Four Women Accuse New York's Attorney General of Physical Abuse

[Jose Garcia]

Source: The New Yorker

Eric chneiderman, New York’s attorney general, has long been a liberal Democratic champion of women’s rights, and recently he has become an outspoken figure in the #MeToo movement against sexual harassment. As New York State’s highest-ranking law-enforcement officer, Schneiderman, who is sixty-three, has used his authority to take legal action against the disgraced film mogul Harvey Weinstein, and to demand greater compensation for the victims of Weinstein’s alleged sexual crimes. Last month, when the Times and this magazine were awarded a joint Pulitzer Prize for coverage of sexual harassment, Schneiderman issued a congratulatory tweet, praising “the brave women and men who spoke up about the sexual harassment they had endured at the hands of powerful men.” Without these women, he noted, “there would not be the critical national reckoning under way.”

Schneiderman is facing a reckoning of his own. As his prominence as a voice against sexual misconduct has risen, so, too, has the distress of four women with whom he has had romantic relationships or encounters. They accuse Schneiderman of having subjected them to nonconsensual physical violence. All have been reluctant to speak out, fearing reprisal. But two of the women, Michelle Manning Barish and Tanya Selvaratnam, have talked to The New Yorker on the record, because they feel that doing so could protect other women. They allege that he repeatedly hit them, often after drinking, frequently in bed and never with their consent. Manning Barish and Selvaratnam categorize the abuse he inflicted on them as “assault.” They did not report their allegations to the police at the time, but both say that they eventually sought medical attention after having been slapped hard across the ear and face, and also choked. Selvaratnam says that Schneiderman warned her he could have her followed and her phones tapped, and both say that he threatened to kill them if they broke up with him. (Schneiderman’s spokesperson said that he “never made any of these threats.”)

A third former romantic partner of Schneiderman’s told Manning Barish and Selvaratnam that he also repeatedly subjected her to nonconsensual physical violence, but she told them that she is too frightened of him to come forward. (The New Yorker has independently vetted the accounts that they gave of her allegations.) A fourth woman, an attorney who has held prominent positions in the New York legal community, says that Schneiderman made an advance toward her; when she rebuffed him, he slapped her across the face with such force that it left a mark that lingered the next day. She recalls screaming in surprise and pain, and beginning to cry, and says that she felt frightened. She has asked to remain unidentified, but shared a photograph of the injury with The New Yorker.

In a statement, Schneiderman said, “In the privacy of intimate relationships, I have engaged in role-playing and other consensual sexual activity. I have not assaulted anyone. I have never engaged in nonconsensual sex, which is a line I would not cross.”



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[George II]

1. Ratfucking, plain and simple. Schneiderman is getting closer and closer to trump, so....

...."let's come up with a scandal and discredit him".

[Fullduplexxx]

3. And there is a story about trump sending people out to dig up dirt on his enemies

And suddenly 4 women pop up out of nowhere

[hlthe2b]

4. My immediate thought... Beware folks... Schneiderman is the Mueller invesigation's safety net

against abusive pardons. For this to be coming up now has a certain major RW STINK to it.

[LudwigPastorius]

8. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss their allegations.

The two women who talked to the New Yorker don't exactly appear to be right-wing Trump lovers.

[hlthe2b]

10. No one is saying dismiss; just be appropriately discerning and wary.

[onetexan]

12. exactly the first thought that crossed my mind

this is a witch hunt by the GOP to discredit Schneider.

[calimary]

124. And mine. My husband said the same thing - something about a fishy smell...

[LudwigPastorius]

144. Well, the poster I was replying to said, "ratfucking, plain and simple".

So yeah, he, or she, certainly dismissed the women's story.

[hlthe2b]

146. I doubt they would feel that way now, given the resignation...

Sometimes these rapidly moving stories don't leave time for people to process.

[lancelyons]

76. Thats what I noticed.. I thought something has to be up with these accusations but they seem legit.

These ladies seem legit and I have no reason to not believe them.

I agree the timing is suspect but im going to side with the women on this one.

[Jazzgirl]

78. Not me.

This sounds like a drumpf hit job. I'm not siding with anyone now. Be fooled.

[kacekwl]

127. Sounds bad for the AG and if true he should leave and suffer whatever the consequences may be. But

what burns me is if this info came out on trump nothing would happen. NOTHING.

[laserhaas]

179. Worse info on Trump, already is out

And you're right

Nothing

[Glorfindel]

9. Absolutely.

n/t

[Tumbulu]

14. Maybe not, maybe the misogyny is so entrenched that people feel that "role playing"

includes slapping and choking. Or that sex entitles them to be rough.

I don't know, you read the ridiculous sexist defenders of violent porn on DU for the last decade.... you see how many of the men of this generation are still just utterly disgustingly messed up.

The New Yorker is not exactly a conservative rag....

The only comfort that I have is that he heads a team of prosecutors, and they will still keep the cases going.

But it is worrisome, nonetheless.

