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Eugene

(61,881 posts)
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:17 PM Dec 2018

Donald Trump insists shutdown will not end unless Congress funds border wall

Source: The Guardian and agencies

Donald Trump has marked Christmas Day by insisting the partial shutdown of the federal government will last until his demand for funds to build a wall on the US-Mexico border is met.

The US government partially shut down on Saturday, and there is not yet any sign of tangible efforts to reopen agencies closed by a political impasse over Trump’s demand for border wall funds.

“I can’t tell you when the government is going to reopen,” Trump said, speaking after a Christmas Day video conference with US troops serving abroad. “I can tell you it’s not going to reopen until we have a wall, a fence, whatever they’d like to call it. I’ll call it whatever they want, but it’s all the same thing. It’s a barrier from people pouring into the country, from drugs.”

He added: “If you don’t have that [the wall], then we’re just not opening.”

-snip-

Victoria Bekiempis and agencies
Tue 25 Dec 2018 16.25 GMT


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/25/donald-trump-government-shutdown-will-not-end-unless-congress-funds-border-wall

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Donald Trump insists shutdown will not end unless Congress funds border wall (Original Post) Eugene Dec 2018 OP
If he holds out, & he might cuz he's heartless fuck, eventually people will start to blame the dems. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #1
Except there's video of Trump saying Mr.Bill Dec 2018 #9
Cult 45 won't care. We have all sorts of video of him contradicting himself & lying. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #19
Drumpf made it clear who was responsible for the shutdown. We don't have to play along with the politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2018 #36
A scary prediction for how Dems might cave. bitterross Dec 2018 #26
On Jan 3, the House can pass a Clean Bill and the Senate will do the same. PubliusEnigma Dec 2018 #27
Are you so certain he will act reasonably? -nt CrispyQ Dec 2018 #28
So will congressional Republicans join the Democrats and override Trump's veto of a CR? Girard442 Dec 2018 #2
Don't hold your breath. sellitman Dec 2018 #16
"Drowning Man Refuses to Let Go of Concrete Block" forgotmylogin Dec 2018 #3
He's got time to tweet durablend Dec 2018 #4
What if . . . . . . no_hypocrisy Dec 2018 #5
Yes. That's why Paul Ryan wouldn't all a clean CR to come to the House floor. Bleacher Creature Dec 2018 #6
That assumes Rethuglians want gov't to work! at140 Dec 2018 #21
If the senate rethugs are fine with this bluestarone Dec 2018 #7
Impeachment or removal via the 25th Amendment could also end the shutdown. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2018 #8
That 85% approval rating in base has spooked them! at140 Dec 2018 #22
Whatever it takes Racerdog1 Dec 2018 #10
That's interesting duforsure Dec 2018 #11
This is the " Trump Shutdown"... FarPoint Dec 2018 #12
"It is a barrier from people pouring into the country, from drugs. Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #13
Override California_Republic Dec 2018 #14
Trump Is Holding the Country Hostage... TomCADem Dec 2018 #15
Wait and see... berlin_expat Dec 2018 #17
Trump and the Republicans don't want our Government to work. This shut down plays well with jalan48 Dec 2018 #18
Trump in Christmas remarks says shutdown won't end until he gets money for wall at140 Dec 2018 #20
Stop killing children, Trump. C_U_L8R Dec 2018 #23
As a furloughed Federal employee... James48 Dec 2018 #24
This will make lots of GOP federal workers workinclasszero Dec 2018 #25
The House and Senate put the bill in his hands.. dubyadiprecession Dec 2018 #29
Maybe he knows Jr and other kids duforsure Dec 2018 #30
drumpf doesn't do any of the horrible things he does to "distract". he does them because he's a Takket Dec 2018 #33
No. paleotn Dec 2018 #31
Trump insists. But we know he's always lying. dchill Dec 2018 #32
Congress can override a veto Politicub Dec 2018 #34
Cabinet Smackdown2019 Dec 2018 #35
Ultimatums are dangerous, no matter who makes them n/t TexasBushwhacker Dec 2018 #37

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
1. If he holds out, & he might cuz he's heartless fuck, eventually people will start to blame the dems.
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:24 PM
Dec 2018

The media will show stories of people affected by the shutdown & start pointing the finger at the dems & within 48 hours the narrative will turn & it will be the dems shutdown. He has also made the government shutdown the priority for Congress when they return. I just can't believe we can't rid ourselves of this evil fucker.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
9. Except there's video of Trump saying
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:41 PM
Dec 2018

he will take all the blame and he is proud to shut down the government.

The DNC need to turn that video into an ad and spend some money putting it all over TV. And an audio version on radio. Make it so no one can get through a day without hearing it.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
19. Cult 45 won't care. We have all sorts of video of him contradicting himself & lying.
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:42 PM
Dec 2018

As far as the DNC, they should have done that already! They had one small window to brand it the Trump Shutdown & they let it pass. Now he is tweeting non-stop about the "democrats" shutdown & since the media reports every tweet, it will soon officially be the democrats shutdown.

