New York Charges Paul Manafort With 16 Crimes. If He's Convicted, Trump Can't Pardon Him.

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: New York Times



Paul J. Manafort, President Trump's former campaign chairman, has been charged in New York with mortgage fraud and more than a dozen other state felonies, the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance, Jr., said Wednesday, an effort to ensure he will still face prison time if Mr. Trump pardons him for his federal crimes.

News of the indictment came shortly after Mr. Manafort was sentenced to his second federal prison term in two weeks; he now faces a combined sentence of more than seven years for tax and bank fraud and conspiracy in two related cases brought by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

The president has broad power to issue pardons for federal crimes, but has no such authority in state cases.While Mr. Trump has not said he intends to pardon his former campaign chairman, he has often spoken of his power to pardon and has defended Mr. Manafort on a number of occasions, calling him a "brave man."

The new state charges against Mr. Manafort are contained in a 16-count indictment that alleges a yearlong scheme in which he falsified business records to obtain millions of dollars in loans, Mr. Vance said in a news release after the federal sentencing.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/manafort-indictment.html

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Note that these are STATE charges separate from what has just concluded with the sentencing for the federal charges.

[George II]

1. Boom!! I knew this was looming, but didn't expect them to file these charges this early...

Probably had the documents all teed up just waiting for the Federal cases to be closed.

There's also the possibility of New Jersey, Virginia, Florida, and possibly even Connecticut crimes that will have to be addressed.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Notice that they waited for the sentencing by Judge Jackson before releasing this info!

[George II]

15. Yes. That was very smart. They didn't want to interfere with the two cases...

...in Washington or Virginia.

Some of the 16 charges may overlap the Federal charges, so they may be thrown out, but most of them are state charges unrelated to the Federal cases - mortgage fraud, probably bank fraud, wire fraud, etc.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. I recall the discussion the state was having about changing the double-jeopardy law

and am not sure where the legislature is with that. But it could be these charges aren't overlapping because unless/until the law is changed, it would be useless to bring any charges identical to what was already charged by the feds (even those where he was acquitted).

[deurbano]

21. They must not be overlapping because I read the double jeopardy thing would still apply:

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2019/03/12/ny-lawmakers-expected-to-pass-bill-closing-double-jeopardy-loophole/
NY Lawmakers Expected to Pass Bill Closing Double Jeopardy Loophole--New York Attorney General Letitia James is expected to send a bill to the state Legislature to close the so-called double jeopardy loophole.
By Dan M. Clark | March 12, 2019

<<Lawmakers in New York have struck an agreement on legislation that would close the so-called double jeopardy loophole, a section of state law that currently precludes state prosecutors from bringing the same charges against an individual who’s received a presidential pardon of federal crimes.

New York Attorney General Letitia James, a main proponent of the legislation, confirmed the agreement in a conversation with reporters at the state capitol Tuesday, saying lawmakers are expected to pass the bill at some point over the next two to three weeks.

“We do have an agreement with both houses. We anticipate that the bill will be passed in the coming weeks,” James said. “We would urge the state Legislature to move the bill.”

The legislation would be particularly important if future associates or family members of President Donald Trump are indicted as a result of the probe by Special Counsel Robert Mueller III, which is expected to be transmitted to U.S. Attorney General William Barr sometime soon.

The law would not apply to individuals already tried and convicted, such as former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort Jr., because the so-called double jeopardy clause attaches at the start of a trial.>>

[BumRushDaShow]

23. Thank you for that update!

Wasn't sure where they were on this but apparently they fast-tracked it, regardless of anything to do with Manafort, because I know (and they know) there are others out there!

[deurbano]

27. Great minds think alike! I had looked this up not long before you posted. Go NY!

[DownriverDem]

42. Said it all along

Focus on the SDNY investigations. trump can't do a thing about them.

[BumRushDaShow]

53. In this case, it's still not SDNY, which is federal

I believe these charges are coming out of the Manhattan D.A.'s office, so it's a literal NYC thing!

[MarcoZandrini]

48. Rhode Island...

...is also looking to press charges against Paulie. He’ll die in prison.

[sprinkleeninow]

56. Go Rhodies! eom

[Leghorn21]

2. I simply could NOT be more delighted!!!!!

[onetexan]

36. There's the brave gentleman with the distinctive white beard

again. Don't recall if he was in another pic of one of former trump's minions - Manafort, Cohen or Flynn

[flibbitygiblets]

60. Definitely Flynn

He's like the Roaming Gnome of traitor court

[onetexan]

62. Thanks! i wanna know his name and friend him on FB

LOVE THIS GUY! He's like my long lost uncle

[calimary]

50. I love how the protesters got so loud and unrelenting that they drove his liar -

oops - I mean lawyer - off his spin cycle. The guy tried again to rope in a “no collusion” whine (that NEVER came up and was NEVER part of this trial or these charges). But the crowd was NOT having it. Shortstopped him and drove him away from his little impromptu press conference, and off toward his car.

That kind of thing is what still gives me hope.

[irisblue]

4. Hot Damn!!#!

[Guilded Lilly]

5. 🎶It's up to you, New York, New York🎶 Sing it everyone! n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Top of the heap!

[TruckFump]

49. More like SING, SING!

Enjoy state prison, Manafort. Makes the feddies pens look like the Hilton.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Here ya go!

[Guilded Lilly]

55. Oh yeah baby!!

[leftynyc]

6. BOOM!!!!

I love my state.