For the record, I felt strongly that Al Franken was outrageously wrongly accused- and cannot for the life of me understand why he resigned. Or why Democrats pushed for his resignation.

[blkyank1]

50. Easy,If you are going to build a political resistance against Misogny,you can't have ANY skeletons

In your closet.Especially if you are a man. This is political Judo at its finest. Attack the strengths of your foes.

If the Democrats are the party of "Womens issues" they are especially vulnerable to any accusations they are
being hypocritical by not believing allegations of sexual abuse/assault made by women against Democratic
men.

Wonder how long before Gilibrand calls for Schneiderman to step down?

I don't think the real object is to get him to resign because another Democrat would be appointed to the position
of Attorney General and go after Trump with renewed vigor. They want to leave a lasting stink on the AG office
by having him ask for an investigation, that could very likely reveal some embarrassing kinky sexual activity on
Schneiderman's part and drag past whatever Mueller does so Schneiderman would look bad if he tried to pick up
the ball, if Mueller is fired or otherwise, is stonewalled.

If he hangs in there, Schneiderman is painted under the same brush as Trump, and the Democrats lose the moral high
ground in the press if it comes down to the AG office going after Trump on its own.

If Schneiderman is forced out, they win by turning the Democrats against each other with the base claiming the party
threw a Democrat under the bus before a complete investigation took place, because of GOP ratfuckery the same as
what happened to Al Franken.

[blkyank1]

71. Some woman like to play rough

Many don't. The heart of this matter is was this all part of some "50 SHADES" fantasy role-playing these women
were down for or was it truly a case of a powerful man, intimidating or otherwise forcing women to do something
they otherwise would not do?


For all we know, these ladies may have just found out about each other and that could be a reason behind this coming
out at this time.

They wouldn't be the first women content to be the "other" women in a married man's life who gets pissed when she
finds out she is but one of several "other" women in a married man's life.

[Tumbulu]

90. Did you even read the article,

that is pretty much debunked. I find your response typical of some hateful misogynist.

Please remove it.

[yardwork]

157. He wasn't married at the time. Your "theory" is completely made up.

[SergeStorms]

97. Huh?

"I don't know, you read the ridiculous sexist defenders of violent porn on DU for the last decade.... you see how many of the men of this generation are still just utterly disgustingly messed up".

Are you reading a different DU than myself? I hardly think DU is a hotbed of "sexist defenders of violent porn". Would you care to cite one instance of that? Please.

Sorry, but I take exception to that accusation. I believe many men are being accused of actions of which they're entirely innocent, just so men hating women can get a few free blows in themselves. Be very careful in throwing such broad accusations around, my Democratic friend. If the shoe was on the other foot I would have been deluged with insults and attacks by now.

[Tumbulu]

106. Look them up - there is a search feature

you will see.

Your post is rather revealing.

Feel free to take any exception that you wish to.

It's very clear that DU has allowed horrendous misogynistic posts all the time that I have come here.

Outrageous, really.

It is hardly a left or right wing thing.

It is a screwed up thing, and these people tend to spend a lot of time on the computer. And defend their porn and their fantasies rigorously.

And look how many are defending him and accusing them of making it up, or enjoying it, or whatever.

[SergeStorms]

111. No, sorry.

You're the person who made the statement. The burden of proof is upon you. I'm asking you to provide one post that backs up what you say about these men. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I am defending many men on DU that are being accused of being heinous monsters who love violent porn. One instance, please. If I'm wrong about this I'll provide a mea maxima culpa. I'm not an enemy of women. You seem to be insinuating that I am when you say, "your post is rather revealing".

Please, point to just one post (of the many posted here on DU) that backs up your accusation.

[SergeStorms]

155. That's what I thought.

I don't know why you'd accuse DU men, some of women's most staunch supporters and defenders, of being such low-life bastards. I guess you have your reasons, but you'd rather not share those with us. Peace.

[MrsCoffee]

180. Linking to them gets your fucking post hidden.

It's happened to me. Someone says prove and you do then your post gets hidden. It's a bullshit game.

I've seen exactly what that poster is talking about.

[SergeStorms]

182. So basically....

someone can make any ridiculous comment they wish, and when asked to provide proof of some character assassination piece they can just clam up and get away with it. Now that is a "bullshit game".

It seems to me there are some women on DU who have serious issues with all men, regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
That's their problem, and it is a problem. They should seek counseling.

[brush]

43. We have to wonder if he's being "Al Frankened" or "Joy Reided".

[oberliner]

59. This response is sickening

[George II]

72. In what way?

[oberliner]

75. Callously dismissive of women who are courageously speaking out about abuse

[George II]

103. "Callously"?

[Tumbulu]

107. yes, callously.

[SergeStorms]

125. Alleged abuse.

Here we are again. Have you found the post from among the many DU men that defends violent porn yet? I'm waiting.

