Tennessee man confesses to burning a black man alive because of his race -- and cites the Bible as an

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Raw Story

NOOR AL-SIBAI
27 AUG 2018 AT 20:01 ET



A Tennessee man allegedly wrote a jailhouse letter to a white supremacist group admitting he burned a black man alive — and cited the Bible as one of his influences.

Nashville’s WTVF reported Monday that John Daniel Carothers, accused of murdering his black halfway house roommate Robert Miller in March, claimed the Bible is “for white people” and referenced the religious text in his alleged confession letter.

“I believe the Bible is about white people and for white people,” Carothers’ jailhouse letter read. “I am in the Rutherford County Jail for burning a black man I set on fire with lighter fluid poured on his head.”

After the sheriff’s department found the suspect’s apparent confession letter in the outgoing mail, prosecutors are now considering upping the charges against him using a hate crime “enhancement.”

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/tennessee-man-confesses-burning-black-man-alive-race-cites-bible-influence/

[marble falls]

1. Some days it is very hard to remain anti-capital punishment.

[Stuart G]

2. Yes..that is totally true. Very difficult some days...no text..

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. I've always believed that life in prison with not much chance of parole is worse than CP

With Capital Punishment, there is a short episode where you are sedated or made unconscious first and then you die.

That pales in comparison to staring at decades of loss of freedom during which your crime will recur in your thoughts thousands of times.

[samnsara]

7. i just think of richard speck who actually morphed into some kind of prison rat

...and thrived in his environment...until he died of natural causes.

[Judi Lynn]

11. He appeared to love prison life. Unbelievable! n/t

[marble falls]

27. Then he was in the right place.

[marble falls]

15. Absolutely. A life sentence is just a chickenshit form of capital punishment. The Innocence ...

Project doesn't work anywhere as many life sentences as they do capital crimes and I understand completely why.

I think sentences much over 20 years are useless and offer no chance for a prisoner to turn it around.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

23. Long sentences punish family more than the prisoner. n/t

[marble falls]

24. No doubt, expecially if a family lives far from a prison or in the over pricing of telephoning ...

though some states have addressed the predatory prison phone pricing. Over-sentencing, three-strike laws and mndatory sentencing have all got to go. Taking dads and moms needlessly out of homes adds to the poverty cycle on a bunch of levels.

[Cold War Spook]

33. Securus

Nc to Florida is $2.60 for 15 minutes.

[marble falls]

34. When my stepson goofed up on a traffic warrent the phone call from the jail about ten miles ...

away lasted two or three minutes before cutting off cost $16.00.

Which leads to another major reform needed in corrections: get rid of private company run.owned prisons where there is a profit incentive to keep people incarcerated. Our county formed a partnership with a private company to build the jail. They gave the sheriff a bounty to keep heads on beds. This meant that we had prisoners from as far as Florida there. Their families were poor and these prisoners all had sentences of less than a year.

And while we're at it, sheriffs in the Deep South need to be reigned in.

Don't get me started. A lot of criminals wear a star, a cowboy hat and a handgun.

Interestingly enough our town cops are pretty darn good.

[Cold War Spook]

50. This should have been

collect from Florida to NC. I don't know if this makes a difference.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

42. Yes, the costs are horrible and heartbreaking.

In many, many cases the family is left behind with little or no income. Because prisoners make little or no money, families feel obligated to contribute to the prisoner's money account so he/she can buy extra food or commissary basics. And, they are put on a guilt trip if they don't accept those extremely expensive phone calls.

I could rant for hours over the cruelty of our jails and prisons (particularly relating to medical care), but I'm working on keeping my BP down, LOL. I worked with some men in prison for several years and had one die in an Indiana prison, so the psychological and economic effects are quite widespread, not just for family.

...............

[samnsara]

6. oh i always have felt there are those who are not meant to walk among us

…. and they need to find their great reward somewhere else...

[bitterross]

8. Right there with you. /nt

[nycbos]

10. My thoughts exactly.

I am against the death penalty. However I won't lose sleep if the evil person is executed.

[TNNurse]

19. I believe the ugly in this world has made us think what we

thought we never would. I have had that same thought.

