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highplainsdem

(49,006 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:40 PM Aug 2012

RNC Official: N.M. Governor ‘Dishonored’ Gen. Custer By Meeting With American Indians

Source: TPM

A progressive group called on Republican National Committee leader Pat Rogers to step down on Friday after emails showed him telling New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez’s staff that meeting with a group of American Indians “dishonored” Gen. George Armstrong Custer, the 19th century commander who killed scores of American Indians.

“The state is going to hell,” Rogers, who is a member of the GOP executive committee and is currently in Tampa for the RNC convention, wrote in a June 8 email released by Progress Now New Mexico. Former Republican gubernatorial candidate Col. Allen Weh “would not have dishonored Col Custer in this manner,” he wrote.

Martinez is required by law to attend the annual state-tribal leaders summit, according to Progress Now New Mexico, which called for him to step down.

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RNC Official: N.M. Governor ‘Dishonored’ Gen. Custer By Meeting With American Indians (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2012 OP
Good Gawd... Someone get the straight jackets. hlthe2b Aug 2012 #1
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #37
sweet shit. I'm living in a parallel dimension roguevalley Aug 2012 #46
I had the identical same phrased reaction. Good Gawd. yardwork Aug 2012 #51
Custer made one of the Berlin Expat Aug 2012 #118
That's almost exactly what one of my professors said LibertyLover Aug 2012 #145
Non just a voice...leadership positions, no less. CanonRay Aug 2012 #119
Repukes think we should honor generals committing genocide - it IS insane wordpix Aug 2012 #127
Way to win the Native American vote. NOT! valerief Aug 2012 #2
They've been suppressing their vote for years, they don't care. freshwest Aug 2012 #13
Hey, wait a sec... Eugenian Aug 2012 #3
And everyone and everything around him jmowreader Aug 2012 #115
Custer never had any honor to dis Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #120
Don't know if you're still checking this thread jerryster Aug 2012 #140
exactly what century do these mentally ill folks think they are in?????????? lunasun Aug 2012 #4
That's what I was thinking...just bizarre. The whole party's full of wackadoodles. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #9
exactly kardonb Aug 2012 #42
Why does so much real journalism sound like The Onion journalism?? Siwsan Aug 2012 #5
So much journalism sounds like the Onion... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #32
The Battle of the Little Bighorn was in Montana. tclambert Aug 2012 #61
I'm very familiar with Custer's crimes and their locations. Hence the confused comment. Siwsan Aug 2012 #85
"Difficile est saturam non scribere." (It is difficult not to write satire) Juvenal (60-130). Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #84
More Wine. Cheers! Karmasue Aug 2012 #94
Oh for cripes sake. drm604 Aug 2012 #6
Pretty danged hard to dishonor...... DeSwiss Aug 2012 #7
No, this is the WHITE makes RIGHT faction. He wants her to break the law of N.M. to dishonor natives freshwest Aug 2012 #18
Goddam illegal immigrants! tclambert Aug 2012 #62
Hell, yeah! All the natives took a look at the boats and said 'There goes the neighborhood!' freshwest Aug 2012 #65
let's make a RETROACTIVE law against illegal immigrants flyingfysh Aug 2012 #114
Ah, yes. Of course they're not so much a faction..... DeSwiss Aug 2012 #68
All of the Republicans are NUTS! n/t Tx4obama Aug 2012 #8
Oh my god. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #10
Wishful thinkg but not a chance. avebury Aug 2012 #60
is there a parallel universe that i don`t know about? madrchsod Aug 2012 #11
There is, inside your Colon formercia Aug 2012 #47
Bwahahahahaaaaa... txwhitedove Aug 2012 #72
You're a jewel! HCE SuiGeneris Aug 2012 #80
I have always xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #110
Perpendicular ThoughtCriminal Aug 2012 #64
Astonishing. silverweb Aug 2012 #12
Rush gave them permission. It's like the fifties. Sickening. freshwest Aug 2012 #69
"Sickening" is putting it mildly. silverweb Aug 2012 #70
I read some of the stories on kpete's rape thread last night and today I thought about it. The ones freshwest Aug 2012 #73
Yea but 1850's? Shankapotomus Aug 2012 #88
When one has no honor, it's hard to dishonor them. He was a murderer. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2012 #14
just more internet meme reinforcement... alterfurz Aug 2012 #15
Oooh, thanx. I steal now. freshwest Aug 2012 #66
Yes Republicans are racists riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #16
Custer deserved what he got. yellerpup Aug 2012 #17
Agreed. He definitely deserved what he got. RebelOne Aug 2012 #34
they are Nuts !god help us april Aug 2012 #19
Custer is an American disgrace - Smilo Aug 2012 #20
Even by the standards, such as they are, lately... wow. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #21
Dead in 1876, rumored to have an Indian wife and father of two from that. MichiganVote Aug 2012 #22
We're not allowed to talk to Indians now? wryter2000 Aug 2012 #23
Is Oh Susana secretly becoming a liberal,,,ooooohhhhh. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2012 #24
"Is someone trying to reverse a Custer Decision?!" Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #25
That was the most entertaining portrayal of Custer ever! dflprincess Aug 2012 #71
Yeah they want a Gelatto stand instead. whistler162 Aug 2012 #123
This is just more proof that Republicans are big time bigots and racists. Lint Head Aug 2012 #26
and will eat their own (Susana Martinez-R) lunasun Aug 2012 #56
Her name ends with -z. Iggo Aug 2012 #141
I guess Native Americans are not citizens Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #27
Was there a day Lebam in LA Aug 2012 #28
Fuck you, Pat Rogers catbyte Aug 2012 #29
Brava. Well said ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2012 #45
Amen. We are still here. We are still strong. We will be here when the haters are dust. part man all 86 Aug 2012 #57
... and the horse you rode in on... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #99
Image of the email here: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #30
someone should tell him the Indian Wars are over Enrique Aug 2012 #31