[Jedi Guy]

126. Amazing, isn't it?

If this fellow had an "R" after his name there would be zero questions about the veracity of these ladies' statements and the pitchforks and torches would be out. Any stated skepticism of their claims would be loudly and violently shouted down.

But since he has a "D" after his name, then it's an obvious "ratfucking" operation and these claims are instantly suspect. This from the same people who have been saying for months that all claims of sexual misconduct should be wholeheartedly accepted, and that to ask for any kind of proof is misogyny.

We can't have it both ways. Deciding which claims to accept and which to deny based on the political affiliation of the accused is hypocrisy, pure and simple.

[Delphinus]

166. I recognized that

in myself last night.

[Jedi Guy]

172. It's an easy trap to fall into, unfortunately.

We want to believe that since we're the "good guys" that anyone on our "team" is a good and virtuous person, particularly if they're a person of prominence.

The ugly truth is that people are fallible and their politics aren't necessarily indicative of their virtue.

Where the rubber meets the road is how we react. If we ignore, minimize, or defend those on our side when they're accused of these things, we're no better than the Republicans who hand-waved Trump's depravity away as "locker room talk."

I was really disheartened to see so many DUers defending Schneiderman or lamenting his loss as a weapon against Trump, with not a word of sympathy or empathy for the women he abused. We are not who we thought we were, and that's disappointing.

[SummerSnow]

79. Bingo!!!

[PoliticAverse]

95. How is Schneiderman "getting closer and closer to Trump" - any indictments like Mueller?

Any search warrants executed like Mueller?

[jberryhill]

154. In the world of Louise Mensch tweets

In reality, not so much.

[Jose Garcia]

159. There were no accusation ratfucking or any other beastiality

Just abusing women.

[Lonestarblue]

2. After Franken, I'm suspicious about everything!

I can’t help but wonder if this is an attempt to take out Schneiderman because Republicans know that he is effective and New York, as home to Trump Family Criminal Enterprises, has standing to indict actions that Mueller eventually hands off to them to try to prevent Trump from pardoning every criminal in his vicinity.

[pazzyanne]

28. K & R

[Honeycombe8]

35. Yeah. It's a little late. And they were mistresses...

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who only NOW are complaining he hit them.

This will probably have legs, in view of the Me Too movement. He made his bed when he chose to have mistresses (no pun intended).

Violence against women is even more pervasive than I thought. Once he hit them once, why did they see him again, if they did? Doesn't everyone know that such a thing ends any relationship? It's over. Finito.

[JI7]

45. We're know Franken accusations were bs based on evidence

With Schneiderman so far it doesn't look good for him.

[brush]

53. Any other prominent Dem working ot rid us of trump better be ready...

because they're coming for you.

[oberliner]

60. You shouldn't be

This is a real problem that we absolutely cannot turn our back on.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

135. Roger Stone still walks the streets...

... so anything with the stench of ratfcking, especially on a national scale, brings him to mind.

[apnu]

167. Did you read the whole New Yorker article?

At first I wanted to give Schinderman credit, but now that I've read these women's stories, I believe them. Schinderman is a monster. He's a drunk and mixing drugs to fuel his behavior. Why he's doing it, is anybody's guess, but all these women's stories are too similar but they don't share the same circles. This isn't a witch hunt.

[elfin]

5. Dammit. EOM

[Mrs. Overall]

73. Yep. My reaction is "Shit. EOM"

[brooklynite]

6. There have been plenty of accurate stories about Trump in the New Yorker...

...and the accusers aren't remaining anonymous.

[spooky3]

20. And Ronan Farrow is Co-author--he also helped break the Weinstein story.

We have to be careful to listen to and investigate allegations.

[mountain grammy]

143. The New Yorker just isn't wrong

Not in my memory anyway. This makes me sick.

[ananda]

7. This is very disconcerting.

Mainly because these are women out in the open
and speaking out...

The Franken case was very much different.

Also, Schneiderman's "rebuttal" stinks.

I would very much like to be a rightwing hitjob
and false, but so far it doesn't seem that way.

[spooky3]

22. Completely different. And there was no investigation.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. It makes me sick to see people excusing and disbelieving this.

[hlthe2b]

17. ANd it makes me sick to see someone make a conclusion before the facts are even out.

Geebus... This is literally a breaking story THIS HOUR... I haven't even gotten through the New Yorker Magazine article and doubt most have, yet you have already decided?

JHC!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

30. I find it more likely that a man behaved badly than four women were willing to put their names

on false allegations.

[hlthe2b]

36. Waiting for all the facts to come out hardly seems inappropriate.

[Tumbulu]

94. did you even read the article?

pretty damning, and pretty typical of the disgusting stuff that is finally getting called out.

[hlthe2b]

96. this thread for me and likely others is the first word on this breaking story and no

I have no way to download a New Yorker story on the 4 inch iphone 5 I am currently using to post this so NO, I have not yet read. Nor, I suspect have many had the CHANCE TO DO SO.

Heavens folks, give people a CHANCE to explore breaking stories... Geebus.

