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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:15 AM Dec 2018

Trump's 'bone spurs' are a lie: Daughter of podiatrist who helped get president out of Vietnam servi

Source: The Raw Story

The daughters of the late Dr. Larry Braunstein, a one-time podiatrist based in Queens, have told the New York Times that their father helped President Donald Trump escape getting drafted during the Vietnam War by fabricating a diagnosis of bone spurs in his feet.

56-year-old Dr. Elysa Braunstein tells the Times that her late father implied that Trump did not suffer from a debilitating foot ailment, and that he offered the bogus diagnosis as a favor to Trump patriarch Fred Trump.

“I know it was a favor,” explains Elysa Braunstein, whose account was also corroborated by her sister, Sharon Kessel. “What he got was access to Fred Trump. If there was anything wrong in the building, my dad would call and Trump would take care of it immediately. That was the small favor that he got.”

The daughters also believe their father was assisted by Dr. Manny Weinstein, a podiatrist who first moved into a Trump-owned apartment in the same year that the future president got his exemption from the military draft. The daughters aren’t certain that Weinstein, who passed away in 1995, helped their father concoct Trump’s foot ailment, but they said their father “often mentioned” Weinstein when discussing the Trump deferment scheme.

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/trumps-bone-spurs-lie-daughter-podiatrist-helped-get-president-vietnam-service



The NY Times story: Did a Queens Podiatrist Help Donald Trump Avoid Vietnam?

In the fall of 1968, Donald J. Trump received a timely diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels that led to his medical exemption from the military during Vietnam.

For 50 years, the details of how the exemption came about, and who made the diagnosis, have remained a mystery, with Mr. Trump himself saying during the presidential campaign that he could not recall who had signed off on the medical documentation.

Now a possible explanation has emerged about the documentation. It involves a foot doctor in Queens who rented his office from Mr. Trump’s father, Fred C. Trump, and a suggestion that the diagnosis was granted as a courtesy to the elder Mr. Trump.

The podiatrist, Dr. Larry Braunstein, died in 2007. But his daughters say their father often told the story of coming to the aid of a young Mr. Trump during the Vietnam War as a favor to his father.
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Trump's 'bone spurs' are a lie: Daughter of podiatrist who helped get president out of Vietnam servi (Original Post) Julian Englis Dec 2018 OP
WHAT?!?! I'M SHOCKED!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #1
IT'S A LIE!!i!1!i Hugin Dec 2018 #10
Wow, this is... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #2
I'm gobsmocked! YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #6
Duh. TNNurse Dec 2018 #3
Of course it was a lie mindem Dec 2018 #4
IOW Botany Dec 2018 #5
Or it was payment "in kind" FakeNoose Dec 2018 #27
Yellow bellied draft dodging chickenhawk punk f*ckin' coward POS with low stamina Submariner Dec 2018 #7
You're being way too nice to the poor boytard! erronis Dec 2018 #30
Traitor Trump is also A Draft Dodging Coward Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #32
MY doctor wouldn't write me a letter that claimed illness prevented me from traveling no_hypocrisy Dec 2018 #8
I'll bet it wasn't just as a favor.... probably a threat involved groundloop Dec 2018 #12
This right here AllyCat Dec 2018 #17
ding ding ding!!! eom LittleGirl Dec 2018 #37
republican lies are dangerous for America Achilleaze Dec 2018 #9
doesn't matter wither way beachbum bob Dec 2018 #11
Cadet Bogus Bonespurs trusty elf Dec 2018 #13
He got a 'Neatness and Order' medal at his military academy. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #14
That had to have also been bought and/or extorted. Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #16
Avoiding STDs was Trump's personal Vietnam. Freethinker65 Dec 2018 #15
Which is an insult to those of us who went there. n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2018 #72
Why didn't we hear about this before he was elected?? SHRED Dec 2018 #18
That, friend, is the $64,000 question. Nt raccoon Dec 2018 #21
Exactly. LisaM Dec 2018 #24
Well this would certainly explain how he AllyCat Dec 2018 #19
Don't forget his spectacular tennis skills! Judi Lynn Dec 2018 #44
Hmmm. A comparison of his Draft Registration physical examination report NCjack Dec 2018 #20
You didn't get a physical when you registered with SSS. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #22
You are correct. generalbetrayus Dec 2018 #36
I'm like Trump. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #38
Just like everything else trump claims duforsure Dec 2018 #23
Of course this too is a lie. LiberalBrooke Dec 2018 #25
You know PatSeg Dec 2018 #26
It happened with a fair amount of frequency. Paladin Dec 2018 #33
Yeah I don't hold it against anyone, draft dodging was the national sport at the time. EX500rider Dec 2018 #43
But we're talking about people who supported the war in Vietnam ducking it. LisaM Dec 2018 #47
A bit of personal history geralmar Dec 2018 #57
Goodness. LisaM Dec 2018 #60
Yes PatSeg Dec 2018 #45
I hope you're not suggesting that I'm giving GWB or trump a pass on their post-war activities. Paladin Dec 2018 #46
Oh no, of course not PatSeg Dec 2018 #50
The Drs probably saved lives. trump would... Whiskeytide Dec 2018 #67
That's a really good point PatSeg Dec 2018 #69
So, if that doctor had not lied, Trump might have been killed in action, instead of a good man, and Doodley Dec 2018 #28
Yep. volstork Dec 2018 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Dec 2018 #62
Nah; he'd have been 'in the rear; with the gear...' EarthFirst Dec 2018 #73
K&R Scurrilous Dec 2018 #29
Everything about this putrid hose-beast is a lie Politicub Dec 2018 #31
Veterans always knew it was a lie. pwb Dec 2018 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Dec 2018 #59
Not exactly a surprise radical noodle Dec 2018 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Dec 2018 #61
That sounds like Cheney radical noodle Dec 2018 #65
He's been con-ning all his life. Raised to be "THE BEST LIAR AND CONMAN EVER"! The Wielding Truth Dec 2018 #40
The Flim Flam President elmac Dec 2018 #41
This proves canetoad Dec 2018 #42
Do bone spurs go away? Would they be listed on his physical by Adm Ronny Jackson? keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #48
Now if we could just find a proctologist who will label him as contagious peekaloo Dec 2018 #49
We all know where his tweet inspiration comes from RainCaster Dec 2018 #70
So, 3 docs have lied so far that we know to help the #trumpCrimeFamily riversedge Dec 2018 #51
There are so many things to call him. ginnyinWI Dec 2018 #52
Coward Pepsidog Dec 2018 #53
Yeah! Rush Limbaugh got out of the draft because of a butt cyst. KWR65 Dec 2018 #54
Too late. The time to confess this knowledge was during his campaign. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #55
Not a big surprise - his entire life is full of lies Rhiannon12866 Dec 2018 #56
Did anyone buy the 'bone-spur' excuse in the first place? YOHABLO Dec 2018 #58
Everything about Trump is a lie MrScorpio Dec 2018 #63
ASS HOLE COWARD trueblue2007 Dec 2018 #64
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #66
Trump tried to show off his bone spur to his biographer: 'I didn't see anything' Judi Lynn Dec 2018 #68
My reaction to this Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2018 #71

