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UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:33 AM May 2019

Fed's Brainard says income inequality may be hampering U.S. economy

Source: Marketwatch

Rising inequality could be a factor behind sluggish growth in the U.S. economy in the wake of the financial crisis, said Federal Reserve Governor Lael Brainard on Friday.

Consumer spending remains the main engine of growth in the U.S. and data show that the recovery in consumer spending after the crisis has been slower than would have been expected given the recovery in aggregate household income and net worth, Brainard said, in a speech at a Fed conference on community development.

“Rising inequality is one plausible explanation” for this trend, she said.

Research shows households with lower levels of wealth spend a larger fraction of any income gains than households with higher levels of wealth, Brainard said.

“Consequently, an economy that delivers and increasing share of income gains to high-wealth households could result in less growth in consumer demand than one in which the gains are distributed more equally,” Brainard said.


Read more: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/feds-brainard-says-income-inequality-may-be-hampering-us-economy-2019-05-10?mod=mw_latestnews



Interesting that someone finally has said we have a sluggish economy
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Fed's Brainard says income inequality may be hampering U.S. economy (Original Post) UpInArms May 2019 OP
I've been saying this for 10 years. Nt BootinUp May 2019 #1
Me too, almost as long. Rich park money. Working class spend money. Money in motion fuels economy.nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #4
Money is like blood. If it moves, the body is oxygenated and energized... DemocracyMouse May 2019 #15
I would be profoundly disappointed... PETRUS May 2019 #19
Absolutely. These levels of inequality unsustainable. End peacefully (US 19th c) or 1789/1917. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #22
That's why I suggested a biological metaphor for the circulation of money in the system. DemocracyMouse May 2019 #36
Yes. I thought we might be on the same page. PETRUS May 2019 #40
Ya think? Notice they never try a working class only tax cut. Trickle up economics works and brewens May 2019 #2
Trickle up? It's more like a geyser up! It's money really in motion. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #7
How about raise the minimum wage on a the federal level? Yavin4 May 2019 #18
As Republicons love to say "A rising tide lifts all boats" even though it was JFK who said it. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #23
Well no shit!!! cstanleytech May 2019 #3
NO!!! hatrack May 2019 #5
1...2...3...well duhhh. maddogesq May 2019 #6
They know this not fooled May 2019 #8
gee, there's a lightning bolt ProfessorPlum May 2019 #9
"We all do better when we all do better" - Paul Wellstone William Seger May 2019 #10
Aw. Wish he were still here. Blue_playwright May 2019 #14
it will destroy the economy & the country. nt yaesu May 2019 #11
They love to publish how many millionaires are created... Wounded Bear May 2019 #12
Ya think? BeyondGeography May 2019 #13
Thus based upon this finding, an easy way to pump the economy is to give everyone ... SWBTATTReg May 2019 #16
This is the kind of genius that lands you those big positions at the Fed. Yavin4 May 2019 #17
I don't know how most families are making it Marthe48 May 2019 #20
Rent is $1000 a bedroom in my area. Starter homes are over $300K. CrispyQ May 2019 #21
To start, they likely don't live in your area. House of Roberts May 2019 #24
young folk have it SOOOOO much harder than when I was young Skittles May 2019 #26
It is called inflation at140 May 2019 #28
it is WAY more than inflation Skittles May 2019 #29
It is just too easy to get student loans at140 May 2019 #30
And don't even get me started on healthcare at140 May 2019 #32
I am just curious but Skittles May 2019 #33
Was working full time in a stressful at140 May 2019 #35
makes sense Skittles May 2019 #38
Yes, same here and it seems like there was always enough yonder May 2019 #34
"Take this Job and Ship It" by Byron Dorgan a past senator from ND, I believe. CrispyQ May 2019 #39
I didn't do it on a minimum wage job. I did it with a part time UNION job. CrispyQ May 2019 #37
oh YA THINK??? Skittles May 2019 #25
Economic intelligence. democratisphere May 2019 #27
oh well THERE'S a News Flash! shanny May 2019 #31
I think the appropriate response MurrayDelph May 2019 #41

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
15. Money is like blood. If it moves, the body is oxygenated and energized...
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:41 AM
May 2019

And if it stops moving, it clots and kills the organism.

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
19. I would be profoundly disappointed...
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:52 PM
May 2019

...if inequality was only addressed as part of an effort to boost economic growth. Inequality is a problem, full stop (i.e., whether or not it has an impact on growth), and we need to deal with it. But growth is also a problem, and we need to deal with that as well.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
36. That's why I suggested a biological metaphor for the circulation of money in the system.
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:16 PM
May 2019

Our goal should NOT be growth, which is killing the planet like a cancer. It should be global health and well-being. Thus, spend less on the unnecessary and wasteful (5 second homes for the rich), and more on the mninimum necessary for well-being (a middle class-for-all paradigm. Some competition is good, and a spread of means is inevitable, but EXTREME wealth disparities is killing us.

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
40. Yes. I thought we might be on the same page.
Sat May 11, 2019, 05:54 PM
May 2019

Frankly, we've already consumed enough resources and generated enough waste that a contraction is inevitable. Continuing to pursue economic expansion isn't going to change that, it will only make it worse. We could choose de-growth deliberately and lessen the impact at least somewhat, but I don't see that happening. Capitalism requires growth. Taking on inequality is a steep enough uphill struggle against powerful opposition, let alone taking on capitalism itself.

brewens

(13,582 posts)
2. Ya think? Notice they never try a working class only tax cut. Trickle up economics works and
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:51 AM
May 2019

everyone knows it. But it narrows the income gap and that is unacceptable to those at the top.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
18. How about raise the minimum wage on a the federal level?
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:34 PM
May 2019

Pay Americans more money so that they can buy more things and not live paycheck to paycheck.

maddogesq

(1,245 posts)
6. 1...2...3...well duhhh.
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:34 AM
May 2019

We’ve known about this problem for years now. As said above, I am glad someone in the money world has the guts to say it.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
8. They know this
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:22 AM
May 2019

their problem is trying to jerry-rig the economy to produce growth without putting money in the hands of anyone except the wealthy.

ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
9. gee, there's a lightning bolt
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:42 AM
May 2019

Give the people who will spend it the money instead of the people who hoard it. Money flows, economy picks up. Simple Keynesian economics.

this is so obvious that the alternate method (give $ only to people who won't spend it) was appropriately dubbed "voodoo economics" by G. H. W. Bush those many years ago.

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
12. They love to publish how many millionaires are created...
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:17 AM
May 2019

they tend to ignore how many people drop out of the bottom of the middle class into poverty.

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
13. Ya think?
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:23 AM
May 2019

Next thing you know, they’ll be talking about runaway housing, health care and education costs.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
16. Thus based upon this finding, an easy way to pump the economy is to give everyone ...
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:26 PM
May 2019

(99% of us) a chunk of money and increase taxes on the top 1% to pay for it...make ALL of us pay for it, including those companies that somehow get away without paying a dime in taxes (Amazon, etc.).

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
17. This is the kind of genius that lands you those big positions at the Fed.
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:33 PM
May 2019

Gee, people don't have enough money to spend. Maybe that's why the economy is so sluggish. Brilliant!!!

Give that man the Noble prize!!!

Marthe48

(16,949 posts)
20. I don't know how most families are making it
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:52 PM
May 2019

Everything costs so much. When you have housing costs, a car payment, insurance, taxes at all levels, plus school tuition if you opt for a non-public school, groceries and medicine, how is there anything left? People are passing things along, sharing, buying used, just to save a few cents.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
21. Rent is $1000 a bedroom in my area. Starter homes are over $300K.
Fri May 10, 2019, 01:19 PM
May 2019
I don't know how young people are doing it.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
26. young folk have it SOOOOO much harder than when I was young
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:09 PM
May 2019

I remember working a minimum wage job, living in a cheap apartment, buying a used car and taking college classes, all without going into big debt......no WAY could a young person do that now

at140

(6,110 posts)
28. It is called inflation
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:17 PM
May 2019

Caused by excess money supply. Inflation helps large stock holders and the top 2% make bigger profits but kills the middle class ordinary working folks. Those $Trillion+ yearly deficits are accelerating wealth transfer from middle class to the Uber rich.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
29. it is WAY more than inflation
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:22 PM
May 2019

the way they are saddling people trying to get an education with HUGE debt, the way paychecks have NOT kept up, the gig economy very often with inadequate pay and no benefits, the expectation that they need to fund ALL of their retirement, the extreme increase in medical and dental costs.....everything is truly screwed up now

at140

(6,110 posts)
30. It is just too easy to get student loans
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:34 PM
May 2019

When my daughter was in law school, she had friends in law school using student loans to buy cars and go on vacations. Students don't need any equity to back up loans. The college's can jack up the fees knowing students can get easy loans.

The artificial low interest rates (lower than real inflation rate we live with) is the reason for bubbles in hard assets like stocks & houses.

at140

(6,110 posts)
32. And don't even get me started on healthcare
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:42 PM
May 2019

Costs! At age 57 I had high blood pressure, chest pains after eating a good meal, hip joint pain, fainting spells at job, and was border line diabetic.

So I resigned from the job, simplified my life, moved to a cheaper cost of living area and began exercise routine. Now at age 79, no more high blood pressure, no more hip joint pain, no longer border line diabetic, and off all medications! I signed up with Humana HMO Medicare advantage plan which costs nothing in premiums and actually
pays me $55/every month to stay on the plan!

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
33. I am just curious but
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:56 PM
May 2019

why did you wait until you were very ill to start exercising? I always wonder about that.

at140

(6,110 posts)
35. Was working full time in a stressful
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:00 PM
May 2019

Job, needed the money to raise family. Left me little time or energy for exercise. And it is very hard to give up a well paying job. But I saw only options were drop dead or give up the money and live a bit longer.

yonder

(9,664 posts)
34. Yes, same here and it seems like there was always enough
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:00 PM
May 2019

to sock away and/or spend on non-necessities. Minimum wage in 1970 was what, like $1.45/hour maybe $1.90? I had a friend who was making $4.00/hour back then - we considered him rich.

The one site I looked at said $10.00 in 1970 was worth $66.64 in 2019 dollars. I don't think the working women and men of this country, the consumers and producers, the folks who sweat and freeze in often dangerous jobs, the very people who keep our system going, are keeping up.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
39. "Take this Job and Ship It" by Byron Dorgan a past senator from ND, I believe.
Sat May 11, 2019, 12:40 PM
May 2019

This book is really old, 2004, I think, but the one stat I remember he mentioned is that if minimum wage had kept up with CEO pay since 1990, it would be approximately $23 an hour. That was back then. Wonder what it would be now?

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
37. I didn't do it on a minimum wage job. I did it with a part time UNION job.
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:53 PM
May 2019

I put myself through college with a good paying part time union job. If you were born in/after 1980, all you've ever heard is that unions are bad. If you punch a time clock, or even if you don't, but your salary is the majority of your household income, then you are labor. My engineer friends don't want to be categorized with labor, but they are.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
31. oh well THERE'S a News Flash!
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:35 PM
May 2019

"Research shows"? Eff me. Our overlords are pretty fucking stoopid, end of story.

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