[Tumbulu]

112. well then why are you commenting on it.

The article is very well researched and it is pretty clear that he has a long history of this behavior.

It is really awful.

[hlthe2b]

117. YOU have no right to tell me or anyone else which threads and when we can post to.

DUers have EVERY right to post their impressions to breaking news. As I am sure you have done many many times.

[Tumbulu]

120. hmmm, let's see, you defend the guy, claim it is a hit job

but you have not read the article?

[hlthe2b]

122. I did not... i said be wary and discerning. I said allow the facts to come through.

You are waaaay off base.

[yardwork]

136. Well, I just read it on my phone and I believe the women.

[hlthe2b]

139. I suspect i will too. I think it is not inappropriate to allow DUers to have a chance to get home

and read the article, within a few hours of the breaking news story. I however, will NOT do in a car moving 75 mph--or I will throw up the entire 60 miles back from Denver. YMMV. If you think that makes me or any other DUer worthy of derision, well, that would come as a shock to me, having "known" you for years on DU, but...

This breaking story was essentially introduced and OVER in two hours or so. Of course it is going to catch DUers at various stages of the story unfolding and processing. Sorry, but it is NEVER inappropriate to state with ANY BREAKING NEWS story that one needs the facts before judging.

[Ilsa]

21. No one is "excusing" this kind of behavior.

But some skepticism is wise under these circumstances. The GOP has tried to discredit Obama Adm persons who worked on the Iran deal. They know Schneiderman is the legal safety net to charge trump. They paid women to be silent. I wouldn't be at all surprised that they paid women to make false accusations.

[Pale Blue Dot]

26. If this was a Republican you would not be making this same argument

The allegations are credible enough, and backed with enough contemporary evidence, that the New Yorker felt safe publishing them. The hypocracy has got to stop.

[blkyank1]

82. If anything the GOP

Wants Schneiderman to survive this with his career on life support. These charges will follow him around and have pretty
much killed his chances of being NY Governor or a future US Senator if there is any truth to them, so the GOP would be
better off if he hangs in there.

They could bring this up again if he goes after Trump with state charges. That's what they do best, drag everybody
into the swamp. Nobody is clean, nobody has the moral high ground. It's just your team versus their team and you
hold your nose and vote for your guy because the other guy is just as bad in his personal life, but he's on the other
team and that should be the only thing that matters.

Even if it was all consensual sexual activity, Schneiderman has probably seen his future prospects at running for
higher office die this day.

[calimary]

129. Welcome to DU, bklyank1.

DAYUM what shitty news! As we were watching Rachel Maddow roll out the story on her show, my husband and I looked at each other and agreed - they've "killed" Schneiderman. He's smeared. And as such, he's probably out of the game now, or within the next 18-24 hours. Certainly by the end of the week, which is about how long it took to decapitate Al Franken. If indeed these charges are true. And assuming there wasn't some Michael Cohen money changing hands somewhere...

That doesn't mean the New York investigation is cut of at the knees, though, does it? Wouldn't Schneiderman's deputy or second-in-command step in and take over? Perhaps now we have to wait and see if the prosecutors in the DC/Virginia area suddenly face some old dirt, as well.

Knowing the scent of trump lingers here, I have to concede I am suspicious of this. I want to believe the women, but I'm still suspicious.

[Jedi Guy]

163. "They" didn't kill Schneiderman.

He did himself in by thinking he was entitled to hit as demean women. His wounds are 100% self-inflicted.

[calimary]

164. Yeah, and that's a good point, too, my friend.

I’ve heard the comment uttered that this was a “50 Shades...” thing. That it comes down to a yen for really kinky sex.

Even so, YUCK!!!! That isn’t what I can ever consider any kind of turn-on.

And you’re right. It’s on him. And I too find it mighty hard to sympathize when this type of wound is self-inflicted.

My first instinct on this episode was suspicion particularly because of A) the political aspect and the Mueller consideration and B) because of who the opposition is and their penchant for dirty tricks and dark arts - (anything that has even a whiff of Roger Stone in it is Suspect-As-All-Hell). But condoning the specific behavior as the details came out isn’t possible. Sadly, even when it means having to take a prime player out of the team.

Stephanie Ruehl on MSNBC just called it “hypocrisy after dark.”

[vi5]

41. Welcome to DU circa 2018....

It's pathetic.

[oberliner]

61. Amen and likewise

[Jedi Guy]

128. 100% agree.

The hypocrisy on display in this thread turns my stomach. This guy is on our "team" so people defend him. If he were a Republican the reaction would be completely different.

[pnwmom]

13. There are 2 "Chief Deputy" attorneys general.

Hopefully one of them will make a good replacement, if needed.

https://ag.ny.gov/senior-staff

[NewJeffCT]

31. Both have impressive educational backgrounds

Unfortunately, it seems like being NY State Attorney General can lead to bad endings.

