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brooklynite

(94,548 posts)
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:57 PM Mar 2019

White House tells Dems it won't hand over Kushner security clearance docs

Source: Politico

The top White House lawyer on Tuesday said the Trump administration will refuse to provide Congress with information about senior adviser Jared Kushner’s security clearance, slamming House Democrats for “overly intrusive document requests.”

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone said the administration would brief the House Oversight Committee about the White House’s process for granting security clearances, but he balked at the committee’s demand for information specific to Kushner, setting up a potential subpoena fight between the powerful House panel and the White House.

“These actions suggest that the Committee is not interested in proper oversight, but rather seeks information that it knows cannot be provided consistent with applicable law,” Cipollone wrote in a letter to Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings. “We will not concede the Executive's constitutional prerogatives or allow the Committee to jeopardize the individual privacy rights of current and former Executive Branch employees.”

Cummings (D-Md.) has accused the White House of stonewalling their demand for information, and last week Cummings expanded the committee’s investigation into the clearance process after The New York Times reported that President Donald Trump ordered his former chief of staff to grant Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, a full security clearance despite reservations from intelligence officials.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/05/jared-kushner-security-clearance-1204984

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White House tells Dems it won't hand over Kushner security clearance docs (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2019 OP
If White House thinks... CDerekGo Mar 2019 #1
Partly they are just trying to delay it past Nov 2020. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #6
one way or another it will be a campaign issue rurallib Mar 2019 #15
You well may be right. But, will that matter if people have had enough of Trump? olegramps Mar 2019 #24
they are Larrybanal Mar 2019 #8
Just who is going to make them behave? Jakes Progress Mar 2019 #22
Knowing the WH as I do, Iliyah Mar 2019 #2
I think you're right padah513 Mar 2019 #3
I see this.......... MyOwnPeace Mar 2019 #4
The Dems are going to have to subpoena everyone. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #5
Yeabbut, who thinks they'll honor subpoenas? nt babylonsister Mar 2019 #7
I just hope they do not let Trump and those in his administration escape once they are out office cstanleytech Mar 2019 #9
Yes!!! No More "Moving Forward" McKim Mar 2019 #13
!!!!! crazytown Mar 2019 #33
Nasty letter to follow COLGATE4 Mar 2019 #10
Same question. Different day. Why? Why? Why? Are they a bit paranoid? Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #11
Chairman Cummings Issues Statement on White House Refusal to Produce Documents and Witnesses mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #12
Total crock of poo. 2naSalit Mar 2019 #14
On a side note, who else is shaken and creeped out that so many unauthorized and compromised LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #19
See you in court, assholes. nt. BlueIdaho Mar 2019 #16
Executive Privilege. How will the SCOTUS rule? jalan48 Mar 2019 #17
I don't think that's it FBaggins Mar 2019 #18
Interesting. Are function and privilege different? jalan48 Mar 2019 #20
Subpoena. They'll produce. They're just stalling. ffr Mar 2019 #21
it's not just Kushner NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #23
I wondered how John Bolton got security clearance despite Russia earnings & honors stuffmatters Mar 2019 #28
IMO, SCOTUS wont automatically rule in tRUMPYS favor on many of the disputes needing NoMoreRepugs Mar 2019 #25
To the Trump clan, it's just a business license to sell secrets. keithbvadu2 Mar 2019 #26
The King has spoken. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #27
That's Because There Were/Are None Me. Mar 2019 #29
Well HootieMcBoob Mar 2019 #30
And....here we go. We're off to the races. Must be something good in those docs. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #31
And you know the order has been given by his assholiness to everyone on the whole japple Mar 2019 #32

CDerekGo

(507 posts)
1. If White House thinks...
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:59 PM
Mar 2019

This is all going to magically disappear, I see Supreme Court Ruling in near future. White House seems to think they 'above the law'.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
24. You well may be right. But, will that matter if people have had enough of Trump?
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:49 PM
Mar 2019

There is going to be a block of voters for Trump regardless of what he might be guilty of. The key is and has been in today's elections is the independent voters. If indeed there is such an animal. I do believe that most independents lean to the Democrats and these are the people that you have to convince to get to the polls along with increasingly importance of Black voters. I really hate identify any voter by some group and only wish to address all Americans as fellow citizens.

 

Larrybanal

(227 posts)
8. they are
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:26 PM
Mar 2019

they have a packed supreme court so good chance that is what trump wants...until they rule against him a couple times he will do what he wants

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
22. Just who is going to make them behave?
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:46 PM
Mar 2019

An SC ruling doesn't worry trump with his packed court. Senate republicans will just stall and defend. This administration is headed by a mob boss that doesn't follow the law are rules. It owns 55% of the SC, a majority of the Senate, and a gerrymandered base in the House. It is appointing judges and staffing administration positions with stooges at a breathtaking rate.