I swear, I have facepalmed so many times this week I've raised a knot. nolabear Aug 2012 #33
They wanna refight Civil War, ... no surprise they wanna refight Custer's Last Stand :rolleyes: Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #35
As long as they get to be Custer... Nevernose Aug 2012 #67
Hehehe! freshwest Aug 2012 #106
Good Gawd I really cannot believe I am reading this story. indivisibleman Aug 2012 #36
THe Party of No Peace Treaty elbloggoZY27 Aug 2012 #38
What A Tool! And Furthermore Vogon_Glory Aug 2012 #39
Welcome to the True Bizarro World LongTomH Aug 2012 #40
Custer? brush Aug 2012 #41
Not The Onion? caseymoz Aug 2012 #43
And Susana La Tejana is no prize herself...Tea-partier/Sarah Palin endorsed... abq e streeter Aug 2012 #44
OK, give him a prime time speaking slot at the convention. Faygo Kid Aug 2012 #48
Do y'all think that these nuts (or perceived nuts) sit around and think of the most ludicrous Hestia Aug 2012 #49
Old Custard dishonored himself. jwirr Aug 2012 #50
Someone PLEASE make a commercial of these assholes Politicalboi Aug 2012 #52
........... obxhead Aug 2012 #53
The GOP is like al Qeada, they never stop fighting old battles. liberal N proud Aug 2012 #54
By that "logic," wasn't George Washington "dishonored" thucythucy Aug 2012 #55
Will some Repugnant please disavow this guy! Dustlawyer Aug 2012 #58
Custer was the living embodiment of DISHONOR for his genocidal crusade kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #59
He says that as if dishonoring that POS were a bad thing. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #63
maybe the GOP is going to make native Americans the it top scapegoat... yurbud Aug 2012 #74
We get it, GOP; you're a bunch of racist assholes. Frank Cannon Aug 2012 #75
Ironic. liberalmuse Aug 2012 #76
Good Lord. What is wrong with these people? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #77
As I can remember reading Third Doctor Aug 2012 #78
His Crow Scouts knew how large the Village was Wraith20878 Aug 2012 #109
"Dishonored General Custer"? Arkana Aug 2012 #79
I thought he was dishonored by losing embarrassingly badly? CreekDog Aug 2012 #81
I invite Rogers to tell that to this guy's face. If he has the guts to match his piehole. Monk06 Aug 2012 #82
So Pat lives in the 1800s? sakabatou Aug 2012 #83
Onion or real headline? I truly though Onion. Just when I thought myrna minx Aug 2012 #86
Custer was a murderer Shankapotomus Aug 2012 #87
If Mitt Romney had personal courage... sofa king Aug 2012 #89
Not to mention Columbus, Cortez, Pizzarro, and all the other heroic conquerors Coyotl Aug 2012 #90
Republicans are different from past racists in the sense that Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #122
Speaking of dishonor and Custer somebody should tell him about the Battle of Washita River Botany Aug 2012 #91
To begin with, anyone with a sense of history wants to dishonor Custer, just like we want to grantcart Aug 2012 #92
Custer was a genocidal maniac WestWisconsinDem Aug 2012 #93
Good grief PD Turk Aug 2012 #95
Bluster's Last Stand. beac Aug 2012 #96
right.... with drums beating and all in a nice neat line WestWisconsinDem Aug 2012 #98
You mean General Custer, the narsissist psychopathic? MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #97
col allen wehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh frylock Aug 2012 #100
"Let us never forget Custer's heroism at The Alamo in downtown Albuquerque during the War of 1812!" struggle4progress Aug 2012 #101
Was that not right before The Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? Sherman A1 Aug 2012 #116
let him go... WestWisconsinDem Aug 2012 #137
Guess he hasn't heard the Floyd Westerman song Lifelong Protester Aug 2012 #102
They should like the video here: freshwest Aug 2012 #107
Thank you, Freshwest Lifelong Protester Aug 2012 #108
I'll edit it. And I've been to a lot of pow wows and they did more for me than church. freshwest Aug 2012 #112
I can't breath....... glinda Aug 2012 #103
Onion? Mad Magazine? Perez Hilton? aquart Aug 2012 #104
Support Opposition to Rogers But No Support for Martinez LarryNM Aug 2012 #105
custer comes pre-dishonored. nt arely staircase Aug 2012 #111
*looks at link to see if it is from The Onion* ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #113
"By talking to the Indians, it reminds everyone of our failure to complete the genocide yurbud Aug 2012 #124
What Do You Expect Axiomat Aug 2012 #117
What is different here? treestar Aug 2012 #121
Using That Logic DallasNE Aug 2012 #125
Romney Hosts Tribal Leader Fundraiser (article from Indian country) wordpix Aug 2012 #126
The crazies keep coming out. radicalliberal Aug 2012 #128
When I first heard of this I thought is was from the Onion. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #129
Yup tama Aug 2012 #130
Native Americans Serve In The Military At Higher Rates Than Any Other Ethinic Group mikekohr Aug 2012 #131
I just discovered that Allen Weh was born in Salem, Oregon, the town I grew up in. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #132
UH...why would anybody HONOR General Custer? Ken Burch Aug 2012 #133
Is some rich guy paying the GOP to be this stupid? McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #134
There are lots of wealthy rabid weasels Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2012 #135
It amazes this Cherokee that the RNC offends everyone but the white man sarcasmo Aug 2012 #136
Locking -- The Onion is not an acceptable source for LBN. Please re-post in Comedy. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #138
Has the thrilla from Wasilla weighed in yet? Historic NY Aug 2012 #139
Custer did not "dishonor himself" as so many here post. Many, many people failed him. ieoeja Aug 2012 #142
I would recommend you read "Archaeology, History and Custer's Last Battle" by Richard Allen Fox Jr mikekohr Aug 2012 #143
Here is a thumbnail on George A. Custer mikekohr Aug 2012 #144

hlthe2b

(102,304 posts)
1. Good Gawd... Someone get the straight jackets.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:42 PM
Aug 2012

HOnest to Gawd, I thought this was the ONION. How is it possible that these insane factions have a voice in our National politics?

yardwork

(61,670 posts)
51. I had the identical same phrased reaction. Good Gawd.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:14 PM
Aug 2012

Custer dishonored himself and his legacy all by himself.