[fleabiscuit]

86. +1

[Ligyron]

15. Oh, great...

Who is the Deputy Assistant AG? Still, shame on him if true.

[Leghorn21]

25. Alvin Bragg:

Alvin Bragg

Chief Deputy Attorney General

Chief Deputy Attorney General Alvin Bragg

Alvin L. Bragg, Jr. serves as Chief Deputy Attorney General. Mr. Bragg previously served as Executive Deputy Attorney General for Social Justice, and was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Criminal Division of the United States Attorney’s Office in New York’s Southern District, where he investigated and prosecuted misconduct by elected officials and law enforcement, money laundering of narcotics proceeds, bank fraud, witness tampering, and fraud relating to government contracts. Mr. Bragg also served as the Chief of Litigation and Investigations at the New York City Council and was in private practice at the firm now known as Morvillo Abramowitz Grand Iason & Anello P.C. Immediately after law school, he served as a law clerk for the Honorable Robert P. Patterson, Jr., U.S. District Judge, Southern District of New York. Mr. Bragg received his A.B. from Harvard University, cum laude, and his J.D. from Harvard Law School.

[Ligyron]

91. Very good.

Thank you for that.

[dlk]

16. Interesting Timing for These Allegations

[quartz007]

44. Sex allegations wait until time is ripe

Now that NY-AG is actively involved with the tRump regime, time was ripe to bring allegations to surface.

tRump has been grabbing vagina's for decades. But time was not ripe until he moved into the White House.

May be the "me too" movement is finally giving abused women the courage to come out. Examples: Bill Cosby & Harvey Weinstein.

[Dawson Leery]

18. How long before "accusations" arise against Cuomo, who has the power

to pardon Trump for state level crimes?

[OliverQ]

19. Welp, there goes our State charges back-up plan against Trump.

[brooklynite]

29. Because ONLY Schneiderman can file charges?

Nobody deserves that much adulation.

[onenote]

160. Why? Schneiderman is not irreplaceable

[Dopers_Greed]

23. Welp there goes the entire case against Trump

No doubt he's being Franken'ed

RIP America

[LenaBaby61]

56. "No doubt he's being Franken'ed."

IF he is, then yeah good-bye USA.

And hello ruSSia, and that place over there outside of St. Petersburg and Moscow is a human hell hole..

[AllaN01Bear]

24. this recent explosion of sexual harrasment smells .

[oberliner]

62. No, it doesn't

[PoliticAverse]

63. Smells like cracks in the wall of silence. n/t

[beachbum bob]

27. An attack against the AG...

For obvious reasons

[madaboutharry]

32. The legal work and case survive any one lawyer.

If he has to resign, that does not mean that the work product gets thrown in the trash. Come on people, get a grip. There is a team of lawyers working this case, it will live on beyond the current Attorney General.

[Glimmer of Hope]

54. Yep. The case work will continue.

[deurbano]

33. Crap.

[brooklynite]

34. To those alleging this is a hit job, Schneiderman confirms the physical aspect of the charges...

...the only open question is whether you agree with him that it was consensual.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the women at this point.

[madville]

42. Anyone who gets off on

calling women whores and slapping/physically abusing them, whether it is consensual or not, is not fit to occupy the office that he does. He has serious mental issues whether it was consensual or not.

[brooklynite]

48. THAT I'll disagree with.

Consensual sexual activity falls into a range of forms. As long as all parties agree, I could care less what they do in private, or what job they hold in public.

Would your principle apply equally to a professional Dominatrix?

[dhol82]

67. Agreed

As long as it’s consensual, it’s ok.

[madville]

69. I stand by my statement

If he gets off on verbally and physically abusing women he has serious issues. He is not denying it.

What do you mean by "professional"? Someone who just does it as a job for income or someone that is aroused by humiliating and inflicting mental/physical abuse on another person?

So if there was video of him calling these women whores and slapping them across the face you would think that was acceptable behavior as long as the women agreed to it?

[brooklynite]

119. ...and I stand by mine.

I've listened to a number of sex therapists and BDSM practitioners discuss these activities. In the same way that that some people like physical impact (approaching pain) in their sexual play, some (female AND male) like "verbal" impact as well. Doesn't do anything for me, but to each his or her own.

nb - most people who take up the job of being a Dominatrix don't do it because they couldn't get a degree in accounting. If you're only doing it to pay the bills, you're likely not going to be successful.

[madville]

123. So it's ok to enjoy hitting and verbally abusing women as long as

they like it and it is done in private? Sorry, will never agree with that.

While if consensual I don't think it should be illegal or anything, it's not going to be appropriate for any politician/office holder. Add in that they all allege it was not consensual and it is moving into criminal territory though.

The NY governor is now calling for an investigation by state law enforcement.

[BuddhaGirl]

170. Guess what?

There are professional people in all types of professions- including doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc. etc. who engage in this type of activity, consensual activity, and YOU don't know anything about it.

It's none of our business. Simple as that.

