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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:04 AM Aug 2012

Harvard University probes plagiarism outbreak involving 125 students

Source: Guardian

Harvard University probes plagiarism outbreak involving 125 students

Half the students in Ivy League college's Introduction to Congress class may have copied each other's final exams

guardian.co.uk, Thursday 30 August 2012 19.59 EDT

To be caught cheating at Harvard is bad enough. The august university prides itself on incubating America's elite in the world of law, business and politics.

But now it has been revealed that scores of Harvard students are suspected of cheating on a single class. And the course's title? An Introduction to Congress.

Though that will likely fail to surprise the many cynical observers of American politics, it has certainly stunned college officials. Harvard has immediately launched an investigation.

"These allegations, if proven represent totally unacceptable behaviour that betrays the trust upon which intellectual inquiry at Harvard depends," said Harvard president Drew Faust in a statement.


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/aug/31/harvard-university-cheating-scandal

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Well, sheee-yit, they're learning what Congress is all about, aren't they?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:08 AM
Aug 2012

Kick 'em all out. Give their slots to poor scholarship kids.

Let the little legacies try their hand at getting an education at Bunker Hill or Roxbury Community College, if they can get in....

alp227

(32,020 posts)
3. What Congress is all about? Think about those ALEC model bills.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 03:52 AM
Aug 2012

Cenk Uygur reported on an example of legal plagiarism where a Florida state representative introduced a corporate tax resolution on the state house floor...negligently leaving in the ALEC wording!

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
7. "Harvard has immediately launched an investigation" Immediately? Wouldn't this course have ended
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:28 AM
Aug 2012

around June 1?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
8. these are supposed to be the nation's brightest but they copied from each other
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:32 AM
Aug 2012

thus it would be easy for a prof to see that some had the same answers/paragraphs/essays.

How stupid on so many levels.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
9. Open book, open note, open internet test? I bet they used the same google document for their notes,
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:01 PM
Aug 2012

150 minds is better then 1. Seems like the test was a joke in the first place, and the punishments are so mild that in 5 years all these kids will all be eating gravy anyways.

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
10. Having taken classes
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 01:17 PM
Aug 2012

with supposedly some of these 'best and brightest' from top-tier schools like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, MIT, Duke, Princeton, etc., and also having taken classes with average community college students and average public state-supported institutions, I have to say that the myth that only the 'best and brightest' attend Harvard and the like is just that - a myth.

While there are some who are there simply because of merit, most are there because their high schools inflated grades and GPAs. Simply having all As in high school does not translate into being able to make a coherent and logical argument or talking about a topic using facts or literature or philosophies or scientific principles to bolster your thesis or even knowing basic facts about a country and its culture.

There are quite a few mature students in community college classes who could give these Harvard people a run for their money for their ability to actually converse intelligently and know facts - as well as having real-life experiences. The same goes for those average C students who go to public institutions.

We are so ingrained in thinking that your grades are equivalent to your intelligence and your abilities that we have - openly or not - sanctioned grade inflation and overvalued 'extracurricular activities' to the point that someone who is smart but a bit of a loner or shy and does not perform well on tests like the ACT or SAT is automatically shut off from attending elite institutions where perhaps s/he may flourish.

No wonder cheating and plagiarism happen at Harvard. It's probably what these 'best and brightest' were doing through their high school years as well.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
12. I would not disagree with that assessment.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 01:34 AM
Sep 2012

I would just add that I think the basic factor that needs to be considered in college admissions is critical reasoning ability as displayed in writing, forget the test scores, grades, and extra-curricular activities. I would add that this true even for mathematics and science majors. That these students were so easily caught committing plagiarism is a testament to that reality. Losers.



From the comments:

FormerTA • a day ago

Former TA and resident tutor at Harvard (5 years). I was very surprised to observe how many students studied for exams at Harvard. Instead of trying to master the material individually, many of them would band together in groups (5, 20, sometimes even larger) and create "study guides" by splitting up the material and each contributing a few pages to a small booklet of notes. They would then focus on memorizing the booklet, sometimes with haphazard results. As a TA for several large courses, I noticed that on final exams students would often simply regurgitate anything remotely related to the topic of the question; many of these "essays" had a canned feel because they came straight from the same guide that their classmates were using. The solution? 1) Admissions: stop looking for activity stars, and start looking for students who are intellectually curious and care about learning; 2) Campus culture: needs to change; there are too many students who focus on clubs and CVs, and who don't care enough about learning to think for themselves -- instead they prefer to take the easy way out, shopping for gut classes over house lists and relying on sloppily prepared guides; 3) Professors: need to stand up to the task of education; inspire students to value deep understanding over shallow cleverness, effort and integrity over quick results. There is a culture of ego at Harvard that engulfs students and teachers. It is part of the game to make things easy for everyone and pump one another up. Not enough professors take a stand against grade inflation, etc., because really putting in the time to teach would take away from research. Not enough students take the responsibility of learning seriously -- the comment from the student at the end of the article is indicative of an expectation to be spoonfed "the right answers."

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
16. having gone to community college myself as an adult, I agree but don't Harvard students need high
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:14 PM
Sep 2012

SAT scores to get in?

High SAT scores show mastery of reading, critical thinking and math (as well as subjects taken for subject tests)

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
13. If they cheated, doesn't that prime them well for most businesses?
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 03:42 PM
Sep 2012

And politics? I don't know about law, but it seems a flexible mind that is able to see that it's against the law to murder someone, and to argue that this or that guy or gal didn't do it, or did do it, either way, would also seem a plus.

The problem with scandals such as this is not that college students were caught cheating, but that the school has a policy of no cheating, when it's obvious to all except the most asleep, that liars and cheats are running nearly everything.

Escaping from that pattern will require a heck of a lot more than just punishing young adults caught doing what everyone else is doing. It will require things such as a government willing to prosecute banksters, and military excesses, and BigCorporate, all with punishments that exceed any ill-gotten gains. That doesn't seem to be on the horizon these days, instead the pattern is, okay, we caught you breaking this law, and you made 10 million from your fraud, now pay us 1 million as a fine, without admitting any guilt whatsoever, and promise never to do it again.

Thus, punishing students caught cheating is simply an exercise in futility, besides being hypocritical as heck. Instead, the schools should be teaching explicitly how to lie, cheat, and steal, at least so the folks who do not acheive great academic heights get something of a primer of what awaits them, and perhaps can devise realistic coping strategies, instead of simply being gullible victims time and again.

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