[herding cats]

7. Impeccable timing!

[CaptainTruth]

8. DAMN!!! Some really fine craft brew is in order this evening.

[world wide wally]

9. Just as Manafort started thinking, "I can do 7 years standing on my head"

[SergeStorms]

61. Probably four....

with "good behavior". He got off entirely too lightly. That might make it less likely that the orange dip-shit will pardon him though.

[wishstar]

10. No point in a Trump pardon now because Fed Prison would be nicer than NY State Prison

Not sure that NY can proceed with a trial while Manafort is in prison. So if they can only proceed to trial, conviction and sentencing if he's out of Fed prison, Manafort might prefer staying in Fed instead of ending up in State penitentiary.

[jmowreader]

13. They sure can

And when he’s convicted, the feds hand the prisoner over to the state at the end of his sentence.

[GWC58]

47. When Manafort's federal time is up

NY will, in all likelihood, place a detainer on Manafort. When he’s released NY authorities will be there, ready to exchange wrist bracelets with federal authorities. Manafort is so fucked! 👍🏻

[mobeau69]

14. The Fed facility would be like club med in comparison.

[safeinOhio]

16. Best of all,

he could spend a year or more in county lock up waiting for the State to convict.

[erlewyne]

34. County lockup, been there but just for a few DAYS!

I steel bunk - thin matt - no springs or mesh. Ninety degrees outside and no
air conditioning. Treated like a low-life. A day is a lifetime. When you
start talking about years - WOW.

[George II]

17. Yes:

[edbermac]

11. Never rains but it pours.

[onetexan]

20. teehee

state of NY will make sure this crook will not be let out of prison, hopefully for the rest of his earthly life.

[old guy]

12. I'm not going to get excited.

I've seen this movie before. He skated on the last two sentences and until something different happens there will be no reason for me to expect a different outcome. My cynicism knows no bounds.

[certainot]

37. i'm with you, generally. if the trial on the state stuff isn't over and he gets released on pardon

he could disappear right away and end up in russia, etc

that his lawyer immediately AGAIN says no collusion even though jackson says it wasn't about collusion means they were talking/working for trump.

manafort was smart enough to make sure the serious collusion stuff between he and trump was private without don jr, or bannon, or even gates. manafort's pardon is about stuff manafort is confident no one else was directly involved in so pardon could also involve payment, free legal, we won't blow up your family, etc.

and then there is the jury pool trump and limbaugh have been peeing and crapping in for 2 years, which already produced one hung jury

and then there are other republican judges like ellis who can be partisan, intimidated, and or bought

[Sherman A1]

59. Same here

yet, it is still far better than noting.

[jayschool2013]

18. "An otherwise blameless life"

[tclambert]

69. I think you might want to blame him.

Yeah, I'm definitely detecting some blame in the air. Also, some blameability.

[SayItLoud]

22. The men who basked in chants of lock her up are one by one being locked up themselves. (written by)

Jason Easley/Politicus USA

[C Moon]

24. Thanks for all the clarification here, on DU! nt

[ejbr]

25. Do we know

How much potential time he faces on these state charges?

[mobeau69]

26. Someone on CNN said potentially 65 years.

[ejbr]

28. Ah... thank you n/t

[mobeau69]

29. Don't know how much time off he could get for good behavior.

[ejbr]

31. Not to be morbid,

But he wouldn’t outlive his time in custody even WITH good behavior if given that amount of time. Oh well

[mobeau69]

40. I was joking!

[FiveGoodMen]

45. So, probably 65 months

[Lonestarblue]

30. Messgae to Trump: your kids are next!

I hope NYS throws the book at Trump and his progeny. And it is delightful to know that he can’t pardon their way out of state crimes if convicted!

[Funtatlaguy]

32. If only. I would dance in the streets.

[Nitram]

33. YES!

[montanacowboy]

35. Hey Paulie Walnuts

can you spell Attica?
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[onetexan]

63. is Attica where they're sending him to? i thought federal prisons were more like hotels - club fed

[SWBTATTReg]

38. Aren't finanacial crimes in NY state harsher then federal law? I seem to recall after the ...

the financial and housing market collapse of 2008, NY state beefed up it's laws with regard to this area...

[ProudMNDemocrat]

39. Yo Paulie!!!!!

You ready to spend the rest of your wretched life behind bars?

[sprinkleeninow]

57. Hay Paulie: BA-bamm! n/t

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

41. Bwahahahaha!!!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Ok..now start working on MF45 indictments! Bet there are at least three times more counts

[GulfCoast66]

46. A shiver of fear went through Trump when he read this news.

[red dog 1]

51. Take THAT, Donnie boy!

K&R

[mercuryblues]

52. Is this part of

his otherwise blameless life?

[sprinkleeninow]

58. 🙊🙈🙉 🤣

[treestar]

68. +1

[littlemissmartypants]

64. HAPPY BIRTHDAY ! ¡ nt

:Grumble70Grumble:

Emoji Here^

[ecstatic]

65. Good. He, like trump, is a career criminal. I don't care that he's 70.

He should have been locked up long ago considering what us regular folks get locked up for.

[Judi Lynn]

66. He should have worn his good luck ostrich jacket today! n/t

[littlemissmartypants]

67. Bookmarking. nt

[Cha]

70. Good news/Very BAD news!

Mahalo, BRDS!

[Marcuse]

71. Actually, medical care will be adequate as well.