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pnwmom

(110,195 posts)
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 02:59 PM Oct 2018

WATERGATE SCANDAL: GRAND JURY READY TO HIT RICHARD NIXON WITH 4 CRIMINAL CHARGES, NEWLY RELEASED DOC

Source: Newsweek

Court documents unsealed on Wednesday after nearly 45 years show that a federal grand jury in February 1974 was prepared to indict former GOP President Richard Nixon on four criminal counts for his role in the 1970s Watergate scandal that led to his resignation.

The charges, including bribery, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and obstruction of a criminal investigation, would have been for Nixon and his administration’s attempt to cover up the break-in and wiretapping of the Democratic National Committee headquarters at The Watergate Hotel in D.C.

Five men were arrested on June 17, 1972, for their involvement in the matter. The men attempted to photograph DNC documents and wiretap DNC officials’ phones, potentially sabotaging the Democrats' chances at unseating Nixon in the upcoming 1972 presidential election.

The draft of the indictment from a Washington grand jury stated that “from on or about March 21, 1973…Richard M. Nixon unlawfully, willfully and knowingly did combine, conspire, confederate and agree together and with co-conspirators…to commit bribery…obstruct justice…and obstruct a criminal investigation.”


Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/grand-jury-indict-richard-nixon-watergate-1195613

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WATERGATE SCANDAL: GRAND JURY READY TO HIT RICHARD NIXON WITH 4 CRIMINAL CHARGES, NEWLY RELEASED DOC (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2018 OP
So a sitting president CAN be indicted, despite what Spanky and his minions say. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2018 #1
The Constitution explicitly allows it. lagomorph777 Oct 2018 #24
That says they can be indicted only after they are removed from office. NYC Liberal Oct 2018 #32
Actually, no, it does not. lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #43
Sorry, but doesn't this prove the exact opposite? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #36
I FEAR THE SAME... SkyDaddy7 Nov 2018 #41
Maybe that's what Barry Goldwater told him about the night before he decided to resign? George II Oct 2018 #2
Has Boozin' Brett already refused to hear the case? RhodeIslandOne Oct 2018 #3
See what Mr. Mueller is doing here? dawnie51 Oct 2018 #4
That was my first thought also NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #5
Set the table, light the candles bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #6
That must be Cheeto's great ambition as president at this point: sandensea Oct 2018 #7
don has a tattoo of roger stone,...with a tattoo of nixon on his back,.. on his 'shroomer Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #10
They should make a horror movie out of the orange oaf sandensea Oct 2018 #16
Nightmare on Mar-a-Lago could be a remake of Frogs csziggy Oct 2018 #21
Ah, yes. Those '70s creature features. sandensea Oct 2018 #23
Sharnado was pretty shlocky - and it got very popular csziggy Oct 2018 #25
+1 sandensea Oct 2018 #29
Tiny won't go as easily or gracefully as Nixon groundloop Oct 2018 #11
Ditto. eom littlemissmartypants Oct 2018 #14
+1 sandensea Oct 2018 #17
Nor as cleanly as his idol Adolf. He'll botch the poison and just puke on the rest of them erronis Oct 2018 #31
trump is going to try to change the subject for sure. BUT it won't be changed. shraby Oct 2018 #8
So they weren't prohibited from indicting either.. Historic NY Oct 2018 #9
"Prepared" to indict? cureautismnow Oct 2018 #12
Yeah, that's confusing. The dates don't makes sense. WhoWoodaKnew Oct 2018 #40
indeed . AllaN01Bear Oct 2018 #13
This has been reported before marylandblue Oct 2018 #15
Thanks! You're right that it appears to be nothing new. cureautismnow Oct 2018 #18
The documents weren't released before. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #19
I remember seeing some sort of indictment document marylandblue Oct 2018 #20
Just think of how many duforsure Oct 2018 #22
republicans are consistent: filthy liars and crooks Achilleaze Oct 2018 #26
We've got to give them an A in consistency. An F in democracy and normal decency. erronis Oct 2018 #33
Why were these unsealed now? CabalPowered Oct 2018 #27
I noticed that, too. Seems an obvious question. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #28
Found the answer CabalPowered Oct 2018 #37
Thanks! pnwmom Oct 2018 #38
What a perfect analysis of cheetox... Maxheader Oct 2018 #30
Hope Whiny boy got to see that article . . . pdsimdars Oct 2018 #34
Can't wait Goodmax Oct 2018 #35
Excellent. dalton99a Oct 2018 #39
So glad to see this. Thank you, pnwmom. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2018 #42

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
24. The Constitution explicitly allows it.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:16 PM
Oct 2018
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party, (defendant), convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

NYC Liberal

(20,445 posts)
32. That says they can be indicted only after they are removed from office.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:40 PM
Oct 2018

It’s meant to prevent claims of double jeopardy after a conviction in the Senate.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
43. Actually, no, it does not.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:35 AM
Nov 2018

The language is inclusive, not exclusive. It says that impeachment and criminal indictment are not mutually exclusive; it says absolutely nothing about sequence of events. Trump's defenders have often tried to claim that the president can't be indicted at all, or that he can only be indicted after impeachment. Those claims are utter nonsense and are directly contradicted by the language of the Constitution.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,584 posts)
36. Sorry, but doesn't this prove the exact opposite?
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 05:01 PM
Oct 2018

This is 45 years later, and the perp has already kicked the bucket.