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
118. Custer made one of the
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 09:59 AM
Aug 2012

biggest tactical blunders in American military history, and he (rightly) paid with his life.

This was exactly how my father explained it to me when I was a kid. Or, as my dad put it, "Custer was an arrogant prima donna sonofabitch who got exactly what was coming to him."

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
145. That's almost exactly what one of my professors said
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:03 AM
Aug 2012

about Custer when I was working on a Masters in Military History. He was right of course, as was your dad. Dishonored indeed - that's pretty darned hard to do when the party in question is George Armstrong Custer.

CanonRay

(14,106 posts)
119. Non just a voice...leadership positions, no less.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:18 AM
Aug 2012

The crazy and teh stupid have floated to the top. Like pond scum.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
120. Custer never had any honor to dis
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
Aug 2012

He was a conceited, incompetent egomaniac and racist.

Crazy Horse had more honor and nobility in his little finger than Custer had in his entire being.

jerryster

(715 posts)
140. Don't know if you're still checking this thread
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:37 AM
Aug 2012

Shelby Foote wrote of Custer that his love of combat was exceeded only by his ache for glory. However, Foote also wrote of Custer's courage (he feared nothing) and his efforts during the Civil War. Custer LED his troops into battle, performed more than admirably at Gettysburg and was relied on by no less a presence than Phil Sheridan. And Custer fought for the Union so that's honor for me.

Siwsan

(26,276 posts)
5. Why does so much real journalism sound like The Onion journalism??
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:44 PM
Aug 2012

And, how the hell can anyone 'dishonor' Custer. I think he did a pretty good job of doing that to himself.

This twerp is confused about who lived in New Mexico, FIRST??? And Custer didn't fight in New Mexico????

I need more wine. A LOT more wine.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
61. The Battle of the Little Bighorn was in Montana.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:50 PM
Aug 2012

Custer fought for the North in the Civil War, then served in Kansas and the Dakota Territory in the "Indian Wars." He was never near New Mexico.

Siwsan

(26,276 posts)
85. I'm very familiar with Custer's crimes and their locations. Hence the confused comment.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:40 AM
Aug 2012

Unfortunately, typing doesn't reflect inflection.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,013 posts)
84. "Difficile est saturam non scribere." (It is difficult not to write satire) Juvenal (60-130).
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:36 AM
Aug 2012

It's also difficult to write satire when so much news sounds like it, as you say. Hard to for satire to compete with the news when there are so many uneducated ignorant people running around and running and running things.

Karmasue

(95 posts)
94. More Wine. Cheers!
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:36 AM
Aug 2012

I feel that way more and more these days.....



What?
no wine smiley? Awww man.

*sigh*

drm604

(16,230 posts)
6. Oh for cripes sake.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:44 PM
Aug 2012

The real world is more and more like an Onion article. This is a friggin RNC leader.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
7. Pretty danged hard to dishonor......
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:45 PM
Aug 2012

...a mass-murderer.

- This must be one of those Republicans who were educationally ''left-behind.''

K&R

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. No, this is the WHITE makes RIGHT faction. He wants her to break the law of N.M. to dishonor natives
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:56 PM
Aug 2012

Just like the GOP supports those who bomb abortion clinics, kill gays and rape women. Same mentality that wanted to ship all blacks back to Africa, shoot Mexicans at the border, etc.

They don't like the laws, so they are going to break them until they have no meaning whatsoever. And the Governor ought to reconsider her political party affiliation, too.

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
114. let's make a RETROACTIVE law against illegal immigrants
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:11 PM
Aug 2012

And make it retroactive by something over 500 years. Then those English, Germans, Spanish, Italians, Irish, etc would have to return, and we (peoples such as Choctaws, Cherokee, Sioux, etc, etc) could get the place back and live without these invaders.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
68. Ah, yes. Of course they're not so much a faction.....
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:26 PM
Aug 2012

...as they are a cancerous growth. And mainstream Repukes would love to cut that growth off their body, just as long as they could still get their votes somehow.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
60. Wishful thinkg but not a chance.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:41 PM
Aug 2012

Okies would vote for Hitler and Stalin if they were alive and on the Republican ticket.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
11. is there a parallel universe that i don`t know about?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:50 PM
Aug 2012

custer`s battle was`t in new mexico,custer was an idiot,and i thought the Indian Wars were over.

formercia

(18,479 posts)
47. There is, inside your Colon
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:34 PM
Aug 2012

You can only see it if you stick your head in there and wait for your Anus to reduce the blood flow to your Brain and you begin to see Stars.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
12. Astonishing.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:50 PM
Aug 2012

[font color="green" face="Verdana"]These ignorant goons don't even try to hide their hatreds anymore, do they?



silverweb

(16,402 posts)
70. "Sickening" is putting it mildly.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:49 PM
Aug 2012

[font color="green" face="Verdana"]Utterly shameful. They're shameless.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
73. I read some of the stories on kpete's rape thread last night and today I thought about it. The ones
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:00 AM
Aug 2012

Who commited those crimes on so many people and got away with it are still out there. They have got something bad wrong with them. Just think about all that walking among us every day.

They are just as proud as the KKK who killed those innocent little girls in the church in Birmingham. Those of that mentality have not repented, they have not grown. Their way of thinking and living is what we are seeing exposed now.

It's mortifying to know nothing of the history of the last half century or more moved their hearts. This is a huge problem. And by sickening I mean, their filth is on us all now. And they are committed to it.

