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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:12 PM Oct 2018

Meijer pharmacist denies Michigan woman miscarriage medication over religious beliefs

Source: NBC News

A Michigan woman says a Meijer pharmacist denied her medication prescribed to treat her miscarriage because it was against his religious beliefs.

The Michigan branch of American Civil Liberties Union filed a complaint Tuesday asking Meijer to create policy requiring pharmacists to give patients their prescriptions, regardless of the pharmacists' beliefs, after Rachel Peterson was forced to drive more than three hours to get her medication.

Peterson suffered a miscarriage in July, and her doctor prescribed her Misoprostol, which was "crucial for her to take ... in a timely manner to avoid having to undergo a more invasive surgical procedure," the ACLU's claim says. Misoprostol can also be used to induce labor, treat ulcers and terminate a pregnancy.

The pharmacist, identified by the ACLU as Richard Kalkman at the Meijer store in Petoskey, told Peterson that “as a good Catholic male,” he could not “in good conscience fill the prescription” because he thought she wanted to use it to end her pregnancy, the letter says.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/meijer-pharmacist-denies-michigan-woman-miscarriage-medication-citing-religious-beliefs-n921711

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Meijer pharmacist denies Michigan woman miscarriage medication over religious beliefs (Original Post) Julian Englis Oct 2018 OP
So tired of these fuckheads!!! bluestarone Oct 2018 #1
I respect his beliefs. I think he should go to the nearest monastery Xipe Totec Oct 2018 #2
His beliefs could have cost that woman her life. pennylane100 Oct 2018 #5
We're in violent agreement. Read the rest of my sarcastapost. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2018 #8
i hope that fucker gets fired OriginalGeek Oct 2018 #3
According to the article, he "stopped working there shortly after the July 1 incident." catbyte Oct 2018 #17
well dammit, if he's already gone OriginalGeek Oct 2018 #22
Can she sue? JPK Oct 2018 #4
Kalkman, quit if you object to filling "controversial" prescriptions. muntrv Oct 2018 #6
Kalkman: "My religious freedumb is more important than your medical needs." muntrv Oct 2018 #9
God damn these people. God damn them to hell. Initech Oct 2018 #7
I hope the man gets back all the cruelty he's dealing out and I hope it happens Solly Mack Oct 2018 #10
Petoskey DownriverDem Oct 2018 #11
I grew up in Charlevoix, and actually Petoskey/Charlevoix is quite liberal compared to other catbyte Oct 2018 #19
File assault charges against him. Behind the Aegis Oct 2018 #12
When he's older and needs a TURP asap, Lars39 Oct 2018 #13
Or at least, needs to have it done without anesthesia. dhol82 Oct 2018 #30
What's worse is Kalkman refused to refer it to another pharmacist at Meijer and berated Peterson. muntrv Oct 2018 #14
Fire that asshole before he kills some innocent woman workinclasszero Oct 2018 #15
I grew up 10 miles from Petoskey. It didn't used to be filled with nut jobs like this clown. catbyte Oct 2018 #16
Actually you should be able to. You go to different pharmacy and you ask them to transfer the still_one Oct 2018 #23
Exactly. If you had a paper scrip, then you could just take it back and go elsewhere immediately. catbyte Oct 2018 #24
He ought to lose his licence over this travesty. Paladin Oct 2018 #18
It's simple: if you can't do the job, don't take the job. truthisfreedom Oct 2018 #20
The asshole should be fired immediately. In fact his action might have put her life in jepordy still_one Oct 2018 #21
In Malaysia violetpastille Oct 2018 #25
If he is a Catholic before he is a pharmacist bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #26
He should be in jail NewEnglandAutumn Oct 2018 #27
Totally!! workinclasszero Oct 2018 #43
Geesh... Are pharmacists doctors now? mwooldri Oct 2018 #28
Insurance companies have nothing to do with a prescription being filled MiniMe Oct 2018 #29
True... Very true. mwooldri Oct 2018 #44
Some Doctor's Offices have a Pharmacy on site. n/t MarcA Oct 2018 #31
Had he done the same with every prescription for birth control pills in the past? llmart Oct 2018 #32
If he is THAT religious, he should work at a pharmacy that doles out thoughts and prayers only. nt logosoco Oct 2018 #33
LOL montana_hazeleyes Oct 2018 #36
Sue Meijer and sue him. Hassler Oct 2018 #34
If your religious beliefs keep you from doing your job Bettie Oct 2018 #35
Gee - thanks, Hitler! Oneironaut Oct 2018 #40
I know, I know Bettie Oct 2018 #45
When EXACTLY did we vote on allowing pharmacists Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #37
Michigan is no less a right wing pigsty than the Deep South. nt Progressive Jones Oct 2018 #38
And they never let another pharmacist fill it, of course. Oneironaut Oct 2018 #39
I really don't understand people like this guy. Jedi Guy Oct 2018 #41
FFS, she had a miscarriage. I guess idiots like this pharmacist want women to die cuz their iluvtennis Oct 2018 #42

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
2. I respect his beliefs. I think he should go to the nearest monastery
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:23 PM
Oct 2018

And devote himself to chants, prayers, and other useless OCD activities.

