Schiff: Trump may face 'real prospect of jail time'

[trailmonkee]

Source: The Hill

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) on Sunday said that President Trump might "face the real prospect of jail time" after prosecutors indicated last week that he directed illegal payments during his 2016 presidential campaign.

"There’s a very real prospect that on the day Donald Trump leaves office, the Justice Department may indict him. That he may be the first president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time," he said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

@AdamSchiff on the Russia Investigation: "My takeaway is there's a very real prospect that on the day Donald Trump leaves office the justice department may indict him. That he may be the first president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time."



Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/420450-schiff-trump-may-face-real-prospect-of-jail-time

[elmac]

1. He could give himself a blanket pardon and his fascist supreme court would back him up.

or his boy pence will pardon him. That is the way fascism works.

[onetexan]

18. he can't pardon himself

[NewJeffCT]

20. While I think even the RW SCOTUS would rule against a self-pardon

I don't think there has been a definitive ruling one way or another on that.

[elmac]

24. correct. Its uncharted territory and nothing tRump does is by the book. nt

[PJMcK]

27. Don't be so cynical

Remember that the Supreme Court will want to protect its own legitimacy in the post-Trump era. If they protect an obvious criminal, they will diminish their own authority. That seems unlikely, even for the most partisan jurists.

Have a little optimism. It feels good to see the developments where Trump is getting cornered. It will be a glorious moment when he's trapped.

[elmac]

31. Remember, Democracy has been replaced with a capitaliistic plutocracy, all the old norms don't apply

I would bet all tRump will get is a big reality show gig when its all said and done.

[shockey80]

2. Trump, his family, his business will face New York State charges.

You can't pardon them.

[erronis]

9. But there is that case before SCOTUS about double jeopardy - not sure if a pardon takes precedence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble_v._United_States

[Armymedic88]

11. If there's

Never any federal charges brought against him then it's not double jeopardy.

[erronis]

12. Can a pardon be issued prospectively - before a guilty verdict?

If so, that implies guilt and a federal absolution. In the current layout, Pence _might_ pardon the orange thing.

If not, that means dump can't pardon himself.

Isn't it fun being in a time when "normal" procedures and policies don't apply? (rhetorical question.)

[mobeau69]

22. A pardon can be given for crimes that MAY have occurred during a specified time period.

[UpInArms]

25. Poppy Bush pardoned

Casper Weinberger

ANATOMY OF A PARDON: WHY WEINBERGER WALKED

[erronis]

29. I remember this only upon reading your link - thank you.

It's so hard to keep all the intrigues and scandals in memory over 50-60-70 years. Not involved in any of these activities but working in the Pentagon and running into Weinberger/others in hallways.

It seems that justice can be bent for those that have some special juice - not for 99.9% of us.

[UpInArms]

35. There is a very comprehensive read that begins with a Salon article

George H.W. Bush shaped history — but not the way we’re told

And continues thrhough a complete history from WhoWhatWgenWhy.org

That is very well worth the time invested

For Part 1, please go here; Part 2, here; Part 3, here; Part 4, here; Part 5, here; Part 6, here;Part 7, here; Part 8, here; Part 9, here; Part 10, here.

[NewJeffCT]

21. From what I understand on that

it's highly unlikely the SCOTUS will overrule the state ability charge somebody that was charged with federal crimes.

[PatSeg]

3. I wonder if Trump has seen this yet

That should set off some rage Tweets for sure.

[Chemisse]

4. I guess that means he'll be doing all that's necessary to win in 2020.

With nothing to lose, he could really go on an election-rigging crime spree.

[Talitha]

5. Sure the election will be rigged...

Didn't Ivanka just cut a deal to buy voting machines made in China?

[GregD]

10. thanks for this info

I had not heard about this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-ivanka/china-grants-more-trademark-approvals-for-ivanka-trump-firm-including-voting-machines-idUSKCN1NB0TL

[erronis]

13. Wow! China and the USSR (aka putinstan) are fighting over pwning the US

Who can do the most dastardly deed to that bumbling idiot who has the temerity to think it polices the planet.

[FakeNoose]

43. I think the China trademarks means she can sell things in China

In other words, she can now sell voting machines to China, or her fashion line. China doesn't give trademarks for buying things AFAIK.

[Eddie18]

6. Trump's base is weakening over Mueller issue

As we know, the Trump base primarily is older, less educated, rural, truckers, Midwest grange hall types, former enlisted Marines (Air Force alums don't wear those hats, for example) and prefer the color red. As this news continues to roll in, some of them will soften but if Access Hollywood is any indicator. most will stand firm for now. Why? The real reason is embarrassment and, of course, ignorance to facts and other opinions. When you go to the local cafe in a small Midwest town or a truck stop in Florida or even a Senior Center in Texas, the usual banter supports your cause. I was once asked by a MAGA imbecile (see IQ scale) why I was a Democrat and I responded "Because I went to college and got something out of it." Silence. Adam Schiff is correct but how long will it take to get him out of the White House remains the question. My answer? Nothing lasts forever.

[Texin]

8. I've seen no real indication that this is true. At least the polls don't reflect that.

He has about a 35% approval with his "base". And that's about the number of baked-in perennial GOP supporters in general who would never vote for anyone other than a rethug (if they bother to vote at all).

I want to see him impeached, convicted and indicted by the justice system. I'm far from convinced that's going to happen. Especially the part about the senate convicting him. I believe the best hope we have for the future would be for Mueller just open the floodgate of his illegalities to him and the public and telling him what his realistic expectations are to stay out of one of multiple possible prison terms. At that point, he could offer up a plea deal which might include the bargain that he will not recommend prosecution on federal crimes if he agrees to resign from office. I don't know whether that's a likely scenario or not, but if it appears that the noose is further tightening around his bloated neck, several rethugs in congress may appeal to him (or to any of his tight circle on his behalf), who confront him with resignation or prosecution. I just can't foresee an actual end-game at this time.