mindem

(1,580 posts)
4. Of course it was a lie
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:24 AM
Dec 2018

The real shock in anything about drumph would be if even the slightest little bit of truth existed in anything he did. Everything about him is a lie.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
5. IOW
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:25 AM
Dec 2018

Fred Trump paid Dr. Braunstein to diagnosis Donny with bone spurs so he did
not have to go to Vietnam.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
27. Or it was payment "in kind"
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:02 AM
Dec 2018

Namely the doctor did it as a favor in order to gain access to Fred Trump who was a wealthy successful landlord in Queens and Brooklyn. The OP article states that Dr. Braunstein (and presumably Dr. Weinstein) would notify Mr. Trump of any problems on the property and Mr. Trump made sure they were fixed immediately. It's possible the Mr. Trump may have referred new podiatry patients to the doctors and sent them new business.

It's a different kind of payment, but I imagine it happened a lot during the Vietnam War years. It was well known that only the poor kids got drafted in those years, the rich kids mostly got off in one way or another.

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
7. Yellow bellied draft dodging chickenhawk punk f*ckin' coward POS with low stamina
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:28 AM
Dec 2018

All that KFC and gravy coursing through his arteries from Xmas din-din and and that low life still lives.

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
32. Traitor Trump is also A Draft Dodging Coward
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:23 AM
Dec 2018

Figures this type of person is what the RepubliCONS, little Putin and capitalist kings would offer up to be the leader of a country...very pathetic.

no_hypocrisy

(46,088 posts)
8. MY doctor wouldn't write me a letter that claimed illness prevented me from traveling
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:29 AM
Dec 2018

to Germany, in order to get a refund on the airline ticket.

Guess I went to the wrong doctor.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
12. I'll bet it wasn't just as a favor.... probably a threat involved
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:40 AM
Dec 2018

Since the doctor was renting space in a trump building I can envision there being a threat of losing his lease if he didn't get Tiny a draft deferment. That's just the way trumps operate.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
9. republican lies are dangerous for America
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:30 AM
Dec 2018

republican lies are dangerous for America
republican lies are dangerous for America
republican lies are dangerous for America
republican lies are dangerous for America
republican lies are dangerous for America

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
14. He got a 'Neatness and Order' medal at his military academy.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:49 AM
Dec 2018

He got a 'Neatness and Order' medal at his military academy.

medal

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
16. That had to have also been bought and/or extorted.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:27 AM
Dec 2018

That dude is the biggest slob I've ever seen. And he spreads chaos everywhere he goes.