They are not worried about disobeying law. And no one is going to hold them accountable.

padah513

(2,502 posts)
3. I think you're right
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:10 PM
Mar 2019

This administration is notorious for its leakage problems. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they show up in time for the Friday news dump.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
4. I see this..........
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:12 PM
Mar 2019

as the first of MANY fights that are going to take places in courts all over the country, ultimately ending with the Supremes.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
9. I just hope they do not let Trump and those in his administration escape once they are out office
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:26 PM
Mar 2019

like what happened with Bush.
Personally I think it sets a bad standard to keep letting people like Bush, Nixon and Reagan to escape off the hook once they are out office.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
13. Yes!!! No More "Moving Forward"
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:02 PM
Mar 2019

Yes!!! Republicans got away with the wars and torture because we were “moving forward”. There were no consequences for illegal behaviors. Then they grew bolder and bolder and look where we are today!!!!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
10. Nasty letter to follow
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:39 PM
Mar 2019

Cipollone is telling Cummings to politely "go fuck yourself". Let's see what Cummings is made of.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,445 posts)
12. Chairman Cummings Issues Statement on White House Refusal to Produce Documents and Witnesses
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:50 PM
Mar 2019
Elijah E. Cummings Retweeted

NEWS ALERT: Chairman @RepCummings issues statement on the #WhiteHouse refusal to produce documents and witnesses on security clearance abuses. Read his full statement here:



Chairman Cummings Issues Statement on White House Refusal to Produce Documents and Witnesses on Security Clearance Abuses
Mar 5, 2019 Press Release

Washington, D.C. (Mar. 5, 2019)—Last night, the White House responded to the Committee’s request for information regarding security clearance abuses by again refusing to produce any of the requested documents or witnesses. Instead, the White House sent yet another letter challenging Congress’ authority to conduct oversight of this area, while offering access to broad policy documents and a briefing on general procedures. Chairman Cummings issued the following statement relating to the White House’s latest response:

“The White House appears to be arguing that Congress has no authority to examine decisions by the Executive Branch that impact our national security—even when the President’s former National Security Advisor has pleaded guilty to lying about his contacts with foreign government officials. There is a key difference between a president who exercises his authority under the Constitution and a president who overrules career experts and his top advisors to benefit his family members and then conceals his actions from the American people. The White House’s argument defies the Constitutional separation of powers, decades of precedent before this Committee, and just plain common-sense. The White House security clearance system is broken, and it needs both congressional oversight and legislative reform. I will be consulting with Members of the Committee to determine our next steps.”

{snip}

2naSalit

(86,604 posts)
14. Total crock of poo.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:05 PM
Mar 2019

there is no refusing the oversight of the WH. And since jared has taken a position in the WH that automatically means he has committed to public service which also means that he must relinquish any and all documents requested or subpoenaed by Congress, period. Public service, obviously they have no clue as to what that means or entails.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
19. On a side note, who else is shaken and creeped out that so many unauthorized and compromised
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:31 PM
Mar 2019

appointees, and of course the big orange dotard himself, has been informed of the countries most sensitive secrets? Secrets you'd be literally killed for if they told you. Secrets you cannot unknow once you know them. And that even in our most optimistic projections, and they are all kicked out, long AFTER all of that dust settles, he and his family and his criminal cronies will have a lot of top secret information they will take with them to use as they please. Sure they won't have any new information, but there is probably a hell of a lot of very sensitive and dangerous information that has been gathered for decades and decades before Trump came along, and will still be "useful" to know and leverage.

FBaggins

(26,735 posts)
18. I don't think that's it
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:30 PM
Mar 2019

I think they're arguing that security clearances are exclusively an executive function and do not derive from legislation... and thus there is no oversight power for Congress in this case.

I believe that's an unresolved issue... so perhaps we'll get to resolve it.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
23. it's not just Kushner
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:46 PM
Mar 2019

there were as many as 30 people for whom the process was overridden, from what I read.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,423 posts)
25. IMO, SCOTUS wont automatically rule in tRUMPYS favor on many of the disputes needing
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:53 PM
Mar 2019

adjudication going forward and establish precedent where a Democratic POTUS would then be able to do the same thing if he/she so chose.

keithbvadu2

(36,800 posts)
26. To the Trump clan, it's just a business license to sell secrets.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 06:04 PM
Mar 2019

To the Trump clan, it's just a business license to sell secrets.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. And....here we go. We're off to the races. Must be something good in those docs.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 06:43 PM
Mar 2019

They're saying, "Oh, yeah? Come n' get 'em."

japple

(9,824 posts)
32. And you know the order has been given by his assholiness to everyone on the whole
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 06:50 PM
Mar 2019

staff that they should spend the next week looking for dirt on Obama. Look over there...nothing to see here.

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