[madville]

177. For over the last year I've been hearing that

This is alleged to be nonconsensual and a criminal investigation is underway.

Even if it is deemed consensual, hitting, injuring and verbally abusing women for gratification while drunk is not acceptable behavior from a politician. I don;t care what doctors and lawyers do behind closed doors.

What makes this even worse is that he had everyone fooled that he was a champion for women' rights.

[ananda]

110. I tend to agree.

That's four different women speaking out openly.

This is a LOT different from Franken's case.

Franken didn't even know most of the women
in his case, and the one he did know was VERY
suspicious in light of being coached by Roger
Stone.

[fountainofyouth]

37. The women sound credible

And Schneiderman does not.

Time to go.

[RogerM]

39. Let him have his day in court

He should not give in to the resignation/slime effort without a through investigation.

[brooklynite]

49. You've decided this is a "slime effort".

Feel free to explain.

[helmedon1974]

130. He's who Mueller will hand the investigation to if he's fired.

RICCO charges on the whole family as well as associates. State charges can't be pardoned. He has already run investigations on Trump businesses. Rudy is likely behind this, as it's his style. Timing is off too. Just when there's more talk about firing DOJ personnel, which is worrying enough.

[brooklynite]

149. Now explain how the facts of the case fit into your "sliming".

You know that Schneiderman has acknowledged the charges, and only claims they were "consensual"?

[fountainofyouth]

51. Granted, this is fresh news

But this does not bode well for him if he does not dispute having had encounters with these women and they are willing to go on record -- in The New Yorker -- saying he was abusive.

And unless they press criminal charges, which is unrealistic, there will be no official "day in court." His day in court will be adjudicated in the press, with his account and his alleged victims'. So far, he's losing.

[pnwmom]

66. If he knows he's guilty he should just resign. Why put the state and the country

through an investigation if he knows the outcome will be poor?

[madville]

38. These are prominent progressive women making the accusations

If there are already four coming forward my bet is that there will be a few more by the end of the month. He'll probably resign by the end of this month just from reading the article, it's way too elaborate to be setup and the two coming forward had well known relationships with him and confided friends at the time it was occurring who have confirmed their stories.

He's done.

[helmedon1974]

131. Prominent? Never heard of them.

[LanternWaste]

174. There are many prominent people I've never heard of as well.

There are many prominent people I've never heard of as well.

That lack of knowledge relevant to a region, a story, or an industry however, simply illustrates my own ignorance rather than minimizing the status of anyone else.

[rurallib]

40. Shades of Eliot Spitzer! How convenient for Trump

He will do anything and everything he can to take down his enemies.

It may be true, it may not, but the timing is surely convenient.

No doubt somewhere in Moscow or Mar-a-puko people are pouring over anything related to Mueller

Scorched earth, baby!

[quartz007]

47. May not be true, but seriousness of charge

makes it necessary to investigate.

[rurallib]

55. yes - didn't say it didn't

just that so much of this - like Franken and Spitzer - is just such good luck for Trump one has to wonder if Trump and his crazies didn't help make it happen.

Which is why I say, he may just be even more lucky when someone makes a charge against Mueller. And I am willing to bet some of the scummiest bastards in the world are digging deep. Maybe a little of that laundered money could help loosen some lips.

Pardon me for being skeptical, but gee old Trumpy is lucky.

[quartz007]

68. Anyone who survives 4 bankruptcies, multiple divorces

countless extra-marital affairs and wins the presidency is unbelievable luck. He has to be the luckiest bastard alive.

[PoliticAverse]

98. He's certainly beyond the standard deviation. n/t

[Deb]

46. I don't care. I'm a NY voter and I. Don't. Care.

Call the cops, file a report, get charges brought and make it stick. Gossip like this won't fly here, gotta make it real girlfriends.

[Dawson Leery]

52. There needs to be a real investigation.

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[oberliner]

64. This response is disturbing

[Deb]

83. I don't care.

[flibbitygiblets]

114. Yeah who cares about a bunch of broads getting slapped around?

I bet lots of Trump voters said the same thing.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

88. What the fuck is this shit here.

Christ, listen to yourself.

[fountainofyouth]

102. Please read the story

He is a dangerous person.

[Jedi Guy]

132. Yeah...

Who cares if this guy beats on women? As long as he's on our team and he goes after Trump, it's okay, amirite?

[demmiblue]

169. That is fucked up. n/t

[helmedon1974]

57. Of course they do. He's the one that will bring RICCO charges

against Trump and his associates. It's preemptive and likely Rudy's idea.

[JI7]

65. Others who become nyag can do it also.

[LanternWaste]

175. What specifically leads you to believe no other can do the same?

What specifically leads you to believe no other can do the same?

[oberliner]

58. Absolutely awful

Glad that these women have the courage to speak out.

[dhol82]

70. Oh, get a grip.

Bet you were all behind the Al Franken ouster.

[oberliner]

74. These women have been they had been choked and hit repeatedly by this man

To the point of requiring medical attention.

