Problem Solvers Dems urge Pelosi to publicly back three rules changes
Source: The Hill
Nine Democratic members of the Problem Solvers Caucus are urging prospective Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to back three rules changes as she aims to drum up enough support to lead the House.
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The first proposal would require that any legislation that achieves 290 cosponsors -- three-fifths of the House -- be debated and get a timely floor vote.
The second would mandate that any amendment with at least 20 cosponsors from both parties would get a debate and a vote.
The final proposal says every member in every new Congress can introduce one bill on the committee on which he or she serves that would be guaranteed debate and a committee vote as long as the measure is bipartisan and germane to that panels jurisdiction.
Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/418179-problem-solvers-dems-urge-pelosi-to-back-three-rules-changes
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And will regret it.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)what bullshit.. stop it, Democrats, just stop.
MBS
(9,688 posts)SOO frustrating.
Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)unblock
(52,207 posts)this sort of thing is made to sound reasonable, and it *would* be reasonable if the senate and the white house were equally sincere about just solving problems and finding common ground.
however, arguing that the one institution that democrats hold should have such rules while the institutions republicans hold should be left free to be every bit as partisan as they have been for years is just nuts.
onit2day
(1,201 posts)rickford66
(5,523 posts)Goose ... gander ... red hot rotating railroad rivet
DFW
(54,369 posts)Their "Job-Creators" weren't. Their Problem-Creators are. Get it straight, will ya?
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,163 posts)These Dems are funded by the Koch brothers. If the Koch idiots think these rules are so great why didn't they push them when Repukes were in charge?
It's just another scam being implemented by the kings of capitalism. Why do they need Koch funding? Lieberman started this group. Here are the nine: Josh Gottheimer (NJ), Jim Costa (Calf), Tom O'Halleran (Ariz), Kurt Schrader (Org), Tom Suozzi (NY) Daniel Lipinski (Illinois) Stephanie Murphy (Fla) Vincente Gonzalez (Texas) Darren Soto (Fla) who signed.
Not a smart move to give away so much power so quickly to the party you just kicked out.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Not sure how the third works logistically, but its not earth shattering.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)don't get to change the rules because you lost...these problem solvers are problem makers...this would be a way to hurt entitlements for example.
watoos
(7,142 posts)So if Republicans stick together, which they do, they can get a floor vote on a Bill if they can peel off 90 Democrats.
#2. is insane
#3. is insane.
JI7
(89,248 posts)and just be a figurehead.
Mystery sage
(576 posts)Mystery sage
(576 posts)It just 9 people Pelosi should just give these right-wingers in disguised the hand signal we always give to these type of people who want to tear us apart.
Edit: whoops that not a question
Mystery sage
(576 posts)Only accept if mcturtle restores Senate rules and he must be the first to do so.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,932 posts)Problem solvers my ass, it just gives power to the republicans when they really have none, and will remove it when they win back the house leadership.
lancelyons
(988 posts)Ask these 9 dems if they asked for those rule changes when the GOP had power?
Im guessing NO.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)There's always a call for bipartisanship when we have the power.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)This is what sometimes pisses me right the fuck off with this party. In victory some democrats still figure out how to bend the knee to those who they have vanquished.
We need to crush these nine cowards!
watoos
(7,142 posts)Those 9 Democrats are better than those 200 Repugs. We don't need to crush anyone, just crush these proposals.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)pwb
(11,261 posts)I say no to all their proposals. Welcome to your new office in the washroom.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)That should be the bone they get.
orleans
(34,051 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)I'm not a whip so I don't know how many, if any, votes Nancy needs to peel away from that group. Sometimes you have to throw a bone, sometimes you don't. Nancy has strategically done so when she has to, and she never unnecessarily gives away anything, and never anything vital.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)what is your investment? Emotional? financial? trade last? I mean really.
still_one
(92,187 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Pushing Problem Solvers yesterday and now today speaks of an agenda. This situation reminds me of what is going on in Wisconsin where a Dem will be gov. so the Cons are trying to take the powers of his office away.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)the one I asked yesterday. He just drops this little bomb and runs.
Me.
(35,454 posts)WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)gone to the other side?
winstars
(4,220 posts)But I don't think that Brooklynite is trying to hypnotize DU'ers with posts about these 9 PSC jerks. I see it as just trying to keep us informed about whats going on.