AllyCat

(16,184 posts)
19. Well this would certainly explain how he
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:34 AM
Dec 2018

Still managed to keep working, bowling, golfing, and all his other activities even though he was too injured to serve the US

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
20. Hmmm. A comparison of his Draft Registration physical examination report
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:42 AM
Dec 2018

with Dr. Ronnie Jackson's physical examination report could be very interesting.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
22. You didn't get a physical when you registered with SSS.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:54 AM
Dec 2018

Only when it became apparent that you would be eligible for 1-A status would you be ordered to report for a physical.

Trump's medical exemption meant that he would not be called in for a physical.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. It has been 47 years since I went through this.

generalbetrayus

(507 posts)
36. You are correct.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:33 AM
Dec 2018

I registered for the draft on my 18th birthday in 1971, but I was not called in for a physical until October of 1972 for the 1973 draft in which I had drawn #5 (!) in the draft lottery in January 1972. Richard Nixon saved me from potential military service by calling off the 1973 draft call-up.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
38. I'm like Trump.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:48 AM
Dec 2018

I had a string of deferments. In my case, they were 2-S deferments, as I was in school. They were going to run out in June 1972 as soon as I was graduated. I was called in for my physical in March (maybe) 1972. That physical would determine whether my status would change to 1-A.

I passed! My 2-S deferment ran out, and I enlisted a few days later, in June 1972. The Army stopped sending draftees to Vietnam in July 1972.

IIRC, of course.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
23. Just like everything else trump claims
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:57 AM
Dec 2018

As being the truth, it's a lie, and an act by trump to promote them all. This guy can't be trusted to ever be truthful about anything. Con artist often get into this habit of lying from years of using them to promote themselves with, and to cheat people with. Everything he claims is just another trump lie and he never can back them up. He avoided the draft because he's a coward, unless he has to talk someone to death, which is all he's got, he runs from anything like conflict he personally has to be a part of for others. But he'll be first to demand others fight for him.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
26. You know
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:01 AM
Dec 2018

It was probably the sort of thing that happened a lot back then, especially among the more privileged. Opposition to the war was tremendous, but less lucky young men had to flee to Canada to avoid the draft.

Looking back, I wonder if these doctors had any idea what a profound effect their lies would have in the years to come. I'm sure young Donald was not the only guy to get such treatment, but he was the one who ended up as a dangerous president, who was a threat to the entire planet.

Then of course, there is GW Bush. The world probably would have been a far better place if these two spoiled rich kids had to face combat in their twenties like many of their less connected contemporaries.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
33. It happened with a fair amount of frequency.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:26 AM
Dec 2018

People tend to forget just how unpopular that fucking war was, back then. And what steps families were willing to take, to keep their offspring from dying for nothing. Doesn't look too good on a present-day political resume, but there you are. I had a high-enough draft number that a doctor's input wasn't needed. But I had a cousin who went over there, came back with a raging case of PTSD, and ended up blowing his brains out. All for nothing.

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
43. Yeah I don't hold it against anyone, draft dodging was the national sport at the time.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 12:32 PM
Dec 2018

Unpopular wars be unpopular.

LisaM

(27,807 posts)
47. But we're talking about people who supported the war in Vietnam ducking it.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 02:16 PM
Dec 2018

Cheney, Limbaugh, Bush, (presumably) Trump, etc. Meanwhile, equally privileged people like Al Gore and John Kerry, who DID NOT support the war, went and served.

What bothers me is that the list of GOP draft-dodgers above weren't against the Vietnam war at all.

 

geralmar

(2,138 posts)
57. A bit of personal history
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 09:05 PM
Dec 2018

In college I joined the Young Americans for Freedom, perhaps the only student group at the University of Michigan that actively supported the war. A month before my graduation I chatted with the YAF vice president who asked me my plans after college. I told him I planned to enlist in the Army and expected to be sent to Vietnam. When he blanched and his eyes got wide I asked what was wrong. He replied: "Just because we support the war doesn't mean we want to go off and fight in it."

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
45. Yes
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 02:03 PM
Dec 2018

My generation knew so many men who were severely damaged by the war and I can't really remember any friends or acquaintances who were in favor of the war. I had several friends who married tortured vets and dealt with their nightly terrors.