[madville]

77. I doubt many defending this have actually read the entire article and his statements

He won't be in office by the end of the month, he'll be forced to resign.

[dhol82]

84. How about we wait to see evidence

The move against Franken was reactive to ratfucking.
Let’s see where this ends up.
The left seems to want to destroy much more readily than the right.

[madville]

85. It's breaking now that the NY Governor is calling for him to resign

He's cooked.

[dhol82]

87. Sounds like a Franken op.

[brooklynite]

80. BREAKING: Governor Cuomo to call for Schneiderman's resignation (per MSNBC)

[PoliticAverse]

100. Not surprising, no love lost between those two....

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/nyregion/cuomo-and-schneiderman-prepare-to-fight-over-jpmorgan-settlement.html

[Cattledog]

81. He will be gone by the end of the week.

The evidence in the article appears to be overwhelming.

[madville]

89. Yeah, this isn't from some right-wing Twitter feed

It is well vetted and very credible. Seeing the current reaction I'll be surprised if he is still around by COB tomorrow.

[tblue37]

153. He has already resigned. nt

[fleabiscuit]

92. I wonder if I need to start an online worry-stone store for DU'ers? nt

[kimbutgar]

93. Roger Stone and those Israeli mud diggers at work

Wasn’t Eric Considered a successor to Cuomo?

How come Democrats have to go but rethugs get to stay? Twitler has probably did far worst.

[PoliticAverse]

101. Actually Schneiderman was considering challenging Cuomo, the two have been repeatedly at odds...

over the years.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

161. Because you can't be the party that supports women if you gloss over

shit like this.

[kimbutgar]

165. Actually that was my first reaction upon hearing the news

As more info came out I found he was a slime ball. Unfortunately he was one of our warriors against Twitler who is silenced now.

[hay rick]

99. Yuck.

I am in the innocent until proven guilty camp, but this looks bad. I presume that the Trump/Manafort investigations continue, with or without Schneiderman.

[LenaBaby61]

105. I presume that the Trump/Manafort investigations continue, with or without Schneiderman.

One would HOPE so.

[Glimmer of Hope]

104. Before posting to this thread, can you at least read the article?

It is a vetted article co-written by a Pulitzer prize winner. NOT fake news.

[Tumbulu]

108. yes, it is

and I find the apologists utterly disgusting!

I hope he does step down.

[Hortensis]

109. Unfortunately, this is a WEDGE issue, positions taken long ago.

Except for the professional agitators among us, we are all seen as both weapons to be aimed and fired and ground to be captured in the giant battle waging for power in this country.

Bang, bang, all in the circular firing squad fall down.

COUNTDOWN TO MIDTERMS: 182 days.

NEXT BIG PRIMARIES: Tomorrow!

[Tumbulu]

116. balony

read the article before defending him. it certainly does not appear to be right wing hit job.

[Hortensis]

147. I'm not defending or accusing ANYONE, Tumbulu,

except the kind of people who take angry, cemented positions and launch into battle instead of merely expressing reasonable, honest beliefs and support based on current information.

This isn't really a post-truth world, just that too many are acting as if they're living in one.

[hlthe2b]

113. You have to give people a chance to read it. For many here this thread was first word of issue.

For me, who is not yet home but posting on an iphone, I have had no opportunity to read YET.

So jumping to conclusions either way is inappropriate until I've had that chance. But so too is demonizing everyone who is not yet willing to conclude one way or the other because they haven't had the opportunity YET to read it.

And, no, it is NOT appropriate to DEMAND no one post to a breaking news thread any first impressions prior to reading the article. Certainly over the course of the next few hours and in other threads, yes, but these derisive posts towards those not yet ready to embrace a lynch mob are just wrong.

[Tumbulu]

118. before commenting, you should read it

why would you comment without reading it? Seriously?

[hlthe2b]

121. BREAKING NEWS... just as I am sure YOU have posted first impressions many times

AND it is none of your business nor appropriate in any way to tell other DUERS when and how they should post.

[karin_sj]

115. Reading this headline really made my heart sink

I've always thought so highly of him. He was like a hero to me for all that he's done for the little guy. But I have a bad feeling about this.

[PoliticAverse]

133. Schneiderman announces his resignation...

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/statement-attorney-general-eric-t-schneiderman

“It’s been my great honor and privilege to serve as Attorney General for the people of the State of New York. In the last several hours, serious allegations, which I strongly contest, have been made against me. While these allegations are unrelated to my professional conduct or the operations of the office, they will effectively prevent me from leading the office’s work at this critical time. I therefore resign my office, effective at the close of business on May 8, 2018.”