Its just info, not opinion. To me.
And I don't always get answers to questions I pose to OP's in threads that have dozens of relies...
shanny
(6,709 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Gothmog
(145,168 posts)It seems that Nancy Pelosi is ignoring Moulton and this group https://politicalwire.com/2018/11/26/moulton-seeks-negotiations-with-pelosi/
Pelosi, however, has given no indication that she is open to talks with Moulton about a deal for the support of moderate critics, or that she would ever waver in her support for her longtime deputies, Reps. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and James Clyburn (D-SC), who are in line to hold the No. 2 and No. 3 posts in the House next year.
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)This makes me smile https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/27/1815602/-Pelosi-s-momentum-builds-Voting-against-Pelosi-on-the-floor-is-a-vote-for-the-Republican
Connecticuts Jahana Hayes, who had said she wouldnt support Pelosi, cut right to the chase:
Link to tweet
Illinoiss Jesus Chuy Garcia said in a statement that It is time for Democrats to come together and support a unified agenda of progressive values. I urge my freshman colleagues who are undecided to join me in supporting Leader Pelosi.
According to New Hampshires Chris Pappas, after careful consideration and discussion with many constituents and future colleagues in Congress I believe [Pelosi] is best equipped to lead the House at this point in our history.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)Nothing they want done should be done.
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)look what Republicans are proposing to do in the Senate, cut back one member on the judiciary committee.
3 guesses who the junior Democrat is on that committee. Someone who really grilled judge Kavanaugh. Someone who makes the all white male Republican members look bad. That's right folks, Republicans know how to weed out Democrats who make them look bad, the junior Democrat is Kamala Harris. Yeah sure let's work with Republicans they may change their stripes, then again.
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts). . .in clear, concise and unambiguous terms, what problem this really solves.
Gridlock is pretty nebulous. It solves gridlock? Exactly how does it do that?
What specific things would need to be accomplished that this would improve?
Sounds like a powerplay and end run around established leadership. And not all the subtle.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)We Blue Dogs who like getting a ;paycheck for doing nothing but being the jobbers to the GOP want to make sure that nothing actually CHANGES.
still_one
(92,187 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:56 AM - Edit history (1)
republicans.
it is interesting that this is being done AFTER the republicans massively lost the HOUSE in 2018
It is time for Democrats to implement THEIR AGENDA, the Democratic Platform. WE EARNED IT, and the voters expect it.
watoos
(7,142 posts)still_one
(92,187 posts)sheshe2
(83,751 posts)still_one
(92,187 posts)sheshe2
(83,751 posts)I am not going to let/ we are not going to let anyone stand in our way. VOTE!
We have to tolerate blue dogs from some states if we are to have a Democratic majority, but by damn they don't get to run things or make demands of the Speaker. They aren't the ones who won a majority.
still_one
(92,187 posts)still_one
(92,187 posts)these "Problem Solvers" get their way, very little legislation will get out of the House, and our prospects for 2020 will be greatly diminished.
The Senate has been removing the filibuster, and the House from this so-called group want to implement a filibuster type mechanism
Where was this "Problem Solver Caucus" when the Democrats didn't have control of the House?
It isn't a coincidence
After what President Obama had to put up with, and the republicans rubber stamping every draconian proposal from trump for the last two years, I have one statement for them:
"FU*K EM"
The Democrats had a massive win in the House. They have EARNED this. It is time for Democrats to implement the DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM in their legislation. The republicans had their chance.
demgrrrll
(3,590 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Will these rules coopt the majority. Funny the Republicans never had these rules for the minority.
TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Javaman
(62,521 posts)and are trying to pull a fast one.
trying their best to denude the Dem house leadership
just another form of that other group of halfwits that want a new speaker of the house.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Are these people really Republicans posing as Democrats just to sabotage any progressive agenda?
George II
(67,782 posts)You might have something there. I think the "problem" they're trying to solve is to keep Pelosi from being Speaker and, failing that keep her from being an effective Speaker.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Mandating bi-partisanship is a dead giveaway. There's no way that Republicans will say "yes" to ANYTHING, and everyone knows that. Giving Republicans the ability to block legislation pretty much annuls the 2018 elections.
George II
(67,782 posts)...as soon as / if they ever get in control again they'll get rid of them in a NY minute. It's the best of both worlds - "control the Democrats when they're in power, control everyone when we're in power".
cstanleytech
(26,290 posts)any legislation we support which they would then jettison the moment they regained it?