[MyOwnPeace]

28. Does the U.S.A.

have a rope strong enough to hold his bloated ass?

[Grasswire2]

7. There is a call from some quarters to test the "premise" that POTUS cannot be indicted.

It has never been tested.

What would be the downside to that? The attempt might get enough evidence in the public eye to stave off a 2020 run.

[LovingA2andMI]

14. Three Words....

LOCK HIM UP!

[Auggie]

15. I love Schiff, but IMO he should keep his mouth shut ...

and wait until 1) Final indictments, and 2) Dems take control of the House.

[dlk]

16. I'm Glad Schiff is Speaking the Truth About Trump and the Potential for Jail Time

Someone needs to speak out and confront the Republican lie machine. As for double jeopardy concerns, I don't see the state crimes, e.g., the bogus foundation crimes, being indicted on the federal level, so there would be no double jeopardy. The truth is that at some point, Trump is toast and he knows it.

[ProgressiveKnight]

17. So GOP What About "Law and Order"?

I believe he must be impeached and there needs to be a follow-up. Trump and his dynasty need to be made an example. We cannot "congratulate" ourselves after the removal of Trump because the disease is not fully removed.

1. What would have happened if the Democrats did not win the 2018 election and/or it was tampered with by Putin?

2. Alternative Facts and Birther Donny Epistemology have embedded themselves in the American right wing.

3. The behavior of the GOP 2016 House of Reps must be investigated. Folks remember when Michelle Bachmann wanted an investigation of the House for being "UnAmerican"? Trump is the legacy of Obama's tepid response to the LIES of "Birtherism" and "death panels". Trump is the legacy of "Silly Season". By the way Fox News, where are the Death Panels? By the way CNN and MSNBC why are you not slamming FoxNews day and night for giving voice to these lies? - Yet we wonder why we got Trump? Trump is the legacy of not standing up to the lies!

4. If Trump is removed we will have Mike Pence - oh great! But I doubt he can rally the Trump base concerning offshoring of jobs so perhaps he would lose in 2020.

5. We CELEBRATE STUPIDITY in America. With FoxNews and "alternative fact epistemology" still running rampant. Trump must go to jail as the next Trump may have "focus", and "more self-discipline" than Trump.

6. Which is worse: The open attacks on our democracy and rule of law by Trump OR The excuse making by Republicans. Add to that a third factor: Democrats not shouting from the roof top.

7. Trump and his dynasty if convicted must go to jail. Just imagine if Obama was "pals" with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and a FoxNews journalist where killed and sliced up?

8. The stupidity of WORSHIPPING the rich will still continue. That is why Trump must go to jail.

9. Could this corruption extend beyond Trump to Mitch McConnel and Ruddy Guilliani?

LOCK HIM UP! But no we will "turn the page". God help America

[MyOwnPeace]

30. Some good points there,

especially#3! We cannot be quiet - we've got to stand up and shout - and I love that Rep. Schiff is doing just that!
And yes, the "networks" do not need to be worried about "fair and equal" - they need to focus on TRUTH!

And "Welcome!" to DU, PK!!

[BigmanPigman]

33. We need to start chanting "Lock THEM up".

There must be at least 20 members in the House and Senate who are guilty too.

[dflprincess]

40. I just want this played every time something new is reported about the crime famile

[SHRED]

19. May?

[INdemo]

23. I believe there are other significant Repukes that are known to have

committed crimes but have not been mentioned yet..They too should face jail time.
McConnell.Ryan,Rubio,Graham and other Republicans..
They received Russian money and help and want to end the Mueller probe so they wont be exposed ..but little late for that..

I would still bet McConnell had help in his Senate re-election race in 2014..

[BigmanPigman]

32. I am with you on this one!

We need to nail every single one of them who took Russian money and/or obstructed the investigation using their political positions. I hope Mueller is looking into their individual campaigns as well as the money coming from particular PACs and the RNC.

[erronis]

36. So any critter receiving funds from the NRA are potentially involved with the russkis?

On the face of it, this question seems simplistic.

If the NRA was a major conduit of russian (and other source) funding then the amounts spent might have some bearing on their fealty to the funders.

[bluestarone]

39. I've always believed this!!! THAT'S why somehow we really need to

Go after the head of the snake(RUMP) FIRST!!!! That will stop ALL PARDONS!! I feel The repugs have had this plan to watch each others back from day one! (even up to the supreme court) Dems. gotta be smart how they continue, but I do have faith in them!!!!

[UpInArms]

26. Schiff loves to goad

the Orange Shitgibbon

He knows that every tweetstorm provides more evidence

[MyOwnPeace]

34. Absolutely!

Every time he rattles the cage we get another "tweet!"

[FakeNoose]

44. I've noticed that Schiff never mentions Ryan or McConnell

... or really any Congressional or Senate GOP members. It looks like he's fixated on getting Trump. And yet he has to know enough to take down Nunes, if not all of the others. He only talks about Individual-1.

[ffr]

37. Citizen Donald Trump committed these crimes before election day, before he was president.

Remember that.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

38. Lock him up!

Lock him up!

[tclambert]

41. I want a promise from the next Democratic presidential nominee:

no pardon for Trump!

[Martin Eden]

42. That's motive for staying in office as long as he can.

... and one more reason for kicking his ass to the curb, the sooner the better.

[mickswalkabout41]

45. The authors of our constitution

Said that no man is above the law. What do we mean when we believe you can’t indibt a standing president? And even argue that he can pardon himself. No man. None. Is above the law.