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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:25 AM Dec 2018

Woman gives birth using womb transplanted from dead donor

Source: The Guardian



Patient in Brazil who had been born without uterus gives birth to baby girl

Nicola Davis

A woman in Brazil has successfully given birth after receiving a womb from a dead donor, the first time such a procedure has been successful.

While researchers in countries including Sweden and the US have previously succeeded in transplanting wombs from living donors into women who have gone on to give birth, experts said the latest development was a significant advance.

“With a deceased donor, you reduce the risk because you don’t have the risk to the donor – and you reduce the costs, too, because you don’t have the hospitalisation and the very long surgery of the donor,” said Dr Dani Ejzenberg of the University of São Paulo, who led the research.

Ejzenberg said that finding a living donor could also be difficult, while coordinating operations was logistically challenging.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/04/woman-gives-birth-using-womb-transplanted-from-dead-donor

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Woman gives birth using womb transplanted from dead donor (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2018 OP
THIS IS AMAZING!!! PJMcK Dec 2018 #1
I'm coming along here montana_hazeleyes Dec 2018 #2
If the uterus hadn't been rejected by the recipient Lars39 Dec 2018 #3
Thanks Lars39. montana_hazeleyes Dec 2018 #4
I'm just guessing! Lars39 Dec 2018 #5
Makes sense. montana_hazeleyes Dec 2018 #6
I hope they release more info on it. Lars39 Dec 2018 #7
thank god the donor was dead Demonaut Dec 2018 #8
? Thank the law and human decency, especially the donor's. Hortensis Dec 2018 #9
No. Just no. Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #10
Antirejection drugs for as long as she has the donor uterus... LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #11
They took the uterus out. She won't need any anti-rejection drugs. LisaL Dec 2018 #17
Likely true - but since most transplants are intended to last for life, Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #21
The purpose of anirejection drugs is to keep one's body from attacking the transplanted organ. LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #23
Agreed Bayard Dec 2018 #12
Of course it's not for everyone blugbox Dec 2018 #13
Are you serious? Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #14
That's not accurate. LisaL Dec 2018 #16
That may be accurate - Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #22
She will not need any anti-rejection drugs because transplanted uterus is removed. LisaL Dec 2018 #27
I wish the article had addressed the question of possible effects pnwmom Dec 2018 #15
You can find that information. LisaL Dec 2018 #18
That's good to know. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #19
People with transplants of other organs give birth - Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #24
Right. The article above lists several drugs, and some of them pnwmom Dec 2018 #25
I totally agree Raine Dec 2018 #28
So you oppose to her body, her choice? LisaL Dec 2018 #29
maybe someday soon "pro-life" men can be implanted with uteruses (uteri?) 0rganism Dec 2018 #20
My grandmother always said that if men had babies woodsprite Dec 2018 #26
With this technique, it might be possible for a man to gestate a baby. LisaL Dec 2018 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author diva77 Dec 2018 #31

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
1. THIS IS AMAZING!!!
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:28 AM
Dec 2018

I was just about to post this, too!

Science, baby, science.

Major tip o' the hat to these incredibles scientists, aka, doctors.

In the world of Trump, this is a wonderful story!

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
2. I'm coming along here
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:36 AM
Dec 2018

with an off the wall question. But it was the first thing I thought of. If a woman has a donor uterus, can she feel contractions?

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
10. No. Just no.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:20 AM
Dec 2018

Anti-rejection meds for the rest of the life of the recipient -in excess of $100,000/year.

That's one expensive baby - not to mention the not insignificant side effects attached to those drugs.

Adopt. Use a surrogate. Just because science can do something, doesn't mean it should.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
11. Antirejection drugs for as long as she has the donor uterus...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:39 AM
Dec 2018

Not necessarily for the rest of her life.

I agree, an expensive baby. And there are many options. But with the wealth inequality that we have now, the rich have to find things new on which to spend money.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
21. Likely true - but since most transplants are intended to last for life,
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:12 PM
Dec 2018

I am not sure of the implications of removing a transplant in terms of ending the need for anti-rejection meds. You don't remove a liver - so whether a need for anti-rejecton drugs after it is removed isn't something I have experience with. But I wouldn't rule it out.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
23. The purpose of anirejection drugs is to keep one's body from attacking the transplanted organ.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:27 PM
Dec 2018

If you need the organ to keep working, it must be protected from the immune system of the new host. For an organ that has been removed, there is not a concern if the host's immune system attacks foreign material.

If they removed the donor uterus, she needs no anti-rejection drugs. She may not have needed much if any during the pregnancy, a fetus is half foreign and the body of a pregnant woman compensates.

I am not a doctor, so I can't rule it out. But my knowledge says that it highly unlikely she has further need, certainly not for life.

Bayard

(22,069 posts)
12. Agreed
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:51 AM
Dec 2018

All this just to experience the "miracle" of birth. There are millions of kids out there looking for good parents.

blugbox

(951 posts)
13. Of course it's not for everyone
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:52 AM
Dec 2018

But how does science ever advance?

The only way we've advanced to where we are is by doing experimental procedures. Those are always expensive. After time though, like everything else, if it becomes more common it'll get cheaper and more advanced.

The cost of those meds could come waaaay down, or we find a way around rejection. We don't get there without this current step though.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
14. Are you serious?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:31 PM
Dec 2018
The cost of those meds could come waaaay down, or we find a way around rejection. We don't get there without this current step though.


This is not an issue tied specifically to the uterus - it has to do wtih the body trying to destroy foreign invaders, of whatever sort - liver, heart, kidney, etc. So any way around anti-rejection drugs will have absolutely nothing to do with "this current step." We have been doing transplants for more than 6 decades. With few exceptions, all transplants require anti-rejecion drugs, and in 6 decades prices have not gone "waaay down," if anything they have gotten more expensive as more effective anti-rejection drugs enter the market.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
16. That's not accurate.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:02 PM
Dec 2018

They removed the uterus after the birth of the child. She will not need anti-rejection drugs for the rest of her life.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
22. That may be accurate -
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:17 PM
Dec 2018

I don't know. My experience is with permanent transplants. Cells do not always stay put (metastasis, for example, involves cells moving from one location in the body to another - so i would not rule out the need for ongoing anti-rejection drugs without more infomation.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
27. She will not need any anti-rejection drugs because transplanted uterus is removed.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:13 AM
Dec 2018

That has been reported in the actual article about this case. So there are no issues with needing anti-rejections drugs after the delivery.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
15. I wish the article had addressed the question of possible effects
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:40 PM
Dec 2018

of immune-suppressive drugs on the developing fetus.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
24. People with transplants of other organs give birth -
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:34 PM
Dec 2018

they are on the same meds, so it wouldn't be any different.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
25. Right. The article above lists several drugs, and some of them
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:46 AM
Dec 2018

appear to be okay for the fetus, and others shouldn't be given.

0rganism

(23,953 posts)
20. maybe someday soon "pro-life" men can be implanted with uteruses (uteri?)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:32 PM
Dec 2018

so they can finally practice what they preach...

woodsprite

(11,914 posts)
26. My grandmother always said that if men had babies
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:53 AM
Dec 2018

Abortions and reliable birth control would be sacraments.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
30. With this technique, it might be possible for a man to gestate a baby.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:29 AM
Dec 2018

I guess he will also need hormone injections.

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