I remember when I first heard Rush on the airways in the early 1990s. He had that much too familiar, swarmy tone of voice as the old time KKK and CoCC had back in the day. They have not reformed but the fact that there is a black man in the White House brought them out of their lairs.

We were deluded into thinking they had changed. And that's a long time there.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
17. Custer deserved what he got.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:53 PM
Aug 2012

As far as dishonor is concerned, he did that to himself, starting at West Point where he graduated last in his class. Way to rock the NDN vote!

Not to mention being a genocidal maniac.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
20. Custer is an American disgrace -
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:57 PM
Aug 2012

he is responsible for the slaughter of innocent children, women and men, including the men under his command.

As for meeting with Native Americans - it was their country before the white man set foot here - the Canadians have it right by calling Native Americans - First Nation.

Why is the GOPT so full of asswipes?

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
22. Dead in 1876, rumored to have an Indian wife and father of two from that.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:02 PM
Aug 2012

According to Indian oral lore, said to have been felled by a woman.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
23. We're not allowed to talk to Indians now?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:06 PM
Aug 2012

They kept us alive when we first got here. For crying out loud!

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
24. Is Oh Susana secretly becoming a liberal,,,ooooohhhhh.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:07 PM
Aug 2012

Custer did the real dishonoring, he dishonored life, just as the gop dishonors life. Crazy bastards!

dflprincess

(28,080 posts)
71. That was the most entertaining portrayal of Custer ever!
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:55 PM
Aug 2012

And probably closer to the truth than the history books ever told us.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
27. I guess Native Americans are not citizens
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:14 PM
Aug 2012

according to republicans


A new reality show: Stupidest Republican ....... so many contestants, so little time

catbyte

(34,412 posts)
29. Fuck you, Pat Rogers
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:14 PM
Aug 2012

Custer had it coming. Along with all the other God's Will Manifest Destiny bastards who tried to genocide my ancestors, but we're still here, shithead.

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
99. ... and the horse you rode in on...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:48 AM
Aug 2012

... though, that noble beast had nothing to say about what you did!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
30. Image of the email here:
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:21 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.progressnownm.org/blog/2012/08/progressnow-patrogers.html

It call the governor (and, since it's in the plural, her staff - or perhaps the people who passed the law saying this yearly summit is compulsory) "Quislings, French surrender monkeys, secret supporters (all along) of JAJ"

'JAJ' being a Republican Congressional candidate that he apparently doesn't like. So, as ProgressNow says, "In a single line, Rogers manages to offend the French, Norwegians, his own party's congressional nominee and Native Americans".

This really does sound like a man off his meds. What next - a call to break diplomatic relations with Canada over the War of 1812? Rallying the South to rise again in favour of slavery?

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
31. someone should tell him the Indian Wars are over
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:23 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:07 PM - Edit history (1)

the white man won, he can relax.

edit: the email appears to be a joke. After Googling him, it seems Pat Rogers is not a mentally ill person that believes the Native Americans are the enemy, he is a loudmouth lawyer and GOP operative that thinks he is funny.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
33. I swear, I have facepalmed so many times this week I've raised a knot.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:32 PM
Aug 2012

If they're trying to just render us speechless and disoriented by the constant barrage of unimaginably primitive statements in recent memory they're doing a fine job of it by me.

indivisibleman

(482 posts)
36. Good Gawd I really cannot believe I am reading this story.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:53 PM
Aug 2012

Custer dishonored himself by carrying out this stupid errand.
Can we please leave issues from the 1800s in the past now?
This is the 21st century and I would hope that our government and the Native Americans will have learned by now how to work out better more amicable relations.
Again, this is further proof that today's GOP lives in the 18th and 19th century.

 

elbloggoZY27

(283 posts)
38. THe Party of No Peace Treaty
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:01 PM
Aug 2012

Wow! This is really revisionist baloney. The land that the Indians lived on for centuries here in North America was stolen from them.

Vogon_Glory

(9,122 posts)
39. What A Tool! And Furthermore
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:06 PM
Aug 2012

What a tool! Does Rogers think that New Mexico is a re-fried Dixiecrat enclave with a lot of "furriners" and a handful of white guys?

And furthermore, as embarrassing as it may be for us DU'ers, Custer had been planning to run for President in 1876 on the Democratic ticket. Pat Rogers would have been smarter to keep his big bazoo quiet about the skeleton rattling around in the other party's closet.

Another reason to vote against Tea-publican bozos (As if we didn't have multitudes of reasons to vote against them already).

brush

(53,794 posts)
41. Custer?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:09 PM
Aug 2012

Can they get any crazier than that? George Custer, the one filled with hubris who thought he could defeat a force ten times the size of the one he commanded, is being dishonored? Hah! Custer dishonored himself with his foolish miscalculation. The repugs have really gone off the deep end by dredging up 140-year-old incidents to criticize a sitting governor doing her duty. And she's a Republican. Good God! Where do they get these foolish men to put in such high positions.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
43. Not The Onion?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:11 PM
Aug 2012

If not, The Onion staff writers must have infiltrated Carl Rove's staff, or some other chief strategist. This is truly stupefying. Is there any non-white ethnicity Repubs aren't going to offend before November?

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
44. And Susana La Tejana is no prize herself...Tea-partier/Sarah Palin endorsed...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:21 PM
Aug 2012

And still apparently not right wing enough for some republiCONS

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
49. Do y'all think that these nuts (or perceived nuts) sit around and think of the most ludicrous
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:56 PM
Aug 2012

just in order to get their name in the media and out front to their fellow nuts? Think on it - good scotch, cigars, and the "brainstorming" session begins. They get drunk and everything sticks and they run with it. No press is bad press school of thought? Seriously, now this shit does sound made up and they do have their toadies reporting back, for ill or for good. The entire GOP could not have flunked 9th grade history unless "they" are actively combing the backwoods ala Deliverance looking for every grade school dropout.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
52. Someone PLEASE make a commercial of these assholes
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:16 PM
Aug 2012

This guy, Atkin, Allen West, Bachmann. It may have to go further than a commercial.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
53. ...........
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:18 PM
Aug 2012


Really? Custer?