[FailureToCommunicate]

134. BREAKING NEWS: He has resigned effective tomorrow

[DonCoquixote]

137. in case anybody thinks is just about kink

There are people who engage in BDSM, HOWEVER, the mantra of those who practice that is SAFE, SANE, CONSENSUAL, meaning that whoever does this never lets any of the action get into something where someone was actually in danger. If this person tries to claim there was consent involved, there can and will be any number of bdsm practitioners of all genders (especially in New York), who could gladly puncture that balloon, asking him simple things like "Ok, did you establish a safeword before you played?" Most of the more reputable BDSM clubs would not allow the stuff shown in "50 shades"because it was clear Mr.Grey did not give a damned about the consent of his sub, which meant he would be on a list of people to not let in, and to call the cops if the guy did not want to leave. Part of the whole reason clubs like that were formed is so that if some asshole tried to ignore the safe sane consensual business, they could be tied up in a way not arousing them, and left waiting for the police, which of course, scared people away who did not want their co workers or church goers to know what they did on a Saturday night.

In short, of this guy keeps screaming "it was consent" bring in the NYC bdsm community who will make him look like a fool.

[yardwork]

138. This has nothing to do with BDSM. He attacks people when he's drunk and angry.

Read the article. He attacked his girlfriend while they were fully clothed, not engaging in sex. He smacked her across the face so hard it burst her eardrum. Then he strangled her.

He attacked another woman when she rebuffed his sexual advance.

The stories sound credible. The women told people at the time. There are pictures of the marks he left on their faces.

[DonCoquixote]

141. I am just saying

If he claims this is BDSM (as sadly many rapists do) then that is an illusion that can be easily dispelled.

[yardwork]

142. I understand. In his case, I think he literally believes that he can do anything he wants.

[LisaL]

148. And here I thought that S in BDSM stands for sadism.

[RhodeIslandOne]

140. Bullshit!!!!!

What a coincidence!!!!!

[mountain grammy]

145. I heard a funny comedian say

Too many of my heroes have dicks of clay

[brooklynite]

150. One of the accusers was Schneiderman's 2-year girlfriend...

DEFINITELY a Roger Stone op...right?

[DeminPennswoods]

151. Who, according to her account in the New Yorker,

broke up and reconcilled with him 3 times. If a man hits a woman the first time they're together, the only thing to say is "good-bye".

No doubt, the article reads badly for Schneiderman, but it's only the women's side and description of events. Schneiderman certainly deserves his day in court. It was also the correct decision to resign.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

162. And now we're attacking abused women.

Welcome to DU in 2018.

[get the red out]

152. Justice needs to be served for these women if true

But I guess never for women abused by Trump. I guess he really has become king.

[SkatmanRoth]

156. Sounds like the Republicans have been holding these charges in reserve for a while

They needed time to coach the women on how to have the greatest effect in presentation and then coordinated the charges to come out at the same time. No doubt the Republicans will simply discard the women one the desired political damage has been achieved.

I would expect there are more bombshells hidden from view that will be dropped as the mid terms get closer. The Republicans are the dirtiest players in politics and have been for decades.

[yardwork]

158. Nonsense.

[brooklynite]

171. Right...because it's hard to describe being slapped and choked.

[apnu]

168. I read through the whole article. I recommend others do as well before reacting

There's a lot of comments in this thread that are way off and showing ignorance to the New Yorker piece. Read it before reacting and then react to what you read, not what you think the headline and brief here says.

For the record. I'm glad these women came forward and this man exposed. He needs to be removed from office and Democratic circles and he needs years of help to straighten his ass out, and then he can make amends.

[laserhaas]

173. Concur! Doesn't matter if the Repubs drove this outing

If he assaulted them, as the evidence details - he is an abuser, of a heinous kind.

Hope the New Yorker details Trump's abuse - equally

[apnu]

176. yeah, doesn't matter how this story came about.

But I haven't seen any Republican finger prints here unless they own the New Yorker.

[laserhaas]

178. One always has to worry, about who owns media

But, regardless, the fact the victims told others, is proof undeniable.

If he did threaten further abuse, via his power as public servant (due to his - out of control - behavior) he should be prosecuted.

[ellenrr]

184. anyone who knows the work of Jane Mayer would not question the veracity of the article.

Looking for the trump hand in this is just blurring the point.
The real point is, He was one of the good guys!!
That is what makes my head explode.
Everything he did publicly ( that I know of) was correct.

And beneath he is a controller, a predator of the worse kind....

[Izzy Blue]

181. " Metro Cuomo appoints Nassau County DA to investigate Schneiderman"

snips:

"Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Tuesday appointed Nassau County DA Madeline Singas to investigate ousted Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and his alleged violent mistreatment of several women."


"In addition to investigating the specific allegations outlined against Schneiderman in the article, the Special Prosecutor shall investigate facts in the article suggesting that the Attorney General staff and office resources may have been used to facilitate alleged abusive liaisons referenced in the article,” according to Cuomo."


https://nypost.com/2018/05/08/cuomo-appoints-nassau-county-da-to-investigate-schneiderman/

[laserhaas]

183. If the allegations have even the slightest merit

The investigation is warranted

[laserhaas]

186. Farrow on TV

Link to tweet