[marble falls]

26. The only thing - the very big thing - that keeps me grounded is that the second I find the poster ..

child for execution it forces me to realize there is no fair way to apply the punishment. The fact I can find that certain special poster-child requires discrimination.

Let alone if murder is wrong, state-sanctioned murder is wrong.

[xor]

65. A life of hard meaningless hard labor might be a solution...

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Just outside 10 hours a day digging holes and filling them back up. Nothing real is being done. So there is no sense of personal accomplishment. I've been told that considered torture, though. Sooo, there's that.

[marble falls]

67. Whats the advantage to that?

[xor]

68. I can't think of any...

[marble falls]

69. Well maybe we should think about it a little longer before we do it anybody, then.

[xor]

70. Well, I wouldn't do that to anybody.

Not just because it would be illegal either. I was making that comment as emotionally based thought for people who commit heinous crimes. If I was actually making policy or had any sway, then my approach would likely be more rational...it wouldn't only be like 5 hours a days. I'm kidding.

I find it a lot easier to discuss criminal justice reform ideas when discussing non-violent criminals. So, I really don't have any great ideas how best to deal with folks like this guy.

[Sunny Daze]

3. So evil...I can't even stand to look at his face.

[mysteryowl]

4. Mentally ill for sure

[Marcuse]

16. Mad or just Bad. The Insanity Defense is a tough row to hoe.

[bitterross]

9. Link to TV station report

I'm from TN originally. This does not surprise me. Of course there is not hate crime statute in TN. It's still very much okay to hate people based on color of their skin there.

There is not a specific Hate Crime law in Tennessee, but Jones said he could pursue a hate crime enhancement if Carothers is found guilty at trial which would bring harsher sentencing.

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/top-prosecutor-considers-hate-crime-enhancement-in-murder-citing-racist-jailhouse-letter

[Judi Lynn]

13. Very interesting information in this report.

Stunned to see this:

.... There is not a specific Hate Crime law in Tennessee.

It was good to see it mentioned that the U.S. Attorney can step in to do the job in this case, if Trump wouldn't prohibit it.

Thank you.

[bitterross]

32. Love thy neighbor only means other WASPs in TN.

Trust me, I know from experience.

[billh58]

12. Will Trump

pardon him like he did Joe Arpaio? Same motive, slightly different crime.

[catrose]

14. "I believe the Bible is about white people and for white people."

er...no

[Jedi Guy]

17. The King of the Jews might beg to differ, eh?

That bit just made me shake my head. I didn't figure this scumbag for a scholar, but damn.

[catrose]

18. I'd think so

Definitely not a scholar---but damn. SMDH

[marble falls]

20. Heers tha picher of Jaysus frum ma Bible. Yew be tha judge!

[catrose]

22. I guess if he ever opened his bible, he might have got that idea.

I suspect like the song says, "looked at the pictures and I turned the pages."

[KY_EnviroGuy]

25. Someone should Photoshop a can of Zippo fluid into that right hand.

Fits right in with NRA Jesus with his AK-47.......

[MountCleaners]

49. Jesus wasn't blonde and didn't have long hair

He probably looked like this:

?w=618&ssl=1

[marble falls]

51. You didn't get that picture from any Bible I ever saw. Jesus is blonde and blue-eyed ...

just like me: I was made in his image - it says so in the Bible and he does like that red jacket of his ....





I'm surprised he didn't turn that spudweiser into a nice IPA, But that Jesus for you: mysterious ways and all that.











Here's his driver's license for love the love of Mike ...

[Bayard]

62. First pic looks like Charlton Heston

Third one looks like he's getting ready to do a Vulcan mind meld.

[Dave Starsky]

52. TIL Jesus looks like Gregg Allman.

Gregg Allman would even wear a T-shirt like that, too.

[marble falls]

53. Here he is, opening for Black Sabbath in '70 ...

[catrose]

57. sending you a bill for my keyboard

[marble falls]

58. That was a miracle, dammit, you should be paying me!

[catrose]

59. oh all right

[marble falls]

60. E-bay it!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

21. 2k years ago in the middle east....theres wasn't much 'white' but robes and

teeth, and bleached bones in the sand.