I really don't think an emoticon can properly express my opinion on this one.

thucythucy

(8,080 posts)
55. By that "logic," wasn't George Washington "dishonored"
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:22 PM
Aug 2012

when Mittens went to London to meet the British?

This HAS to be a spoof. I mean really, Custer?? CUSTER???

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
59. Custer was the living embodiment of DISHONOR for his genocidal crusade
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:39 PM
Aug 2012

against Native Americans. He needs to have his citizenship revoked retroactively.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
74. maybe the GOP is going to make native Americans the it top scapegoat...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:05 AM
Aug 2012

they'll run on finishing the ethnic cleansing started by Columbus and continued through the trail of tears, the sand creek massacre, and wounded knee.

People have mostly figured out muslims aren't the super booger man conservatives claimed they were, so it's time to go back to an old stand by.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
75. We get it, GOP; you're a bunch of racist assholes.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:16 AM
Aug 2012

You don't have to keep demonstrating it on a daily basis. We know.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
76. Ironic.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:19 AM
Aug 2012

The Republicans are acting just like their hero. They know they're going down, so they want to destroy as many innocents as they can before they let out what the foresee as their last cry and fall to their death.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
78. As I can remember reading
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:27 AM
Aug 2012

I think Custer was killed while trying to attack a village he thought was populated by mostly women and children (what he did in the past). He had no idea about the size of the village he encountered. He charged in without support(being a glory hound) as usual and came up against a far larger enemy than he anticpated. As a child I bought into the Custer's Last Stand Stuff but as I learned more as a adult I think Custer was hardly heroic. Anyone who would attack villages of old people and children deserves what they get no matter whose flag the wave.

Wraith20878

(181 posts)
109. His Crow Scouts knew how large the Village was
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:21 PM
Aug 2012

Custer chose not to listen to them. Moreover he decided to split his command into four different groups, that were sent into different directions for the attack on the village.These groups were then to far apart to support each other once the battle turned south for the 7th cavalry. His subordinates had no idea what Custer's plan was, if he had one at all. So Custer's 600 men were split into four groups to face a force of 1800-3000 angry warriors. The group under Custer's immediate command was wiped out, and the other groups were lucky to escape.

After the massacre at the Washita, a Cheyenne medicine man told Custer that if he ever fought the Cheyenne again, he would be killed. There were Cheyenne at the Village on the Little Big Horn.

American folklore made the battle out to be "Custer's Last Stand," when in reality it was more likely "Custer's last panicked retreat."

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
86. Onion or real headline? I truly though Onion. Just when I thought
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:12 AM
Aug 2012

"Nah, they can't be *that* crazy" I'm proven wrong once again.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
87. Custer was a murderer
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:32 AM
Aug 2012

What a colossal disconnect. Rogers should step down. I wish he could be deported too. Asshole.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
89. If Mitt Romney had personal courage...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:53 AM
Aug 2012

.... He could have been George Custer. Narcissistic, sociopathic, user of terroristic practices, targeter of women and children, willing to sacrifice the lives of his men for personal aggrandizement, and also incompetent, opaque, and unable to properly assess the strengths of his enemy.

Custer died while defying orders, specifically so that he could win a massacre and take the "general's path" to the White House in 1880, a nakedly political maneuver designed to put him one battle ahead of all the other Union War heroes who were lining up to win the Republican nomination (like for example Rutherford Hayes, who would steal the election of 1876, then Garfield, Arthur, Harrison, and McKinley, who were all generals or colonels).

In the back of every good American's mind, there should be a small urge to piss on Custer's unmarked grave, because he represents virtually everything that was wrong with the Gilded Age. It's all the easier to see now that we're in the Second Gilded Age.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
90. Not to mention Columbus, Cortez, Pizzarro, and all the other heroic conquerors
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:54 AM
Aug 2012

There is still an active front in the War on Natives in the Amazon, and no one should talk to the enemy

Seriously, it often seems the Rs are no different than past racists responsible for the genocide of 60 million Americans. When will they learn?

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
122. Republicans are different from past racists in the sense that
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:06 PM
Aug 2012

they're usually less overt about it. Back in the day, folks openly admitted that they hated you for the color of your skin and they felt as if you're inferior to them. Many of today's conservatives smile in your face and then do stuff like go on the Internet later and voice obscenities. Meanwhile, the politicians themselves want to shrink our democracy via voter ID laws, and are quick to deny any racial intentions despite minorities being disproportionately targeted.

Botany

(70,524 posts)
91. Speaking of dishonor and Custer somebody should tell him about the Battle of Washita River
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:19 AM
Aug 2012



Do these jack wagons even think before they speak?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
92. To begin with, anyone with a sense of history wants to dishonor Custer, just like we want to
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:12 AM
Aug 2012

dishonor Benedict Arnold.
 

WestWisconsinDem

(127 posts)
93. Custer was a genocidal maniac
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:24 AM
Aug 2012

...and he got exactly what he had coming. A murderer and blundering idiot... his defeat saved countless native people. So, of course the teabagger jackass wants to remember him with honor. He needs a history lesson from some of my Lakota family members.

PD Turk

(1,289 posts)
95. Good grief
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:02 AM
Aug 2012

I was getting excited for a minute, when I read the headline I thought Mel Brooks was coming out with a new movie

beac

(9,992 posts)
96. Bluster's Last Stand.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:28 AM
Aug 2012

Never let facts get in the way of your determination to charge into an un-winnable battle.

May Pat Rogers go down in history with the same infamy as his "hero."