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)turbinetree
(24,695 posts)and medicaid has been under attack. My air, water and food has been under attack.
The government agencies to protect this country have been under funded and have been attacked ...................our science, infrastructure, education, and a host of other programs have been cut, the post office stills has to fund there employee pension plan for another 20 years................. "Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis (good read) shows just how fucked we are getting
Then this country has a pin head running around, inciting race riots, while rubber bullets and tear gas, along the Mexican a border are being used, like those being used at the Gaza Strip, but nope they are being done in Mexico and United States............becasue basically of that racist POS sitting a golf course bilking the American Taxpayers ............
And then having the traitor going on some show and tell, with is funking tiny hands on hips, telling a state that they have to use fucking rakes to prevent forest fires, while this asshole is gutting the EPA and the USDA, that are directly tied to each other, to you know feed the country, which is also has the NOAA under its proverbial umbrella ..........................
And now he want's to shut down my government, because he is a complete and total traitor.
But he wants to increase the military spending, like 716 billion isn't enough.
A manufactured debt of over 1.6 trillion on a tax cut for rich assholes........................and then to top it all off when a new majority takes control of the House (Jan 4, 2019), with over 236+ members, its time to play patty cake, with some other body, that never played patty cake with the minority ever, some group called problem solvers wants to play patty cake.......................................what the fuck am I missing here.....................
November 3, 2020 cannot get here fast enough......................
stopbush
(24,396 posts)lastlib
(23,224 posts)Three-fifths would be 261.
hatrack
(59,584 posts)pecosbob
(7,538 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)I'm guessing they are a result of the "Hastert Rule" the GOP has followed since it gained control meaning no bill gets a vote unless it has majority support of the R caucus. That allowed for a minority of the entire House to block legislation just by refusing to support it in the GOP caucus.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)And are doing so in collaboration with Republicans who never took a similar stance about their own leadership.
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)I am not impressed with this group https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/05/house-problem-solvers-caucus-has-solved-few-problems-bipartisan-critics-allege/?utm_term=.ed0298951137
In addition to supporting partisan agendas, the Problem Solvers campaign talk about their efforts dramatically outweighs their accomplishments, the groups critics say.....
But many members of Congress and their aides expressed skepticism, sometimes bordering on ridicule, that the organization amounted to much more than a useful talking point. Several argued the legislation cited by Reed and Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), the groups Democratic co-chair, would have passed easily with or without the Problem Solvers' support.
They are just roadkill in the legislative process, Jim Manley, who was an aide to former Senate majority leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), said of the Problem Solvers.
Their track record is nonexistent, said Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), a liberal member of Congress. Its more of a political cover operation than real legislative operation theres no policy product.
I am really not impressed with this group
brer cat
(24,562 posts)They are just roadkill in the legislative process,
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)Gothmog
(145,168 posts)orangecrush
(19,546 posts)Problem solved.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)spooky3
(34,444 posts)and win this one. Shes brilliant at it.
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)Gothmog
(145,168 posts)This story makes me smile. Moulton comes off looking like a putsch https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/26/speaker-nancy-pelosi-revolt-seth-moulton-222686
And yet shes still here.
Pelosi strides into Wednesdays House Democratic Caucus elections with her head held high, and her high heels on Moultons neck. She remains without a Democratic challenger. She has unleashed a wave of support from the Democratic faithful, from Barack Obama on down. She turned two of Moultons allies who had, just days before, stated their opposition to her. A third opponent suggested hell vote for Pelosi on the floor if no other Democratic option emerges. And she has kept several other Serve America PAC alumni from jumping aboard Moultons rickety bandwagon. While Pelosi isnt completely in the clear for the final vote on January 3 on the House floorwith Moulton clinging to 14 fellow holdouts and eight other Democrats in the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus playing hard to getshe unquestionably holds the whip hand.
Dumping a historic figure like Pelosi, the first female speaker, after she weathered a Republican blitzkrieg to help her party win back the House, was always going to be a tall order. (And dont say I didnt warn them!) But Moultons operation has been, to borrow some military jargon, FUBAR. Hes poised to not only lose his battle with the party establishment, but to lose in such humiliating fashion that it could ruin his reputation and douse whatever presidential fires may be burning in his belly.