew Foye said the facts that Spencer was stabbed in the back and that Miller showed no sign of harm on his body the day of the slaying prove it was not self-defense.
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Foye said the threat of sexual assault as a basis for self-defense does not make sense because Miller had never spoken about a specific sexual advance.
https://www.mystatesman.com/news/crime--law/jury-weighs-murder-charge-austin-stabbing-death-daniel-spencer/1O6Ps3SC9XAcC4tTxrhOfP/
The verdict is crazy.
Behind the Aegis
(53,963 posts)We are nothing but a "wedge issue" or a "punchline" to many people. Our lives, our loves, and our existence is a problem for many people. Homophobia and heterosexism (heterosexual privilege) are ripe and rank in the US (and the world), and, sadly, it isn't a wholly right/left issue either. But, until enough of us are murdered, we don't matter. It is still legal to discriminate against us in several states because we are gay and deny us housing and employment. Let me say that again it is LEGAL to discriminate against gay people in several US states! LEGAL! Almost every week, I read stories about one state or another's legislatures preparing anti-gay laws, today, in my state of Oklahoma, they are trying to LEGALLY...that's right, LEGALLY, deny GLBT people from adoption. We have a "president" who "joked" his VP would like to have us put to death! Of course, almost as disgusting was the rush of people to claim the reason for Pense's death wish for the GLBT is because he is a secret faggot himself! See, because homophobia doesn't exist in the straight world, it is only sad, pathetic, self-loathing homos responsible for homophobia!
I would say we matter, but I know we don't.
Jedi Guy
(3,204 posts)I'm sorry you're having to endure this. Truly I am. I think of all the wonderful people I've known who might have been the victim in this case, and my blood boils. This is just sickening.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)That is insane. Quite literally if you want to murder someone and they are gay you may do so and claim temporary insanity due to panic.
I really don't see the victim hitting on the murderer. Even with drunk goggles. There's way more to this story than meets the eye and this guy just got away with murder.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)No justice for minorities, gays, anyone different. Fuck Texass.
Jedi Guy
(3,204 posts)I did theatre in high school. Most of the gentlemen in my troupe were gay. One of them made a pass at me and I said, "I'm really flattered that you find me attractive, but I'm not wired that way." Something like that, anyway. He and I were best friends for years afterward. Hell, he taught me how to sing better!
Why did this guy feel a need to execute someone because they may have been attracted to him? I seriously can't wrap my brain around that kind of abject lunacy.
Rest in peace, Daniel. I'm sorry you were robbed of your life, and that Texas robbed you of justice. This is the very definition of injustice.