 

WestWisconsinDem

(127 posts)
98. right.... with drums beating and all in a nice neat line
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:47 AM
Aug 2012

...announce your position and then wade directly into the opponent's strength. Woe to anyone under that idiot's command. As a bumpersticker popular in Crazy Horse's territories says, "Custer was Siouxed"

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
107. They should like the video here:
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:19 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:29 PM - Edit history (1)



All the lies that were spoken
All the blood we have spilled
All the treaties that were broken
All the leaders you have still

Custer died for your sins!
Custer died for your sins!
Oh, a new day must begin
Custer died for your sins

All the tribes you terminated
Or the myth you keep alive
All the land you confiscated
For freedom you deprive

Custer died for your sins!
Custer died for your sins!
oh, a new day must begin!
Custer died... for your sins

Custer died for your sins!
Custer died for your sins!
Oh, a new day must begin
Custer died... for your sins.

For the truth that you pollute
For the life that you have tossed
for the good you prostitute
And for all that we have lost

Custer died for your sins!
Custer died for your sins!
oh, a new day must begin
Custer died... for your sins.

Custer died for your sins!
Custer died for your sins!
Oh, a new day must begin
Custer died.. for your sins.

Custer diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiied!


Should be sung to them in Tampa.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
108. Thank you, Freshwest
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:54 PM
Aug 2012

I used to have this on an LP, but it got 'lost along the way'.

Could I suggest one edit? In the third stanza, "compensated" should be "confiscated".

Thank you again. I did a lot of Native American Studies in college. I went to lots of pow-wows. I was shocked beyond belief when I saw this was a real statement above about 'dishonoring' Custer.

LarryNM

(493 posts)
105. Support Opposition to Rogers But No Support for Martinez
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:52 PM
Aug 2012

She was essentially the hand picked candidate of Bob "swift boat liars" Perry and Corporatists because they knew Weh did not stand much chance of winning. She has not done the Rethug thing in her term like so many other R Governors simply because New Mexico has a Strong Democratic and Liberal presence, unlike her home state of Texas.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
124. "By talking to the Indians, it reminds everyone of our failure to complete the genocide
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 03:15 PM
Aug 2012

that gave us this great land."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
121. What is different here?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:56 PM
Aug 2012

Haven't many people, governors or not, met with Native Americans? Every time that happens, Gen. Custer is "dishonored?" What for? How is that? He's been dead for over a century. And he lost a battle, it's not like he was murdered.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
125. Using That Logic
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 03:42 PM
Aug 2012

Romney just dishonored George Washington by meeting with the British PM last month.

Oh, wait, the British PM is white.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
126. Romney Hosts Tribal Leader Fundraiser (article from Indian country)
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 04:09 PM
Aug 2012
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/08/22/romney-hosts-tribal-leader-fundraiser-130422

WASHINGTON – Mitt Romney’s campaign has confirmed that the Republican candidate for U.S. president met with a group of tribal leaders on August 17. snip

According to multiple sources who are familiar with the Romney event, it was held in Boston. Many tribal leaders were invited, and approximately 12 were in attendance. Attendees reportedly stressed government-to-government relations and self-reliance that is outgrowth of federal-Indian policies of tribal self-determination and self-governance. snip

“It was great to see Governor Romney set aside time to sit down and listen to a small group of tribal leaders at the very moment his campaign hit the afterburners and shot toward the convention,” added Philip Baker-Shenk, a partner with the Holland & Knight law firm, who focuses on Indian and tribal issues. “It will take many more such events for the Romney-Ryan campaign to catch up to the unprecedented Obama-Biden reelection campaign outreach to Indian country, but every journey begins with a big first step.”

Eric Eberhard, a law professor at Seattle University who previously worked as a staff director on the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs for Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, agrees that Romney has much to do to catch up with Obama on Indian issues. “The campaign website does not include any references to tribes or to issues that are important to the tribes,” he said. “I do not know of any plans by the campaign to hold events on any Indian reservations, or to try to organize anywhere in Indian country.”

Read more:http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/08/22/romney-hosts-tribal-leader-fundraiser-130422 http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/08/22/romney-hosts-tribal-leader-fundraiser-130422#ixzz24gW7SNTm
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
129. When I first heard of this I thought is was from the Onion.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:55 PM
Aug 2012

What's funny is this whole "White Man Rule" has become a complete joke.

mikekohr

(2,312 posts)
131. Native Americans Serve In The Military At Higher Rates Than Any Other Ethinic Group
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:14 PM
Aug 2012

Someone should remind Mr. Rodgers of that and also remind him that Romney demonstrated in favor of the Vietnam war but got 3 student deferments and a 4th, missionary, deferment and then palled around France with cheese eating surrender monkeys.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
132. I just discovered that Allen Weh was born in Salem, Oregon, the town I grew up in.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:27 PM
Aug 2012

On behalf of everybody else who has ever lived in Salem...I abjectly apologize...

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
133. UH...why would anybody HONOR General Custer?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:28 PM
Aug 2012

He was one of the worst and bloodiest military leaders in U.S. history. He got his scalp handed to him at the Little Big Horn. What's to like?

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
134. Is some rich guy paying the GOP to be this stupid?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:41 PM
Aug 2012

This is a serious question. The party is acting like a bunch of rabid weasels. Since Citizens United created Super Pacs, any rich businessman in the US or any place else in the world can pay any elected official or any one associated with politics big bucks to say what he wants to hear. So, if some guy wants to muscle in on Native American casinos (think Sheldon Adelson) he could pay someone a million if they are national or $10,000 if they are just local to start bad mouthing Native Americans. And the person receiving the huge windfall of cash is likely to say to himself "Fuck the party! I want the money!"

Did Akin get promised a huge sum by the Catholic Church?

Did Romney pick Ryan because of a donation?

Since rich businessmen don't know shit about politics, they may well sink the GOP with their outrageous demands (and donations).