But then you have a screw-up like GW Bush, who was fortunately able to get out of Vietnam by joining the Texas Air National Guard, but he rarely showed up for duty and STILL publicly supported the war. Then he becomes president and just can't get enough of playing soldier with other people's children. Such deadly hypocrisy does not deserve a pass.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
46. I hope you're not suggesting that I'm giving GWB or trump a pass on their post-war activities.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 02:14 PM
Dec 2018

That cousin of mine killed himself almost 40 years ago, tearing a gigantic hole in my heart and the heart of my family. All for nothing.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
50. Oh no, of course not
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 03:33 PM
Dec 2018

Obviously, we can be opposed to that horrid senseless war and the pain it caused and still be outraged by entitled rich brats like GWB and Donald Trump. GW didn't oppose the war, he just opposed putting his own sorry ass on the line. Trump thought he could buy whatever he wanted and still does. Then he accepted a Vet's Purple Heart at a campaign rally and talked about holding a military parade.

The Vietnam era was a complex time and most things were not black and white. Right now I'm watching reruns of This is Us and I'm really having a hard time getting through the Vietnam War segments. As a woman, it is hard for me to imagine what all those young men went through as they waited for the lottery to be announced. Most of them were just kids.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
67. The Drs probably saved lives. trump would...
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:03 AM
Dec 2018

... likely have qualified to go in as an officer. (He has degrees from Fordham and Wharton by then, I think). He would likely have led men in some capacity. His narcissism and unwillingness to learn anything would surely have resulted in stupid decisions and wasted lives.

I’m wildly speculating, of course. But I really have trouble picturing him as capable of anything, let alone leading mean in combat.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
69. That's a really good point
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:43 AM
Dec 2018

Leadership is not his strong suit. What a nightmare he would have been.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
28. So, if that doctor had not lied, Trump might have been killed in action, instead of a good man, and
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:14 AM
Dec 2018

we would be saved from this nightmare.

Response to Doodley (Reply #28)

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
73. Nah; he'd have been 'in the rear; with the gear...'
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 07:27 AM
Dec 2018

His privilege would have secured a desk job pushing papers.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
31. Everything about this putrid hose-beast is a lie
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:23 AM
Dec 2018

Every. Single. Thing.

And to top it off, he whines about how much of a victim he is over the holidays.

Response to pwb (Reply #34)

Response to radical noodle (Reply #35)

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
65. That sounds like Cheney
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:23 PM
Dec 2018

I'm sure many of the young men who served in Vietnam had other priorities they had to put on the back burner.

canetoad

(17,154 posts)
42. This proves
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 12:26 PM
Dec 2018

How fucking cheap the Trumps are; Fred could have slung the podiatrist a few thousand bucks to save his golden boy but no. He traded off the bone spurs story for just doing what any responsible landlord should be doing - building repairs.

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
48. Do bone spurs go away? Would they be listed on his physical by Adm Ronny Jackson?
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 02:48 PM
Dec 2018

Do bone spurs go away?

Would they be listed on his physical by Adm Ronny Jackson?

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
49. Now if we could just find a proctologist who will label him as contagious
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 02:53 PM
Dec 2018

and implement immediate quarantine from the world........

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
52. There are so many things to call him.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 04:50 PM
Dec 2018

But let's look at how history is going to see him: worst president ever.

KWR65

(1,098 posts)
54. Yeah! Rush Limbaugh got out of the draft because of a butt cyst.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 06:44 PM
Dec 2018

MAGA by making the poor do the fighting.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
55. Too late. The time to confess this knowledge was during his campaign.
Wed Dec 26, 2018, 08:00 PM
Dec 2018

It's too late, now. Although it's interesting and confirms what most already knew: it was a fabrication to get the yella bellied draft dodger out of service.

It probably wouldn't have made any difference in the campaign, though. If the Access Hollywood tape didn't have an effect, then nothing would. Still, I'm not fond of these confessions of knowledge of fraud after the damage has been done, rather than before.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
68. Trump tried to show off his bone spur to his biographer: 'I didn't see anything'
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:34 AM
Dec 2018

SARAH K. BURRIS
26 DEC 2018 AT 23:30 ET

Writer and researcher Michael D’Antonio recalled an odd encounter with President Donald Trump when the two discussed the ticket he scored out of the Vietnam War.

Wednesday, the daughter of a podiatrist revealed that her father was asked by Fred Trump to examine his son and give him a diagnosis that would prevent him from being drafted.

. . .

The biographer then recalled a time Trump showed off his foot.

“This is the odd thing: He may have been examined,” the biographer said. “He took off his shoes and tried to show me these bone spurs. I didn’t see anything.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/trump-tried-show-off-bone-spur-biographer-didnt-see-anything/?utm_source=push_notifications

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