My gripe is with the DNC in so many cases like this. It's like they don't recognize that a part of getting elected, & creating & passing legislation is marketing.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
36. Drumpf made it clear who was responsible for the shutdown. We don't have to play along with the
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 11:48 PM
Dec 2018

Skitzo's " no the Dems did it. The more we ignore him the better. Nancy said that the Dems would re-open the Government when the Dems take over on Jan 3 and I take her at her word. Yes they can still produce commercials with Drump taking responsibility, but I don't think it will matter one way or the other. Drumpf is on camera as taking responsibility for the shutdown, and the majority of the American people aren't stupid.

All I want for Christmas is an indictment of Drumpf from Mueller. Make it happen Santa.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
26. A scary prediction for how Dems might cave.
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 04:59 PM
Dec 2018

I hope this does not come to pass. It might well. And then Dems in Red states might cave.

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
27. On Jan 3, the House can pass a Clean Bill and the Senate will do the same.
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 05:08 PM
Dec 2018

Do you really think that Trump will refuse to sign?

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
2. So will congressional Republicans join the Democrats and override Trump's veto of a CR?
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:25 PM
Dec 2018

To me this would be the best way out and would also signal the effective end of the Trump presidency. I'm trying to stay optimistic.

no_hypocrisy

(46,094 posts)
5. What if . . . . . .
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:27 PM
Dec 2018

The House and the Senate have a veto-proof vote on the Budget?

Wouldn't that re-open the Government?

at140

(6,110 posts)
21. That assumes Rethuglians want gov't to work!
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:55 PM
Dec 2018

The freedom caucus in House and hard right wing in senate will make it difficult to override the veto.

8. Impeachment or removal via the 25th Amendment could also end the shutdown.
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:41 PM
Dec 2018

Of course, that would require the Repukes to grow a spine, so that's not going to happen.

at140

(6,110 posts)
22. That 85% approval rating in base has spooked them!
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:57 PM
Dec 2018

The rethugs hate Drumpf but have no balls to oppose him openly.
They are paralyzed with fear he will hold a rally in their district and primary them.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
11. That's interesting
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:51 PM
Dec 2018

Since the longer this goes on the more republicans will be voted out of office for this happening , and allowing it to continue without doing something, so he's hurting them by doing this. He won't be running, and probably forced to resign before long anyway. The Senate will be next to be flipped against him, and he won't be able to do anything from it,and be under even more pressure as they zero in on him and all his corruption. He's destroying all other republicans chances , and the longer they wait and do nothing, the fewer will be left after the 2020 election. Its backfiring on trump , and killing the remaining republicans chances.

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
12. This is the " Trump Shutdown"...
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:51 PM
Dec 2018

Always refer to it as such, always and tag along a GOP Senator's name too while you are at it.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
13. "It is a barrier from people pouring into the country, from drugs.
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:51 PM
Dec 2018

I know what he meant to write, but that is not what he wrote.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
15. Trump Is Holding the Country Hostage...
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:17 PM
Dec 2018

...and threatening to shoot the hostage. Can you imagine his demands when it gets to the debt limit.

jalan48

(13,863 posts)
18. Trump and the Republicans don't want our Government to work. This shut down plays well with
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:41 PM
Dec 2018

their strategy. A smaller, more privatized government is what they are after.

at140

(6,110 posts)
20. Trump in Christmas remarks says shutdown won't end until he gets money for wall
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 02:50 PM
Dec 2018

"The shutdown has fueled the year-end chaos that appears to be enveloping Trump's presidency, along with plummeting stock markets, intraparty warfare over the ouster of Defense Secretary James Mattis and troop withdrawals from Syria and Afghanistan and the Russia investigation."

Read more at:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/422821-trump-digs-in-as-shutdown-enters-fourth-day

Me thinks Drumpf is bringing troops from Syria home sooner than what military wants,
and use that money to build the Wall.



James48

(4,435 posts)
24. As a furloughed Federal employee...
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 03:25 PM
Dec 2018

I can wait until Congress has enough votes to override the bastards veto, He is impeached and removed, or he is defeated in 2020.

I got some savings- my fellow workers and I are so pissed at this bastard we will hold out, get another job, or will just be happy to get food from a food bank. Make this a hole go down. It is 100% on him.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
25. This will make lots of GOP federal workers
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 04:44 PM
Dec 2018

see the error of their voting ways.
I bet they will be tired of winning real soon!

dubyadiprecession

(5,708 posts)
29. The House and Senate put the bill in his hands..
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 05:48 PM
Dec 2018

Now all Democrats, Independents and even Republicans need to bombard the Whitehouse with correspondence, demanding that he sign it!

This what we all must do.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
33. drumpf doesn't do any of the horrible things he does to "distract". he does them because he's a
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 07:58 PM
Dec 2018

stupid piece of shit

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
34. Congress can override a veto
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 09:37 PM
Dec 2018

I doubt republicans will grow enough of a spine to assemble a supermajority to overturn a veto of a budget bill, but stranger things have happened.

Smackdown2019

(1,186 posts)
35. Cabinet
Tue Dec 25, 2018, 10:49 PM
Dec 2018

Could Trump be slated to a cabinet meeting that turn south on him, where the nuclear option be imposed?

Remember that 25 amendment? Section 4!

Do you believe the Democrats will agree with ANY Republican for the selection of a VP? Remember they went nuclear on the supreme court justice nominee and forbade to vote on Obama's supreme court pick.

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