Or (and I sort of like this theory) maybe Karl Rove has lost it. Maybe he is the genius behind Romney, Akin, Ryan and all the gaffes. Maybe he is advising these guys on what to say---which would mean that the legendary Brain is short a few neurons.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
135. There are lots of wealthy rabid weasels
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:32 PM
Aug 2012

At least that's the impression I got from some of the initiatives that were proposed while I lived in Oregon.

One of the most active ones hated public schools, so he decided to found his own school. Paid for it all. Got a lot of Republican parents all excited about sending their kids there.

So the school is humming along, and Scrooge McDuck pays a surprise visit. What he sees angers him so much that he immediately cuts off all funding for the school.

What did he see? One of the teachers was teaching the kids about the solar system.

"How is learning about the solar system going to help them get a job?" he ranted.

I wish I were making this up.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
136. It amazes this Cherokee that the RNC offends everyone but the white man
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:42 PM
Aug 2012

and still gets candidates elected.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
138. Locking -- The Onion is not an acceptable source for LBN. Please re-post in Comedy.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:24 AM
Aug 2012

... or The Bat-shit Crazy Land forum. Or the We're All Fucked Group (protected).

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
142. Custer did not "dishonor himself" as so many here post. Many, many people failed him.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:56 PM
Aug 2012

First, let's remember that Custer defeated J.E.B. Stuart the first and every subsequent time they met. The Confederate cavalry advantage at the start of the war ended when Custer took the field. Giving him credit for doing this almost single handidly sounds like hyperbole. But the US cavalry had begun to retreat when Custer left the command post and charged the Confederates causing his command to turn around and re-engage the enemy to win that first battle.

As to Little Big Horn, Custer had a LOT of help in that screwup.

o Western Indian war parties to that point had been fairly small. Bureau of Indian Affairs estimated this was one of the larger ones, but less than half what it turned out to be. Custer was facing a force more than twice the size he had been informed. Larger than any war party encountered by the cavalry prior to that date.

o Western Indians generally did not attack cavalry in a stand up fight. They hit them from ambush, then ran to fight another day.

o An entire US Army division was supposed to be there, not just Custer. Custer had every reason to believe that division would showup at any moment. But the Lakota had ambushed the other division a few days earlier injuring their commanding officer. The division withdrew without even attempting to notify remaining US Army units of their actions.

o Whether Maj Reno could have followed the plan or not is up for debate. Probably not judging by how badly his retreat went. But he should have informed Custer instead of abandoning Custer. Custer, believing he was the vanguard of a division turned out to be just one company.

o With two other US Army divisions due to arrive in a few hours, all Custer had to do was keep the Indians busy.

o The Lakota had repeating rifles. Custer's command did not. And Custer was unaware of the Lakota's superior weaponry.

That last is pretty big. Custer was too outnumbered to fight a prolonged defense. But without those repeaters, he might have held on long enough for the ordered reinforcements to arrive. Reno had to hear the fighting and would have found his way to Custer had the fighting not lasted mere minutes. Custer would have had 4 times his numbers then. And those other two US Army divisions (actually, I think there were three others, but I know there was at least two) did arrive a few hours later.

Custer gets the final blame for not trusting his Indian scouts and for sending a non-English speaking messenger to bring up reinforcements. But it took a lot of errors by a lot of other people to cause his downfall. He wouldn't have even been there had the blocking division not withdrawn.

mikekohr

(2,312 posts)
143. I would recommend you read "Archaeology, History and Custer's Last Battle" by Richard Allen Fox Jr
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:18 AM
Aug 2012

many of your points are not correct.

1). The encampment at the Washita was nearly as large or larger. There Custer divided his command into 4 units, killed approx. 80-102 people, mostly women and children., before realizing the rest of the encampment was coming. He abandoned the field and 18 soldiers under the command of Lt. Joel Elliot. They were killed to a man. Custer repeated these same mistakes at the Greasy Grass with different results.

2). Correct but they were learning not to run when a village was attacked. They counter-attacked at the Washita. Custer beat feet. They checked Crook at Rosebud. They counter attacked Custer and Reno. Reno recognized the situation, retreated (poorly) but survived. Custer remained in offensive posture until his right wing collapsed and panic ensued.

3). Terry's column was not due for another day. Custer knew this.

4). Custer had 5 companies under his command. Reno two. Custer saw Reno's retreat. Lakota sources indicate had Reno not vacated his position all of Reno's men would have been killed in the valley. Reno's men concurred with this assessment.

5). See #3. Crook had been checked a week before at the Rosebud but in any case he was not due at the battle site until the 26th as was the plan which included Terry's column coming from the north from the Yellowstone arriving on that date.

6). Custer was not outgunned. The Springfield 45/55 had an effective range of 300-400 yards. The 44 repeaters had an effective range of approx. 100 yards. Custer's delay on battle ridge allowed infiltration of his positions for hours. Cheyenne accounts expressed disbelief that Custer delayed along the ridge. They stated he could have easily rode back to Reno's defensive position. He never did.

7). Reno's survivors plus Benteen's companies, plus the pack train would NOT have had multiplied Custer's numbers by 4. There were approx 682 in Custer's entire column, 210 in Custer's 5 companies. Terry's division did not arrive until late on the 26th, the day planned for the convergence of the Custer's, Crook's and Terry's divisions, and 24 hours after Custer's 5 companies broke, ran and died.

Custer was a brave man. He had 7 horses shot out from under him in the Civil War. He also had the highest casualty rate of any general, North or South during that conflict. There is a fine line between bravery and recklessness. Custer crossed that line. Often.

Here is a link to the names of the 31 Lakota and Cheyenne men that lost their lives defending their village, families and land from an attacking invader: http://www.brotherhooddays.com/chicagotribune1.html
I urge you to visit it.

mikekohr

(2,312 posts)
144. Here is a thumbnail on George A. Custer
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:36 AM
Aug 2012

GEORGE ARMSTRONG CUSTER by mike kohr

After graduating last in his class at West Point and setting a record for demerits and reprimands Custer quickly proved his willingness to please his superiors and to succeed at any cost. Rising quickly through the ranks, Custer became the youngest man ever to attain the rank of General. His reckless bravado resulted in many Civil War victories but at the cost of troops under his command suffering the highest casualty rate in the war. 35). 23).