But pharmacology is not something he should practice.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
5. His beliefs could have cost that woman her life.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:31 PM
Oct 2018

He is certainly entitled to them but he should lose his license (if a pharmacist needs one) when he takes them to his job.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
3. i hope that fucker gets fired
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:25 PM
Oct 2018

not your job to read minds you stupid fucking shitstain. I don't believe in god. You know what job I don't apply for? Preacher. You don't believe in abortion? Go be something that doesn't do that.

But you DO NOT get to make other people conform to your STUPID FUCKING BELIEFS!

catbyte

(34,409 posts)
17. According to the article, he "stopped working there shortly after the July 1 incident."
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:06 PM
Oct 2018

They didn't say if he quit or was fired, but his Linkd In profile stated he had been there for 29 years. I didn't even know that Meijers had a pharmacy in Petoskey for that long.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
22. well dammit, if he's already gone
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:12 PM
Oct 2018

who am I supposed to use all those pent up swear words on?

maybe at least he won't get another pharmacy job.

JPK

(653 posts)
4. Can she sue?
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:27 PM
Oct 2018

Can she sue the pharmacist in civil court for any incurred medical expenses related to him playing doctor? What about Meijer? How can an employee that is getting paid to do a job refuse to do it? Can she sue him for practicing medicine without a license?

Initech

(100,083 posts)
7. God damn these people. God damn them to hell.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:32 PM
Oct 2018

Oh and he's not a "good Catholic" by any stretch of the imagination.

Solly Mack

(90,775 posts)
10. I hope the man gets back all the cruelty he's dealing out and I hope it happens
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:36 PM
Oct 2018

over and over again.

I hope it happens so often he dies a broken man, bereft of hope and in great despair.


DownriverDem

(6,229 posts)
11. Petoskey
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:37 PM
Oct 2018

Petoskey is in northern Michigan (Up North). Is is a very republican part of the state. What a fool. If someone can't do their job because of their religion, then they shouldn't have that job.

catbyte

(34,409 posts)
19. I grew up in Charlevoix, and actually Petoskey/Charlevoix is quite liberal compared to other
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:08 PM
Oct 2018

areas of northern Michigan. Lots of transplants from Detroit & Chicago.

Behind the Aegis

(53,962 posts)
12. File assault charges against him.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:39 PM
Oct 2018

Given the meds were needed to prevent further complications, by denying those meds to Ms. Peterson, he placed her health in jeopardy.

Legal Definition of assault. (Entry 1 of 2) 1 : the crime or tort of threatening or attempting to inflict immediate offensive physical contact or bodily harm that one has the present ability to inflict and that puts the victim in fear of such harm or contact — compare battery. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault


Wishful thinking, I know, but the time has come to stand up to these bigoted bullies and make examples out of them. I also include all those assholes who call the police because a POC decided to live his/her life in spite of the bigot's desire.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
13. When he's older and needs a TURP asap,
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:40 PM
Oct 2018

I want him in agony when a doctor tells him it’s against his religious beliefs to help him.

I am absolutely fed up with these sanctimonious shitheads trying to impose their fucked up religious beliefs on the rest of us.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
14. What's worse is Kalkman refused to refer it to another pharmacist at Meijer and berated Peterson.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:43 PM
Oct 2018

Fire him for shitty customer service.

catbyte

(34,409 posts)
16. I grew up 10 miles from Petoskey. It didn't used to be filled with nut jobs like this clown.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:02 PM
Oct 2018

Shameful. She probably didn't have a paper prescription either, so she couldn't take it to another pharmacy. That's what I don't like about electronic prescriptions, If something happens at the pharmacy you designate, you're shit outta luck. He had no right to stick his self-righteous, judgmental nose where it doesn't belong. I wish she'd sue the shit out of Meijers, but it's probably not practical, especially since he's allegedly no longer working there.

still_one

(92,253 posts)
23. Actually you should be able to. You go to different pharmacy and you ask them to transfer the
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:14 PM
Oct 2018

prescription from pharmacy A to pharmacy B

Problem is that it might take a day or two for the transfer to be completed, and the patient may not have a day or two


Paladin

(28,266 posts)
18. He ought to lose his licence over this travesty.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:06 PM
Oct 2018

Absent the correcting of an erroneous medication being administered (that's why pharmacy is a 5-year degree), a pharmacist needs to fill the prescriptions as they are presented to them by customers. Period. Personal beliefs have no place in the process. They need to throw this guy out of the pharmacy profession, and damned quickly.

truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
20. It's simple: if you can't do the job, don't take the job.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:11 PM
Oct 2018

Pharmacist’s first rule: do no harm to the PATIENT.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
25. In Malaysia
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:32 PM
Oct 2018

the Muslim women that worked in grocery stores like Cold Storage wouldn't touch alcohol or pork products.

You hold it up so that they can see they price and you put it in the bag.

The difference is that they didn't want to touch the alcohol and they didn't want to touch the pork. Other people's business is other people's business.