[marble falls]

28. Nice sentence for a book ....

"there wasn't much 'white' but robes and teeth, and bleached bones in the sand." Another 10,000 or so more and you got a best seller!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

31. Hehe heh. ty.

that's a nice thing to say.

[Jedi Guy]

35. It'd be a good start to a Western, I think.

Though Stephen King already nailed the best opening line for a Western, IMO. "The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed." He gets diarrhea of the word processor quite a bit, but sometimes he cranks out some really good stuff.

[marble falls]

37. I think the Middle East works, "2k years years ago in the Middle East ...." is a good start

[Jedi Guy]

38. Hmmm... split the difference. Jesus as a gunslinger.

Target demographic would be the folks who go on about "Jesus the warrior." Draw them in with a cover showing Jesus holding two gigantic blue-steel six-shooters, but then have him never actually use them in the book. Instead, he overcomes all his challenges with peace, love, understanding, and tolerance.

The cognitive dissonance would give them some wicked headaches.

[marble falls]

41. Took me a while to find this ...

https://www.discussionist.com/102325298

[Jedi Guy]

43. Wow, really? A Luger?

I figured something like an elephant gun, since he had to clear out the dinosaurs and all. Did the creationists ever explain what happened to the dinosaurs after Adam and Eve rode them around?

[marble falls]

44. Did you read the thread? Its hysterical! They play rough over there.

[Jedi Guy]

45. I'll admit, I just looked at the image.

I'll have to circle back to it tomorrow morning once I've pried both eyes open.

[marble falls]

46. There are some good pictures! Rest easy, we got your back!

[ProfessorGAC]

54. Also, IIRC The Red Cloak. . .

. . .was very unlikely because the dyes that would make cloth red were very expensive and fairly rare until they started synthesizing things like Congo Red in the 19th century.

[SergeStorms]

48. Typical racist white red-neck.

He's probably never been out of the county in which he lives. But he knows that book of fiction is about white people, even though there wasn't a "white" person within 1,000 miles of where white, blonde, blue-eyed Jebus lived.

There's just SO MUCH ignorance in this country, and although I'm not dumb enough to say they're ALL Republicans, I'd be willing to bet they hover around 80% of the dumbest shits in this country. Republicans have tailored it as such, because they like their minions to be as dumb as dirt. And this guy certainly qualifies as that.

[catrose]

56. Sadly yes

[oberliner]

29. Raw Story doing it's usual rip off of someone else's reporting

And giving a byline to its own writer (who didn't actually write anything).

[CreekDog]

36. Undermining a story about a black victim of a race-based hate crime?

And in the ENTIRE thread the first reaction you had was not to dispute the facts of the story, not to dispute the reporting, and not to comment on the horrifying nature of the crime.

But to undermine the story everyone just read.

Don't patronize us/me in the other thread for behavior you've never stopped pulling, especially when not even 40 minutes after that post, you have this one.

It's old and it's obvious.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11060641

[marble falls]

40. That struck me, too. Bugger the source and ignore the facts and truth of the story. At least he ..

doesn't correct spelling.

[moriah]

61. If you're so interested in sources people use in LBN..

... for example, whether they're foreign version stories or your nemesis RawStory, whichever...

Perhaps you should volunteer to be a host here?

[WestIndianArchie]

30. Just heinous

A true savage.

[rockfordfile]

39. Most likely a trump supporter and republican.

[iluvtennis]

47. What a sick fker.

[Mc Mike]

55. I bet LePage will file an amicus brief on this guy's behalf.

[Duppers]

63. Why are most of the crazies so religious?!

Evil is being this cruel.



That poor black man.

[xor]

66. Does religion attract crazies or does religion cause people to become crazy?

Perhaps both?

While not evil like this guy, most of crazy flat-earth, everything is a false flag, crazy Qanon/Pizzagate, and space/gravity doesn't exist sorts of people are all highly religious from what I've seen.

[Initech]

64. He must have skipped over the "thou shalt not kill" part!