What this does for me is prepare me all the more for Mueller to whitewash the whitehouse. At least to withhold any serious criminal charges. You know...for the good of the country, national security and all that.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
41. I FEAR THE SAME...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 04:01 AM
Nov 2018

America has NEVER EVER done a true self reflection, admit our mistakes take measures to correct them after any major screw up!

...I too fear Mueller could uncover such a wide ranging NASTY ordeal they will hide most of it from WE THE PEOPLE for 50yrs!

dawnie51

(959 posts)
4. See what Mr. Mueller is doing here?
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:06 PM
Oct 2018

Slowly, with purpose, setting the stage. He will follow precedent.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
5. That was my first thought also
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:10 PM
Oct 2018

Mueller doesn't leak, but there are other ways to get the message out there. If this comes from his team, it's brilliant.

sandensea

(23,132 posts)
7. That must be Cheeto's great ambition as president at this point:
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:14 PM
Oct 2018

To leave office as an unindicted co-conspirator, just like Tricky Dick did.

And at least Nixon could claim several real accomplisments when he left office.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
10. don has a tattoo of roger stone,...with a tattoo of nixon on his back,.. on his 'shroomer
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:24 PM
Oct 2018

but you can barely see it (any of it) I'm told by good sourcing.

sandensea

(23,132 posts)
16. They should make a horror movie out of the orange oaf
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:41 PM
Oct 2018

Emoluments Man?

Nightmare on Mar-a-Lago?

sandensea

(23,132 posts)
23. Ah, yes. Those '70s creature features.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:15 PM
Oct 2018

Empire of the Ants, The Kingdom of the Spiders, The Food of the Gods, etc.

They don't make Shlock like they used to. Though goodness knows they still make a lot of it (straight to DVD, of course).

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
25. Sharnado was pretty shlocky - and it got very popular
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:22 PM
Oct 2018

I think Frogs would be perfect - Ray Milland's character as Donald Trump, along with his family members to be picked off by the various creatures one by one. After all, Frogs was set in Florida, though in North Florida, not the south end.

Throw in references to climate change, converting Mar-a-Lago to an island estate, and the plot fits beautifully.

sandensea

(23,132 posts)
29. +1
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:31 PM
Oct 2018

I've never seen that one; will do.

Empire of the Ants was similar in that regard:

South Florida real estate, gullible buyers, an unscrupluous developer, a terrible secret.

The thought of Cheeto running for his life from giant ants or frogs, throwing Melania to their mercy in order to try to save himself, is very amusing I must admit.

groundloop

(13,570 posts)
11. Tiny won't go as easily or gracefully as Nixon
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:27 PM
Oct 2018

I'm afraid we'll know what a real constitutional crisis looks like once Tiny is indicted, I can fully envision him blockading himself in the White House hiding behind a group of military who are loyal to him.

sandensea

(23,132 posts)
17. +1
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:43 PM
Oct 2018

I bet he's already consulting his legal team on the feasability of invoking Continuity of Government powers.

Cheney and the Midland Idiot considered it, after all.

erronis

(22,688 posts)
31. Nor as cleanly as his idol Adolf. He'll botch the poison and just puke on the rest of them
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:38 PM
Oct 2018

that did take his koolaid.

Still having a bunch of mortified dumpists innate on the floor with the orange goon heading to a padded cell would be a dream come true.

(Damn, I love the metaforuses.)

cureautismnow

(1,837 posts)
12. "Prepared" to indict?
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:33 PM
Oct 2018

What does that mean? Five to six months elapsed from the time of their indictment draft until his resignation. Did the prosecutors sit on this for that period of time and use it as incentive for Nixon to resign? What did the grand jury do all of this time waiting for him to resign? Would someone kindly explain this in layman's terms?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
15. This has been reported before
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:39 PM
Oct 2018

The grand jury and the special counsel's staff wanted to indict Nixon. They prepared the documents for his signature, but he refused to sign. He felt it would interfere with existing prosecutions against White House staff. It's not clear what he would have done if the other cases were completed and Nixon was still in office.

cureautismnow

(1,837 posts)
18. Thanks! You're right that it appears to be nothing new.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:55 PM
Oct 2018

I did not know (but just read about) Jaworski's decision to not indict Nixon himself. Nixon's henchmen were indicted on March 1, 1974.

Here's all I need to know why Jaworski (appointed by Bork after the Saturday Night Massacre) didn't drop the axe:

"However, Jaworski did not always support Democratic candidates. He supported Richard Nixon and voted for him twice, contributed to George H.W. Bush in his campaign for the presidency in 1980, and after Bush conceded the nomination he became treasurer of "Democrats for Reagan" during the 1980 general election campaign."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

I hope Mueller does the right thing and follows the grand jury's decision instead of his own opinion regarding DT's potential indictment.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
20. I remember seeing some sort of indictment document
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:05 PM
Oct 2018

It wasn't very detailed. It may have been a cover letter or a draft. The new documents should be useful

erronis

(22,688 posts)
33. We've got to give them an A in consistency. An F in democracy and normal decency.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:41 PM
Oct 2018

And we all know where these failed insect exterminators/used-car salesmen would be without Koch/Mercer/etc. moneybags behind them.

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