If you can't work your job around your beliefs you need a new job.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
28. Geesh... Are pharmacists doctors now?
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:58 PM
Oct 2018

Yes, a good pharmacist is a part of the medical team. If they pharmacist wanted to know what the prescription was for.... Call the doctor!

But still... Most pharmacists in that position are filling prescriptions are doing it per doctors orders... unless insurance company says otherwise. They are usually more often on the phone with the insurance company than the doctor!

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
29. Insurance companies have nothing to do with a prescription being filled
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 06:15 PM
Oct 2018

Only if the insurance company will pay for it. They could fill the prescription and the patient would have to pay the entire amount, the pharmacist has nothing to do with the insurance company paying. But the pharmacist should fill the prescription and leave the payment option up to the patient.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
44. True... Very true.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:55 PM
Oct 2018

But most of us who cannot pay the $$$$s out of pocket for drugs without insurance have a few choices... Either go back to the doctor and get the doc to write a new script for something the insurance will cover, or let the pharmacist start a process with the insurance company to get them to cover it. Sure the doctor will get involved again but it's the pharmacist that files the insurance.

But back to the main OP... The pharmacist would not know from the script what the drug is being prescribed for. What if a man came in with the script? The same medicine is used to prevent stomach ulcers. There's possibly some other off-label use for the drug too (e.g. some doctors prescribe Trazodone or Seroquel as sleep medicines, even though they are primarily mental health medicines). The pharmacist needs to fill as prescribed by the doctor.

I can see one reason why a pharmacist may refuse to fill a script based on conscience - and this is if the drugs are going to be used in an execution i.e. death row prisoner being killed by the state. Mind, this is a special case. At the very least, there should be procedures in place to allow patients to get the meds as prescribed if the medicine has the possibility of "ending life" e.g. abortion or euthanasia. For more common OB-GYN situations there should be no barriers.

llmart

(15,541 posts)
32. Had he done the same with every prescription for birth control pills in the past?
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 06:26 PM
Oct 2018

If not, then what the fuck kind of Catholic is he?

That's just a convenient excuse he made up. Hope he never gets another job in any pharmacy every again. The Meijer in my neighborhood is looking for cashiers, so maybe he could do that, except for he probably wouldn't want to ring up that guy's condoms.

What a sanctimonious asshole this guy is.

Bettie

(16,111 posts)
35. If your religious beliefs keep you from doing your job
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 07:09 PM
Oct 2018

find another job.

If you are using your religious beliefs to punish others, you should rethink your life.

Oneironaut

(5,506 posts)
40. Gee - thanks, Hitler!
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:11 PM
Oct 2018

How does it feel knowing that you’re oppressing those poor Christians by denying their right to force others to follow their religion or else? White Christian Males are the most oppressed minority in America.

Bettie

(16,111 posts)
45. I know, I know
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:57 PM
Oct 2018

and I really should also recognize that only Christians should be afforded the right to refuse service or anything they want based on their faith.

I do feel for the poor oppressed Christians...I mean, there's a church every mile or so, but what if they live in between two of them? What can they do?

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
37. When EXACTLY did we vote on allowing pharmacists
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 09:08 PM
Oct 2018

to over-rule MDs ?

When EXACTLY did we vote on allowing pharmacists to decide which prescriptions to fill and which to deny ?

When EXACTLY did we vote on allowing pharmacists to put womens' lives and health care in jeopardy ?

Is sickens me that Walgreen's, of all places - founded by the father of Justin Dart, a tireless, lifelong advocate for the disabled - allows any pharmacist to opt out of doing their job because of their "faith."

If you run a business, you are a public entity, not a rectory, a convent or the Vatican. Do your job or find another line of work, like charity/missionary work, which the church is so big on promoting.

Oneironaut

(5,506 posts)
39. And they never let another pharmacist fill it, of course.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:07 PM
Oct 2018

It’s not about personal choice - it’s about them forcing their beliefs on you. Notice the word “good” is thrown in there, with the connotation that she isn’t. Would a “good” person demand everyone adhere to their religion?

These God botherers need to be wiped out through education and by destroying organized religion.

Jedi Guy

(3,197 posts)
41. I really don't understand people like this guy.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:26 PM
Oct 2018

If he doesn't want to process the prescription owing to his religious beliefs, I'm okay with that... provided that another person take over the order, fill it, and dispense it appropriately, immediately. I'm okay with it so long as it doesn't negatively impact another person. When he shrugs his shoulders and forces her to drive three hours, then I stop being okay with his beliefs.

The fact that he didn't handle the situation that way tells me it was less about his "good Catholic" beliefs and more about wanting to ruin someone else's day, just for funsies. He could have held to his moral beliefs in such a way that he didn't shit all over someone else, but he chose to be an ass.

What ever happened to "live and let live"? Why do so many people feel this burning need to inject their beliefs into someone else's business?

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
42. FFS, she had a miscarriage. I guess idiots like this pharmacist want women to die cuz their
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 10:50 PM
Oct 2018

bodies weren't good enough to carry a baby to full term.

This sh*t has got to stop.

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