One specific incident during the Civil War would provide particular insight into Custer's character. In 1864, General U.S. Grant issued an order that stated that any men fighting under the command of Confederate Colonel John S. Mosby that were captured, should be summarily executed. The order, relayed through Union General Phil Sheridan, was ignored by all but one of General Sheridan's subordinates, and that lone exception was General George Custer. Custer captured six of Colonel Mosby's men in September of 1864 and had them shot to death on the streets of Fort Royal, Virginia. 34). Soon after the end of the Civil War Custer's ruthless behavior and naked ambition would be brought to bear against the Plains People.

Anxious to prove himself an "Indian Fighter," Custer was given command of an army with which he scoured the states of Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma, hoping to engage any Indians that he might find. During this command Custer had deserters shot without benefit of hearings. This in-spite of the fact that Custer himself on numerous occasions deserted his command to be in the company of his wife or to go off on hunting expeditions. In September of 1867 Custer was court-martialed and convicted of abandoning his command and having deserters executed. He was sentenced to a one year suspension without pay for these crimes. http://leav-www.army.mil/history/custer.htm

Ten months later General Phil Sheridan reinstated Custer to command a campaign against the Southern Cheyenne in Oklahoma. Desperate for action that would redeem his honor, Custer came upon a peaceful camp of Southern Cheyenne camped along the Washita River, on November 28th, 1868.

This encampment was nearby an U.S. army outpost and under the leadership of the "Peace Chief, Black Kettle." The lodge of Black Kettle flew a large U.S. flag identifying the camp as a "friendly village." Black Kettle was given this flag by the United States government and told that as long as it flew over his lodge he and his people would be under the protection of the United States Army.

Custer's scouts identified this small camp circle as a friendly village and warned the general not to attack. Custer ignored his scouts and ordered any man shot that attempted to prevent his plans for attack the next morning. As Custer planned the attack on the village he did not conduct reconnaissance of the village and surrounding area .

The next morning, November 29th 1868, marching to his favorite tune "Gary Owen," Custer and his soldiers attacked the village. The 67 year old Black Kettle and his wife Medicine Women Later, walked toward the attacking cavalry, carrying a white flag and calling out for peace. Black Kettle and Medicine Woman Later were shot down and killed. Their bodies and the white flag were trampled under the hooves of the horses and into the bloody mud, as the Calvary advanced on the village.

Black Kettle, always a voice for peace and accommodation with the Whites, was to be betrayed in his trust a second time. First at the Massacre of Sand Creek when his people were butchered by the Methodist preacher John Chivington and a second and final time along the banks of the river known as the Washita. One-hundred and three Cheyenne people, died there along with Black Kettle and his wife. Ninety-two of the dead were women, children, and old people unable to flee the advance of Custer and his troops.

As the Cheyenne warriors fought a rear-guard action to protect the fleeing villagers, Custer ordered a contingent of 18 men under the command of Lt. Joel Elliot to cut off the escape route of the terrified villagers. The Cheyenne were running in the direction of the rest of the strung-out encampment of Cheyenne and Arapaho people. There were, unknown to Custer because of his lack of reconnaissance, over 6000 other Native People camped further downstream on the Washita this day.

Lt. Elliot and his men rode into the face of warriors riding down to investigate the sounds of gunfire coming from Black Kettle's camp. As the sounds from this ensuing battle made its way to Custer's position, Custer realized he was in grave danger. He abandoned his position and left Lt. Elliot and his men without support. Lt. Elliot and his men were all killed.

Custer skillfully manipulated the reporting of these facts and escaped responsibility for abandoning Lt. Elliot and his men. Custer was hailed as a hero for his actions . The fact that he had knowingly attacked a peaceful camp of Indian people and murdered over 100 Cheyenne men, women, and children, did little to tarnish the luster of his growing popularity with the American People. After the massacre at the Washita, Custer was mentioned as a possible candidate for President by the press and many prominent politicians.

In 1873, Colonel D.S. Stanley, Custer's superior officer on a surveying expedition along the Yellowstone, would write to his wife about Custer, " [Custer is] a cold-blooded, untruthful and unprincipled man .... universally despised by all the officers of his regiment." 35).

Colonel Custer would, three years later, confirm Stanley's assessment of him. Blinded by ambition he recklessly unleashed an uncoordinated attack on a gathering of Lakota, and Northern Cheyenne People on June 25th, 1876 at the place called the Greasy Grass. Remembering the lessons of Sand Creek and the Washita massacres, the Lakota, and Cheyenne, fought back. Custer's ambition and reckless actions led 267 soldiers, 34 Lakota and 7 Cheyenne People to their deaths that hot day in June.

Colonel Stanley would eventually rise on his merits to the rank of Brigadier General. But history seldom mentions the steady Colonel Stanley and all but forgets his prophetic assessment of Custer's character. Custer would in defeat, rise to mythic status in Western history and folklore of that of a gallant American hero, and defy in death an accounting of his life.

Elizabeth Bacon Custer, the Colonel's widow, devoted the rest of her life, to a largely successful attempt to rehabilitate the image of her late husband. She wrote of her efforts: "There will come a time when tradition and history are so intermingled that no one will be able to separate them." 51).
Mrs. Custer lived until 1933, and died just two days short of her 91st birthday. To quote Robert Paul Jordan, " ....she remained George Custer's greatest admirer, brooking no detractions, singing his praises in three books. She described their military life and adventures simply and clearly and with something less than the whole truth." 54).

http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html#GEORGE ARMSTRONG CUSTER:

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